That's very interesting thoughts Buck. You might be right. But do remember
that Maitreya is in incarnation with a body now and came to the West from the
Himalayas in 1977, only two years after Maharishi inaugurated the Dawn of the
Age of Enlightenment and proclaimed: "Heaven will walk on Eart
On the subject of rating spiritual masters, are FFLifers familiar with Sarlo's
Guru Rating Service? Sarlo himself was a disciple of Osho so gives him top
rating but apart from that self-indulgence I find his subjective judgements on
various teachers, gurus and rishis to be reliable. The site is
Re "Well I thought "everybody" knew he was killed by the long-time effects of
the injection the FBI/CIA gave him when he was 24 hrs in prison before he left
the USA. That's what Osho himself claimed.":
Osho thought he was a victim of thallium poisoning by the FBI. As thallium
causes hair lo
Dear Buck,
It will not be the Maiytreya who is the spiritual head of the Masters of
Wisdom, now in a physical body and preparing the world for His reappearance.
Whoever it may be, treat it with respect or get rid of it.
You'll find more on the Reappearance of Christ and the Masters of W
Nablusoss; Maitreya alert. Today I bought some old statuary here in Fairfield,
Iowa. The tag on it said 'Maitreya'. Cast in metal in a combination of brass
and dark metals. It's about the size of a gallon of milk. Seated in lotus,
fabulous mudras with the hands. Heavy with cool ornamentatio
Well I thought "everbody" knew he was killed by the long-time effects of the
injection the FBI/CIA gave him when he was 24 hrs in prison before he left the
USA. That's what Osho himself claimed.
I remember two comments Maharishi made about Osho. First was sometime late
'70ies "He (Osho) is v
Re "My tantra guru knew Osho and thought he was nuts.":
Don't all gurus bad-mouth the opposition? At Oregon, Osho had withdrawn from
public appearances (apart from drive pasts in his Rollers), he was already
heavily into Valium - up to 300mgs a day - way above a regular prescription
dose, an
In the 1980s I was back living in my old home town. A former local
farmer stopped by for a visit. He had become a distributor for fruit
and vegetables and his main customer was Osho's ashram near
Antelope, Oregon.
Fast forward a few years later and one of the women at the software
comp
Re "Egomaniac Godmen who had experienced selflessness":
I've seen a lot of DVDs of Osho's talks and although I would never have dreamt
of becoming a disciple I did find I agreed with most of what he said and he was
clearly talking from personal experience (and not just book-learning - though
led godmen of the city of Ayodhya - these
days people use the guise of being a spiritual leader to grab as much money and
prestige as they can.
On Tue, 1/28/14, TurquoiseB wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where Do the gods Exist?
To: FairfieldL
Following up, because it's an interesting set of speculations:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > ...
> > This broadens out into a wider debate on "Egomaniac Godmen who had
> > experienced selflessness". Why were so man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Coming back to Barry's post: "'I've seen a number of people have
strong experiences of "being enlightenment," and then afterwards "back
off" and run away from any sadhana (spiritual practice, such as
meditation) that would make "being enlightenment"
S3,
'The latest thinking in quantum mechanics is that there is only ONE electron
in existence! How that can be the case is beyond my simple mind but it tallies
nicely with what you're saying."
This is a fascinating topic to contemplate. But I'm sure there are already
many scientists wh
Re "In scientific terms, it could be that the electron inside the retina is in
sync with the electrons in my my brain. Thus, my mind was able to see the
pattern. It could be due to quantum entanglement, which is the best scientific
term that I can think of.":
The latest thinking in quantu
Re "In scientific terms, it could be that the electron inside the retina is in
sync with the electrons in my my brain. Thus, my mind was able to see the
pattern. It could be due to quantum entanglement, which is the best scientific
term that I can think of.":
The latest thinking in quantu
Coming back to Barry's post: "'I've seen a number of people have strong
experiences of "being enlightenment," and then afterwards "back off" and run
away from any sadhana (spiritual practice, such as meditation) that would make
"being enlightenment" "come back." :
Doesn't that apply to your
Its a damned good question - I have to have an identity, and a personality, in
order to function. That doesn't automatically mean that I "own" it, or think of
it as mine, yet, nonetheless, I am wholly responsible for how I act, and what I
do.
