[FairfieldLife] Male FFL'ers and CC?

2007-07-24 Thread cardemaister
Adam Sandler apparently (not-alltogether-jokingly?) missing his praeputium on Conan inspired this question: What percentage of (male) FFL'ers, in your estimate, has lost a sensitive part (IMO, almost as sensitive as lips) of there lingam? :/

[FairfieldLife] "Enlightenment" as moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" wrote: > > > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person > > only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside > > Mae West's head? > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread sinhlnx
--Right - a Chinese box! In the movie "1408" the character nears the end of his horror story 1 hour in an apartment that becomes alive but a living Hell; and on several occasions, he thinks he's out of the apt, but it's only another delusion. Finally, he "really" comes out of the Hellish apt t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > The question is, "How is doing 'the work,' Byron Katie- > > > style, *not* fraught with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" wrote: > > > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person > > only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside Mae > > West's head? >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > I feel pity for those who haven't experienced this, but > > I can't look down on them, nor do I think that Rory indicated this in > > any way. I see him as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" wrote: > > > > > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person > > > only "think"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" wrote: > > I am recommending that one be aware of where the criticism is coming > > from -- that one place attention on the core expectations behind the > > criticisms, and thereby to discover the illusory and projective > > nature of one's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" wrote: > > > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person > > only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside Mae > > West's head? >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > "Do you feel all perception and cognition (in > > > the mundane sense) are projecti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person > only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside Mae > West's head? > > http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item203 > > Or, Jim, you were fortun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I feel pity for those who haven't experienced this, but > I can't look down on them, nor do I think that Rory indicated this in > any way. I see him as a completely humble spiritual practitionar, who > is far beyond me. Jes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:38 PM, yifuxero wrote: > > > ---Below: Rory says suffering has no objective reality. True, but > > irrelevant in terms of the actions that may be required to offset the > > suffering. The proposed re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person > only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside Mae > West's head? > > http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item203 > > Or, Jim, you were fortun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > "Do you feel all perception and cognition (in > > the mundane sense) are projection?" > > Now, try expressing all that you have pondered and answered as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person > only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside Mae > West's head? Some time ago, and periodically, I "consider" that we are all living in K

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Me: I have been enjoying lurking I have been thinking something about > how you write that I would like to run by you Rory. I think you are > using language that very carefully does separate you from the per

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to Richistan, USA

2007-07-24 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/24/07 9:28:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I am saying as an example that the Iraq war billions could have > provided education or better highways or housing for the homeless. > Instead we just blow stuff up with it so that the defense co

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OTOH my current understanding of moodmaking is in no way > condemnatory, as all the states of consciousness look much like moods > to me. From where I stand, we have a choice as to our primary "mood" > or "frequenc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > The question is, "How is doing 'the work,' Byron Katie- > > style, *not* fraught with addictive pain?" It seems to > > me that what Rory describes above is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread sinhlnx
---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside Mae West's head? http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item203 Or, Jim, you were fortunate in realizing you were in a cage. So I guess the people living in the cage but don't k

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Whether an asshole actually exists or not is impossible for me to > say. Actually a nice analogy (for satsang on the south side). Like a donut (from Krispy Creme), is there a donut hole?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---the people you mention - living in cages. They should practice TM > regularly and buy all the CD's & DVD's relating to Ramana Maharshi > from http://www.arunachala.org > What do you suggestsome type of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Its funny to see some here twisting themselves this way and > th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but I do have a certain > confidence that everyone else is just like me, doing the best they can > with the weird mix of genetics and circumstances that brought us to > where we are in our lives. Yes. I find tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Do you feel all perception and cognition (in > the mundane sense) are projection?" Now, try expressing all that you have pondered and answered as if everyone else is truly YOU, not projected from you but actually YOU.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So thanks for not seeing it as Rory bashing. A bashed Rory is as Perfect as an unabashed Rory.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > > Its funny to see some here twisting themselves this way and that, > > with elaborate explanations and such strident voices that keep them >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:38 PM, yifuxero wrote: > > > ---Below: Rory says suffering has no objective reality. True, but > > irrelevant in terms of the actions that may be required to offset the > > suffering. The proposed rem

[FairfieldLife] Godchecker.com adds mystical numbers to its services.

