[FairfieldLife] International Herald Tribune article

2008-02-11 Thread george_deforest
International Herald Tribune The Maharishi, meditation master to the West, cremated in India The Associated Press Monday, February 11, 2008 http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/11/news/India-Maharishi.php ALLAHABAD, India: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the iconic guru who sought to blend Eastern spir

[FairfieldLife] Re: February 11, 2008

2008-02-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Marek Reavis > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:35 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: February 1

[FairfieldLife] Tens of thousands attend Maharishi's funeral

2008-02-11 Thread Robert
>From Times Online February 11, 2008 Tens of thousands attend Maharishi's funeral /* Global variables that are used for "image browsing". Used on article pages to rotate the images of a story. */ var sImageBrowserImagePath = ''; var aArticleImages = new Array(); var aImag

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread bwaytheatrediva
Yes it was. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of bwaytheatrediva > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:04 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLif

[FairfieldLife] 2 reports from people in India for MMY's rites

2008-02-11 Thread Rick Archer
Procession & cremation today. Only men at the rites but women were able to watch it (sort of) on large TV screen but lighting was poor in the room so you had to strain to see, plus we were all packed in like sardines. We went over early in the morning to view Maharishi one last time. We've had many

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The siddhis sutras aren't mantras; they're *intentions* > > expressed verbally. The semantic meanings are crucial. > > They're for a whole different purpose; you aren't using > > them to transcend. Apples and

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group I spent my unpleasant school days dreaming up a whole entire different world. I wa

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise What was my point? I am changing professions. I am becoming a middle school teacher. T

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bwaytheatrediva Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group School is a lot more than just reading and writing. I learned to write in 1st gr

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ruth, ignore geezerfreak. He just made a couple of > big bloopers and is trying to take his frustration > and embarrassment out on me. P.S.: DON'T ignore him when he says to keep posting!

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: February 11, 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marek Reavis Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: February 11, 2008 Edg, when I was in my tapas stage and living outside of Philadelphia I'd turn the

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > (As a courtesy to the TBs, I removed my sarcasm that was > > > inserted here. For some reason, I am rapidly losing my > > > openmindedness) > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting link about Maharishi's childhood and birthplace

2008-02-11 Thread at_man_and_brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://premendra.indiainteracts.com/2008/02/11/maharishi-mahesh-yogi- > was-born-in-chhattisgarh-not-jabalpur/ > I don't know who the author is, but he or she contradicts Rajneesh, who claimed that Maharishi was born

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (As a courtesy to the TBs, I removed my sarcasm that was inserted > > here. For some reason, I am rapidly losing my openmindedness) > > I have to say (well, no, I don't have to, but I'm > gonna), your thinking on th

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" > > wrote: > > Your arguments in this thread are quite weak. IMO of course. > > > > To say th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting link about Maharishi's childhood and birthplace

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you use the rich text editor on the post page, you don't > need to use tinyurl: But if someone tries to forward it in an email, it can get screwed up. Different email programs handle URLs differently.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" > wrote: > > > > > I didn't say that. I haven't discussed > the advanced techniques at all. Two strikes. > > Want to try for three? No. Trying to have a conver

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Basic mantra-shastra teaches these meanings, but also layers of > meanings and eventually, ineffability. > > All the TM mantras have many meanings in similar ways. But not *semantic* meanings. That's what people are asking

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suppose I could speak more precisely as you clearly value > precision. I think it's particularly important in this context. > The TMO back in the early 70s when I learned TM, certainly > implied that the man

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > One morning I came out to a strange sound. My cat > > was pulling out a guitar string with his teeth and letting it ring! > > He did it many

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting link about Maharishi's childhood and birthplace

2008-02-11 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: > > > > http://premendra.indiainteracts.com/2008/02/11/maharishi-mahesh-yogi- > > was-born-in-chhattisgarh-not-jabalpur/ > > Keep in mind that lo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting link about Maharishi's childhood and birthplace