So my embarrassment comes about, when it does, when
Brahman Consciousness:
waking sleeping dreaming waking sleeping dreaming waking sleeping dreaming
waking sleeping dreaming waking sleeping dreaming waking sleeping dreaming
waking sleeping dreaming waking sleeping dreaming waking sleeping dreaming
waking sleeping dreaming waking sleeping dre
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> OK, I am glad you enjoyed your nasty tidbit, at my expense, or so you
think.
>
> Yeah, I've embarrassed the hell out of myself more times than I can
count. But it sure beats the alternative, as you amply demonstrate.
Just as a q
OK, I am glad you enjoyed your nasty tidbit, at my expense, or so you think.
Yeah, I've embarrassed the hell out of myself more times than I can count. But
it sure beats the alternative, as you amply demonstrate.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> correction: I am pointing out that the mistake of thinking that
non-attachment, and other full-blown symptoms, as I call them, of
Enlightenment, can be consciously learned, and that to pretend to do so,
is injurious, and a waste of
correction: I am pointing out that the mistake of thinking that non-attachment,
and other full-blown symptoms, as I call them, of Enlightenment, can be
consciously learned, and that to pretend to do so, is injurious, and a waste of
time. Your behavior is a perfect example.
---In Fairfi
I am pointing out that the mistake of thinking that non-attachment, and other
full-blown symptoms, as I call them, of Enlightenment, cannot be consciously
learned, and that to pretend to do so, is injurious, and a waste of time. Your
behavior is a perfect example.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> "If spiritual masters were regulated by the advertising standards
authority wouldn't they be fined for their false promises of "bliss
consciousness"?"
>
> If anything, they should be fined, for, on the one hand, holding out
the pro
"If spiritual masters were regulated by the advertising standards authority
wouldn't they be fined for their false promises of "bliss consciousness"?"
If anything, they should be fined, for, on the one hand, holding out the
promise of "bliss consciousness", and, on the other, failing to provide
Xeno,
"I do not disagree that dreaming is a part of Nature. I do not think however
that is it 'in another dimension' or is 'above the space-time continuum',
rather that dreaming is right there in the space-time continuum."
From what I understand, the space-time continuum is like an empty
You were making sense until you said "If"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
>
> Not quite. There are still black holes it's just the idea of how the
event horizon (point of no return) works. With quantum effects it is
currently thought to allow information back into the universe, but for
you and me it's still certai
S3,
That's an amazing LSD trip you had. Although I didn't take any drugs, I had a
somewhat similar experience. I was able to see the inside details of my retina
while in samadhi. I was literally floating by the bright pink cones and rods
inside the retina.
I talked to a TM checker abo
Sorry, typing on an iPad from Philly. Neo doesn't appear to allow corrections
of typos, quirky as it is so I tried to fix the " so perhaps" but couldn't. It
came out "soerhaps" and it wouldn't let me change it. Returning home tomorrow
to a real computer.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Re Barry's: "I've seen a number of people have strong experiences of "being
enlightenment," and then afterwards "back off" and run away from any sadhana
(spiritual practice, such as meditation) that would make "being enlightenment"
"come back."
"I've seen a number of people have strong experiences of "being enlightenment,"
and then afterwards "back off" and run away from any sadhana (spiritual
practice, such as meditation) that would make "being enlightenment" "come
back.":
Yes, I've been thinking about this comment of Barry's all
Re Barry's: "I've seen a number of people have strong experiences of "being
enlightenment," and then afterwards "back off" and run away from any sadhana
(spiritual practice, such as meditation) that would make "being enlightenment"
"come back.":
The classic account of that experience is Suzanne
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Xeno,
"We have enough fantasies in life when we are awake, so why add fuel to the
fire by claiming significance for a state of experience that is far more
disjointed, wandering, and uncoordinated?"