2007-07-24 Thread tertonzeno
--- http://www.godchecker.com/offerings/index.php?article-numbers I'm assuming godchecker.com is already on your list of indispensable sites. Especially if you're looking for some new to pray to. -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to Richistan, USA

2007-07-24 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/24/07 6:30:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Do you think we had quality public education before the war in > >> Iraq...after all, we were spending 100s of billions of dollars on >> public education... >> >>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Its funny to see some here twisting themselves this way and that, > with elaborate explanations and such strident voices that keep them > from being free. Holding on to the bars of their cages as one poster > sa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my life the people who I give the credit for be the most actualized > in their personalities are the people who draw out the best from > everyone around them. They don't radiate that they are "higher" but >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think the point is that when you've lost your > attachment to your ego, you don't go around > setting standards and comparing yourself to others, > nor do you care if someone thinks you're lower on > the totem po

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus Christ speaks of the living waters..bliss consciousness!

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jesus (addressing the Samarian woman at the well) answered and said > unto her, "Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again, > > ...but, whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never > thirs

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "> I suspect he'd be willing to rewrite it as: > > > > If you lose your attachment to/identification with > > your own personality, you can afford to be non-equal. > > > > I think he makes a good point that i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > The question is, "How is doing 'the work,' Byron Katie- > > style, *not* fraught with addictive pain?" It seems to > > me that what Rory describes above is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread matrixmonitor
---the people you mention - living in cages. They should practice TM regularly and buy all the CD's & DVD's relating to Ramana Maharshi from http://www.arunachala.org What do you suggestsome type of mood-making to grok "I'm out of the cage, out of the cage, out of the cage."? i.e. a r

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread curtisdeltablues
"> I suspect he'd be willing to rewrite it as: > > If you lose your attachment to/identification with > your own personality, you can afford to be non-equal. > > I think he makes a good point that insistence on > equality can mean not just humble unwillingness > to give oneself a higher status, b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > I don't view the ego in the way you seem to be using it and > > losing my personality is not a goal for me. > > As I understand it, enlighte

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > I don't view the ego in the way you seem to be using it and >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to Richistan, USA

2007-07-24 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/24/07 6:30:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think we had quality public education before the war in > Iraq...after all, we were spending 100s of billions of dollars on > public education... > > What I am saying as an example that the Ir

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to Richistan, USA

2007-07-24 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> shempmcgurk wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >>> >>> Where Shemp "dreams" to live. "America's super-rich have returned to the days

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > I don't view the ego in the way you seem to be using it and > > losing my personality is not a goal for me. > > As I understand it, enlighten

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (BTW nuts are actually very hard to kick so their use in > fights is really overrated!) Tell that to Bobby Hill! http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gp1JPPFVWIw

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't view the ego in the way you seem to be using it and > losing my personality is not a goal for me. As I understand it, enlightenment doesn't mean "losing" one's personality, only the attachment to and id

[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to Richistan, USA

2007-07-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > shempmcgurk wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> Where Shemp "dreams" to live. > >> > >> "America's super-rich have returned to the days of the Roaring > >> > > Twenties. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for taking the time to respond in detail. I think you have brought out some very good points about our different world views. I do agree with your point about people's differences concerning talents, intelligence and skills. You have correctly noted that I do not recognize the same meanin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Vaj
On Jul 24, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Vaj wrote: the "two truths" I'm sorry (someone nudged me offlist). The "two truths" are the relative (truth) and the absolute (truth). Thanks Kala. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Hillary Kicks Brass'

2007-07-24 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/22/07 10:47:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She didn't vote "for the war." She voted to authorize Bush to use force only if diplomacy was unsuccessful. Bush, of course, never had any intention of using diplomacy. The war was a done deal long bef

[FairfieldLife] Jesus Christ speaks of the living waters..bliss consciousness!

2007-07-24 Thread BillyG.
Jesus (addressing the Samarian woman at the well) answered and said unto her, "Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again, ...but, whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst, the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water (bliss,anandam) spri

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to Richistan, USA

2007-07-24 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/24/07 2:47:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quality public education even for college should be free. We could easily have that and money left over if we didn't waste money on that stupid war in Iraq which is only done to profit Bush's buddie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Are you willing to actually see me as an equal? Completely equal? Not in some cosmic perspective way that you unequally comprehend, but brother to brother? " Here my opinion: We are not equal. I think what you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Vaj
On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:38 PM, yifuxero wrote: ---Below: Rory says suffering has no objective reality. True, but irrelevant in terms of the actions that may be required to offset the suffering. The proposed remedies - whatever they are - also have no objective reality, so we are back to square on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have actually written, on this forum and on others, > several times now, of one of the things I do almost > religiously with my posts. Once a month or so, I go > through all of them and reread them as if the person > I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush appoints himself dictator in case of catastrophic event

2007-07-24 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to Richistan, USA