2008-02-11 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: > > > > http://premendra.indiainteracts.com/2008/02/11/maharishi-mahesh-yogi- > > was-born-in-chhattisgarh-not-jabalpur/ > > Keep in mind that lo

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One morning I came out to a strange sound. My cat > was pulling out a guitar string with his teeth and letting it ring! > He did it many times and was obviously enjoying it. I started > hanging my guitars on

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
> The siddhis sutras aren't mantras; they're *intentions* > expressed verbally. The semantic meanings are crucial. > They're for a whole different purpose; you aren't using > them to transcend. Apples and kiwi fruit. > I'm not so sure about the semantic meaning since the connection between the int

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not even sure most Indians did concentration > meditations. I don't think Japa is done with effort is it? More effort than there is in TM. The emphasis is on the number of repetitions of the mantra. Think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting link about Maharishi's childhood and birthplace

2008-02-11 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Keep in mind that long URL's get broken. Here's the TinyURL: > > http://tinyurl.com/25wsg8 > ** http://premendr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread Angela Mailander
Tell me the names of some of the boys you remember and then I can tell you if they were in my classes. Most of them loved me and I stay in touch with a lot of them cause I loved them right back and still do. A lot of them hated the TMO as much as you do. We talked about that a lot while I was

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "I still like my idea that "sounds whose effects > are known" refers to *all* the bija mantras as > a whole, i.e., they all have good effects, whereas > words like "mike" and so on would have little if > any ef

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marek, > I thought in the beginning > of teaching in India Maharishi only used the mantra Raam? This is true Curtis. Back in the Beacon Light days (1955-56) that's what he used. I'd have to go digging, b

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When you think of it the sidhis introduce a bunch of new > sounds that aren't in the Vedic tradition to the subtlest > levels, English isn't in the tradition. If what he claimed > was true the sidhis use would

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread bwaytheatrediva
Hmm, I don't remember the name. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How absolute stupid of me. > It was Elston. > > - Original Message > From: bwaytheatrediva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, Febr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread Angela Mailander
How absolute stupid of me. It was Elston. - Original Message From: bwaytheatrediva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:26:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group I'm not sure. --- In Fairf

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 wrote: > > > > > Speak for yourself, please. (I was not required to bow > > down when I was initia

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread bwaytheatrediva
I'm not sure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey, Diva, were you at MSAE when I taught the tenth grade boys there? Those boys are now about your age I think. My last name was different then. > > - Original Message > From: bway

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread Angela Mailander
Hey, Diva, were you at MSAE when I taught the tenth grade boys there? Those boys are now about your age I think. My last name was different then. - Original Message From: bwaytheatrediva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:00:08 PM

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread bwaytheatrediva
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I have no desire to kill myself. Even if I did, my family and friendss would definitely care. And please stop attacking me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread Peter
Welcome back, bro! --- Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Welcome back, Kirk. Your perspective is > refreshing, as always. > > Thanks. About a month ago I had a dream of a > really long waterfall. That > was mainly it, but it was a camera view and the > camera was pulling away > slo

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread wvansant111
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wvansant111" > wrote: > > > > I understand what folks are trying to saying about MSAE not being > so > > bad and compared to many other schools, its probably not...but

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bwaytheatrediva" > wrote: > > > > I'm truly sorry you had such horrible experiences, but that doesn't > > make my experiences any less valid or less real. Every day as I

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bwaytheatrediva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm truly sorry you had such horrible experiences, but that doesn't > make my experiences any less valid or less real. Every day as I > would walk up the sidewalk to school, I would plan my suicide.> Lol, do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for the report,great news Kirk! "What was my point? I am changing professions. I am becoming a middle schoolteacher. The irony. How I hated school always cutting and failing mostgrades after seventh." What an excellent idea. I am doing a number of history of blues shows in schools and I g