2007-07-24 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Where Shemp "dreams" to live. >> >> "America's super-rich have returned to the days of the Roaring >> > Twenties. > >> As the rest of the country struggles to get by, >> > "struggle

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread yifuxero
---Below: Rory says suffering has no objective reality. True, but irrelevant in terms of the actions that may be required to offset the suffering. The proposed remedies - whatever they are - also have no objective reality, so we are back to square one. Thus, if some home invaders are attacki

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for responding Turq. Pinning it all on Rory isn't > completely fair since it is a quality in many posts as you > mention. I had a nice little self-reflection on whether > or not I was using my own se

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for responding Turq. Pinning it all on Rory isn't completely fair since it is a quality in many posts as you mention. I had a nice little self-reflection on whether or not I was using my own self admitted "commonness" in the same way! It is an imposition of my own values onto someone else

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 12:09 PM, t3rinity wrote: > > > I suggest to investigate terms from spiritual path within their own > > respective philosophies and not a hotchpotch of new age ideas. > > > I couldn't agree more, but

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What you say about Rory's use of language as a ranking > device certainly strikes a resonance with me, but now > that you've brought it up, I can see it in many others > as well. And yes, occasionally in myself. Rarely i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread qntmpkt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> In the above example, Rory is embracing absolute POV 'criticizing > is > > projecting our own inner pain on others' and therefore taking an > > extreme POV, r

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread qntmpkt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> In the above example, Rory is embracing absolute POV 'criticizing > is > > projecting our own inner pain on others' and therefore taking an > > extreme POV, r

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eating Slaumers

2007-07-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, wait. Did I say "slaumer?" > > I meant "apple." > > Why didn't you know I was describing an apple until now? > > Okay, next subject: I had a spiritual experience this morning, > and I want to describe it fo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Rory: > > > "Right, you didn't offer me that marvelous image to play with > > > -- but you *did* (in my reality anyhow) offer me your pain, >

[FairfieldLife] Eating Slaumers

2007-07-24 Thread Duveyoung
This morning I had a tasty treat -- I ate a slaumer. It was surprisingly juicy, had a yellow and rose colored thin outer skin, quite sweet but not overwhelmingly sweet like some fruits can be, crispy and crunchy flesh. I've seen this fruit before in other colors too -- all yellow, all green, all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread jim_flanegin
Are you sure you are talking about *Judy* here? because what I am hearing is you talking to yourself Barry, all the way down. Has nothing to do with Judy, except as a device for your own distraction.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your *stories

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rory: > > "Right, you didn't offer me that marvelous image to play with > > -- but you *did* (in my reality anyhow) offer me your pain, > > which was all I really wanted. To whatever degree You and I > > are

[FairfieldLife] VIDEO: The Bush Liars Lying on Tape

2007-07-24 Thread do.rflex
Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Powell shown lying to the American people and to the world Watch them lie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3slsCBqrQfk&mode=related&search=

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Vaj
On Jul 24, 2007, at 12:09 PM, t3rinity wrote: I suggest to investigate terms from spiritual path within their own respective philosophies and not a hotchpotch of new age ideas. I couldn't agree more, but then of course I get called a "traditionalist". Not just advaita vedanta uses mahav

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread curtisdeltablues
Rory: "Right, you didn't offer me that marvelous image to play with -- but you *did* (in my reality anyhow) offer me your pain, which was all I really wanted. To whatever degree You and I are separate, my heartfelt thanks to You :-)" Me: I have been enjoying lurking I have been thinking something

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 9:23 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > If you want to use paradox as a vehicle, > > > try running through a couple hundred mahavakyas you don't already >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush appoints himself dictator in case of catastrophic event

2007-07-24 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > HEY AMERICANS - ARE YOU WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING TO YOUR COUNTRY ??? > > > > Bush Anoints Himself as the Insurer of Constitutional Government in >

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'MIC Threatens Hillary'

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/24/07 8:39:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Are you just > > hoping nobody here reads the newspapers? > > > > No, just one or two that don't spin left. > > "Spin left" be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > I'm chuckling, remembering when you suggested the > > Byron Katie approach to me some time back, and I > > rejected it on similar grounds to what Barry's >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'MIC Threatens Hillary'

2007-07-24 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/24/07 8:39:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you just > hoping nobody here reads the newspapers? > > No, just one or two that don't spin left. "Spin left" being defined as anything that doesn't follow the hard right-wing line. Unfortunatel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Question, short form: Is Katie's "the work," whether > > > valuable or not, just

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'MIC Threatens Hillary'

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/22/07 11:29:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Are you just > hoping nobody here reads the newspapers? > > No, just one or two that don't spin left. "Spin left" being define