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread Kirk
> Welcome back, Kirk. Your perspective is refreshing, as always. Thanks. About a month ago I had a dream of a really long waterfall. That was mainly it, but it was a camera view and the camera was pulling away slowly, and then to the left was a very short waterfall, and the camera was pul

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That Ruth can really lay it down, can't she Curtis? She's become my > favorite writer > herebumping you from the top peg wasn't easy > brother! > > I was a fan from her first posts here! I don't mind bein

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread Marek Reavis
Man, thank you for writing! This is really fine. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Excellent link Kirk! Are you still at the same restaurant? How is > > New Orleans coming along? > > > > > > -Hi. NOLA is fucked as it always has be

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bwaytheatrediva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm truly sorry you had such horrible experiences, but that doesn't > make my experiences any less valid or less real. Every day as I > would walk up the sidewalk to school, I would plan my suicide. > Luckily

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread Kirk
> Excellent link Kirk! Are you still at the same restaurant? How is > New Orleans coming along? > > -Hi. NOLA is fucked as it always has been. Moreso now. After the thrill of community which has survived tragedy is over, people become even more xenophobic than before in preparation for

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 wrote: > > Speak for yourself, please. (I was not required to bow > down when I was initiated, nor was I encouraged to feel > grateful to Guru Dev.) > Judy, you are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting link about Maharishi's childhood and birthplace

2008-02-11 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://premendra.indiainteracts.com/2008/02/11/maharishi-mahesh-yogi- > was-born-in-chhattisgarh-not-jabalpur/ Keep in mind that long URL's get broken. Here's the TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/25wsg8

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
> That Ruth can really lay it down, can't she Curtis? She's become my favorite writer > herebumping you from the top peg wasn't easy brother! I was a fan from her first posts here! I don't mind being "bumped' by her...er...well...you know what I mean! > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread bwaytheatrediva
I'm truly sorry you had such horrible experiences, but that doesn't make my experiences any less valid or less real. Every day as I would walk up the sidewalk to school, I would plan my suicide. Luckily I was able to get help in that area and I don't have those thoughts anymore, thank God. ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread tertonzeno
---No, not a big leap from our perspective; but the Pope would disagree. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "abutilon108" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Again, th

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bwaytheatrediva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I did have some really wonderful teachers who will always remain > dear to me. I also had some really horrible teachers.>> Did you have a teacher like the one I had in high school who looked like Al Capone a

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "WTF? Why did I ever believe that to be the case? I am suddenly amazed > at myself." > > My favorite phrase in your post. This basically IS my new mantra! > That Ruth can really lay it down, can't she Curti

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > "I still like my idea that "sounds whose effects > > are known" refers to *all* the bija mantras as > > a whole, i.e., they all have good eff

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wvansant111" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand what folks are trying to saying about MSAE not being so > bad and compared to many other schools, its probably not...but I > don't think it negates her experience. We all know what the TMO can > can

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread bwaytheatrediva
I did have some really wonderful teachers who will always remain dear to me. I also had some really horrible teachers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wvansant111" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand what folks are trying to saying about MSAE not being so > bad and compared to m

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
"I can speak only from my own experience, but shortly after I learned TM, I experimented using "Jesus" as my mantra, with disappointing results." There could be a lot of reasons for that other than it being an unsuitable mantra as I'm sure you know.I had the opposite experience with the monks, Jes

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread Larry
Jimi Hendrix came back as your cat, very hip > > Great bear story! One morning I came out to a strange sound. My cat > was pulling out a guitar string with his teeth and letting it ring! > He did it many times and was obviously enjoying it. I started hanging > my guitars on the wall!