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Question, short form: Is Katie's "the work," whether > > > valuable or not, just another form of moodmaking? "Rory Goff" wrote: > > Answer, short form: No. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush appoints himself dictator in case of catastrophic event

2007-07-24 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > HEY AMERICANS - ARE YOU WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING TO YOUR COUNTRY ??? > > Bush Anoints Himself as the Insurer of Constitutional Government in > Emergency > Matthew Rothschild > The Progressive, May 18, 2007 > http:/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > Question, short form: Is Katie's "the work," whether > > valuable or not, just another form of moodmaking? > > Answer, short form: No. > > > I don't kno

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: > The desire in this case is to have no expectations > of others in terms of their behavior, and to see > them as other aspects of one's Self, > > We Buddhists... > "We" Buddhists? Do Buddhists believe in a "Self"? > ...might have compassion for the poor, drugged- > out guy,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In the above example, Rory is embracing absolute POV 'criticizing is > projecting our own inner pain on others' and therefore taking an > extreme POV, rather than embracing the paradox: all is one and > assholes still ex

[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with the awakened Kundalini

2007-07-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ron, I'm really not trying to argue with you or "accuse" > you of anything -- that's how you're reacting. I merely > presented a different way of looking at your experience. > > That you respond to that different way o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Vaj
On Jul 24, 2007, at 9:23 AM, t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to use paradox as a vehicle, > try running through a couple hundred mahavakyas you don't already > know an answer to or have discursive ideas about. Sorry Vaj, there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question is, "How is doing 'the work,' Byron Katie- > style, *not* fraught with addictive pain?" It seems to > me that what Rory describes above is very much a form > of moodmaking -- starting with the assumption tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to use paradox as a vehicle, > try running through a couple hundred mahavakyas you don't already > know an answer to or have discursive ideas about. Sorry Vaj, there are only 4 mahavakyas, all else are just vak

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it necessary to tread the Kundalalini path for Realization

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" wrote: > a position that is fraught with > > addictive pain. > > > Hi Rory, so are you using the expression "addictive pain" because we > find it easier to rec

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it necessary to tread the Kundalalini path for Realization

2007-07-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --Right, but Byron Katie is a Neo-Advaitin, and if we go too far into > that realm, there's no karma, no people, no suffering (in fact, > nothing!). Has that been your experience with her Inquiry? It certainl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'MIC Threatens Hillary'

2007-07-24 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/22/07 11:29:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you just hoping nobody here reads the newspapers? No, just one or two that don't spin left. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread Vaj
On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > FWIW I still support my original premise: If we criticise another > > (particularly if the other isn't even present, and we're > > criticising them to a 3rd party), we generally *are* coming from > > a place of pain (hurt/anger), whether or not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread billy jim
We buddhists? What is this about? empty TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --Right, but Byron Katie is a Neo-Advaitin, and if we go too > far into that realm, there's no karma, no people, no s

[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with the awakened Kundalini

2007-07-24 Thread TurquoiseB
Ron, I'm really not trying to argue with you or "accuse" you of anything -- that's how you're reacting. I merely presented a different way of looking at your experience. That you respond to that different way of seeing things as an accusation says more, IMO, than the experiences. More below, *aga

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Samadhi by Shr Chinmoy'

2007-07-24 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i wonder if it is fair or accurate to translate > the language of Sri Chinmoy using Maharishi's language of > his Seven States of Consciousness? > > could it be, that "savikalpa samadhi" is TC (transcendental

[FairfieldLife] Re: Response to Alex's Kundalini symptoms

2007-07-24 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tanmay: How much time do I get before I turn into a pumkin? If and when you get a proper job and focus instead of fooling around on the internet you will be ok. Fear no pumpkin :-)

[FairfieldLife] 'Walking the Faith Line with Eboo Patel'

2007-07-24 Thread Robert Gimbel
uthors Walking the Faith Line with Eboo Patel Talk of the Nation, July 19, 2007 ยท Author Eboo Patel talks about the hate and rejection he sees in many young religious extremists, and why ignoring the faith line that divides us comes at a huge price

[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with the awakened Kundalini

2007-07-24 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote: > > > > Note I am not being a parakeet when I tell you that my > > experience is it is moving me faster to enlightenment. > > Let me put it this way, I feel this ver

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

2007-07-24 Thread george_deforest
> TurquoiseB wrote: > > I'm interested in hearing the fans of advaita (neo- or not) > or Byron Katie explain to me why what seems like a > contradiction to me isn't one. > > The desire in this case is to have no expectations of > others in terms of their behavior, and to see them as > other asp

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