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
> Curtis and Judy, very interesting exchange. My plan was to leave this > place when I had my thoughts straightened out, but exchanges like this > have enticed me to hang around. As I have no experience with Vedic > texts, this is helpful. I accept the Arabian Nights challenge to try to keep it

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "I still like my idea that "sounds whose effects > are known" refers to *all* the bija mantras as > a whole, i.e., they all have good effects, whereas > words like "mike" and so on would have little if > any ef

[FairfieldLife] Interesting link about Maharishi's childhood and birthplace

2008-02-11 Thread sgrayatlarge
http://premendra.indiainteracts.com/2008/02/11/maharishi-mahesh-yogi- was-born-in-chhattisgarh-not-jabalpur/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "abutilon108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > Again, though, the circuit is within one's own > consciousness, not a circuit between one's > consciousness and something external (at least > in the esot

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
"I still like my idea that "sounds whose effects are known" refers to *all* the bija mantras as a whole, i.e., they all have good effects, whereas words like "mike" and so on would have little if any effect." This is the heart of this for me. Why do we assume that effortlessly meditating with dif

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
Marek, Thanks for considering my speculations! I think the special sounds business was only important for branding. I thought in the beginning of teaching in India Maharishi only used the mantra Raam? Later the articulated system came out which would have helped if people were comparing mantras

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, sure. But lots of anecdotal accounts > > accumulated over time ain't always chopped > > liver. That's the basis of folk medicine, > > after all, and quite a few of its prescriptions > > have turned out

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread abutilon108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Again, though, the circuit is within one's own consciousness, not a circuit between one's consciousness and something external (at least in the esoteric TM context). About this reply -- Most religions, or at least people

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "au

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
> Well, sure. But lots of anecdotal accounts > accumulated over time ain't always chopped > liver. That's the basis of folk medicine, > after all, and quite a few of its prescriptions > have turned out to be effective when they were > tested scientifically. And you might want to be > *very* careful

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread wvansant111
I understand what folks are trying to saying about MSAE not being so bad and compared to many other schools, its probably not...but I don't think it negates her experience. We all know what the TMO can can do to your pysche...if we didn't we wouldn't be on this forum processing it all. I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread Alex Stanley
Welcome back, Kirk. Your perspective is refreshing, as always. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After reading some sloppy intellectualism about God and Jews and > Hindus and Gods and all that shit, I remembered that people form > bonds more chemically t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
Excellent link Kirk! Are you still at the same restaurant? How is New Orleans coming along? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After reading some sloppy intellectualism about God and Jews and > Hindus and Gods and all that shit, I remembered that peo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread Vaj
On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:15 PM, boyboy_8 wrote: I too am no expert in the vagueries of mantra meanings. The point is that they are phrases...meaningless sounds whose meaning is known? Sometimes, yes. For example, a typical TM mantra is the bija of Lakshmi, is an epiphet of Lakshmi: "Shree" + t

[FairfieldLife] Hippo and Tortise

2008-02-11 Thread Kirk
After reading some sloppy intellectualism about God and Jews and Hindus and Gods and all that shit, I remembered that people form bonds more chemically than they do as based in fine philosophy and through acumen. Thus I thought about the TM Movement and those who partake of it, and I thought

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wandering Pandits Frighten Family

2008-02-11 Thread The Secret
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In Colorado, we have the "make my day law" which states that if a > person enters your house and you feel that they represent a threat to > you or your family, you have the right to shoot them but they have to > be

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 wrote: > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi still in communion with them, say disciples | Latest News

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
Let's not go overboard here, folks. To feel that one is "in communion with" (note: not "in communication with") someone who has died recently isn't uncommon. My mother, who was pretty down to earth, had that experience off and on for a few days after my father died. It was no more than a comforti

[FairfieldLife] Re: IA Grants Have Been Canceled

2008-02-11 Thread The Secret
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As far as I know, the grants were never available to foreigners who > wanted to do the 8hr/day rounding program (maybe you are referring to > something else) -- this is an old web page from invincibleamerica: > > https:

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread bwaytheatrediva
School is a lot more than just reading and writing. I learned to write in 1st grade and I taught myself to read before kindergarten. I was miserable even then. I dealt with my anxiety then by acting out in class. One time, my 1st grade teacher had my classmates sit in a circle around me and tel

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 wrote: > > > > > > I too am no expert in the vagueries of mantra meanings. The > > > point is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why can't I unsub?

2008-02-11 Thread gullible fool
It often takes a few days for the emails to stop coming. --- Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kathryn, > Just a little more of this karma left to burn and > then > you'll be free! Like a short visit to hell, yes? > > --- Statesboro Blues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I have tried and t

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nice post. I am digging the parental wisdom coming out today. > > bwaytheatrediva writes: > Hi everyone. I'm 23 years old and I've lived in FF my whole life. I > have a huge amount of bitterness

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 2008, at 6:39 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > FWIW, MMY's teaching is that of Advaita Vedanta, > > the most radically nondual of all the varieties > > of Indian thought. Its nondualism is so rigorous > > that its es

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where did you learn to write, Diva? > You imply that because Diva writes well, his or her schooling was good. Diva hated it and had panic attacks that weren't addressed. Just because Diva learned to read and write do

[FairfieldLife] New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
bwaytheatrediva writes: Hi everyone. I'm 23 years old and I've lived in FF my whole life. I have a huge amount of bitterness/hatred toward the TMO. It was shoved down my throat from literally the moment I was born. MSAE was a kind of hell that I wouldn't wish on anyone. A lot of the people I lov

[FairfieldLife] Re: IA Grants Have Been Canceled

2008-02-11 Thread The Secret
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret" wrote: > > > > I don't know if this applies to all grantees, but the foreigners were > > all presented with notices that effective the end of March, 2008, no > > mo

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In India, the distinction between personal god and names of > personal gods might be something worthy of discussion over a > hot toddy. But that isn't the distinction, at least not the one we were discussing. It's betwee

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
"WTF? Why did I ever believe that to be the case? I am suddenly amazed at myself." My favorite phrase in your post. This basically IS my new mantra! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Thank you fred. Many times these discussions, especially regarding "Hashem", and "Torah", just go on and on, and on, as though one is thrilled to find little gem of knowledge that the rabbis of old also spent countless hours in ascertaining its meaning. Somewhere along the way, it lost its a

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread feste37
Where did you learn to write, Diva? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bwaytheatrediva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hated that we were forced to learn Sanskrit. I hated the uniforms. > I hated SCI. I hated learning about the "ideal routine." It was as > if everyone had to conform and

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 wrote: > > > > > > I too am no expert in the vagueries of mantra meanings. The > > > point is t

[FairfieldLife] Re: IA Grants Have Been Canceled

2008-02-11 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret" wrote: > > > > I don't know if this applies to all grantees, but the foreigners were > > all presented with notices that effective the end of March, 2008, no > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
I call this unreadable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nadarrombus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > other gods before me in the torah, bible and other religious > admonitions has a meaning you miss, and every religion and group > including most tmers miss it also, and in turn have slaughte

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread Vaj
On Feb 11, 2008, at 6:39 PM, authfriend wrote: FWIW, MMY's teaching is that of Advaita Vedanta, the most radically nondual of all the varieties of Indian thought. Its nondualism is so rigorous that its essence cannot be conveyed in words without contradiction/paradox/infinite regress. More r

[FairfieldLife] Re: IA Grants Have Been Canceled

2008-02-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know if this applies to all grantees, but the foreigners were > all presented with notices that effective the end of March, 2008, no > more financial aid for the IA foreigners. This amounts to about 100 > peop

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 wrote: > > > > I too am no expert in the vagueries of mantra meanings. The > > point is that they are phrases...meaningless sounds whose > > meaning is known? > > (Sem

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread The Secret
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bwaytheatrediva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone. I'm 23 years old and I've lived in FF my whole life. I > have a huge amount of bitterness/hatred toward the TMO. It was shoved > down my throat from literally the moment I was born. MSAE was a kind

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