We really don't have a choice in the m
Re "I personally believe that it's possible to see the physical DNA strands in
a human cell while in samadhi which Patanjali describes as a siddhi for being
as small as an atom.":
I think you are right. When I took high-dose LSD (400mcg+) I could see the
cellular processes within my (and ot
Hawking is just revisiting what he has done before and finding holes in his
previous ideas. Currently he seems to be considering that the 'event horizon'
of a black hole is not fixed but can shift, and that therefore perhaps we
should not call them black holes anymore, they are more complex and
John, I'm sure Hawking is just being a good scientist, changing his mind as his
observations lead him to (-:
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:58 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
Share,
Hawking has been known to change his mind frequently. This appears to be in
keeping with his M.O. :)
Share,
Hawking has been known to change his mind frequently. This appears to be in
keeping with his M.O. :)
Salyavin,
If the human consciousness was taken out of your body, you could not possibly
exist to talk about these ideas. The body might exist, but it will be a
biological bot depending on Nature's instincts for sustenance and direction.
The space-time continuum and the various states of
ah, salyavin, certainty (-:
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 3:28 PM, salyavin808
wrote:
Not quite. There are still black holes it's just the idea of how the event
horizon (point of no return) works. With quantum effects it is currently
thought to allow information back into the universe,
Not quite. There are still black holes it's just the idea of how the event
horizon (point of no return) works. With quantum effects it is currently
thought to allow information back into the universe, but for you and me it's
still certain doom I'm afraid.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s
Xeno,
"We have enough fantasies in life when we are awake, so why add fuel to the
fire by claiming significance for a state of experience that is far more
disjointed, wandering, and uncoordinated?"
We really don't have a choice in the matter. It's a fact that people dream
and it is a s
John, what you say makes sense. OTOH, I read an article just this past week:
Hawking is now saying that black holes don't exist! That must do something to
space time, event horizons, etc., the whole shebang!
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:35 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
Share,
"I've
Share,
"I've written about it here before: knowledge of previous lives. In every case
the knowledge has helped me understand the dynamics of the relationship in this
lifetime. So maybe we'll get a sidhi on an as needed basis!"
Yes, I've read those posts mentioning this. I just wanted to
One word: Bingo ! Trying to rule without nothingness is mood-making.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTIiUOGk508
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTIiUOGk508
whatever.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> Barry wrote:
> As Xeno said recently, I have given up even seeking "experiences." They come,
> they go...big whoop. The only thing that seems to be relevant to "livi
Love it, Xeno, thanks for posting. Heat wave here today, up to 45. Then Arctic
Vortex III tonight. Opportunity to be flexible, ha!
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:58 AM, "anartax...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
In regards to this, a few weeks ago I was listening to videos on YouTube from
various s
In regards to this, a few weeks ago I was listening to videos on YouTube from
various spiritual teachers, and someone had posted a short video of Adyashanti
which was titled 'When Self Obsession Falls Away', although from the talk
posted itself I would have called the segment 'The Day of Awakeni
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> Barry wrote:
> As Xeno said recently, I have given up even seeking "experiences."
They come, they go...big whoop. The only thing that seems to be relevant
to "living a spiritual life" is to embrace them as they come *and* as
they g
Barry wrote:
As Xeno said recently, I have given up even seeking "experiences." They come,
they go...big whoop. The only thing that seems to be relevant to "living a
spiritual life" is to embrace them as they come *and* as they go, and do both
without attachment. IMO, of course.
Regarding you
I think dreams are much more incoherent than they seem on recall in waking.
Sometimes during dreaming I can focus on text, a piece of paper with text that
appears in a particular dream. When I focus on the text, it is totally
incoherent, nothing is readable, but in the general course of a dream
Thank you. I find those comments helpful (-:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> well, it's sort of remarkable that you bring that up, because that is another
> thought, or "experience" that I have been having. People talk about
> "
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> well, it's sort of remarkable that you bring that up, because that is
another thought, or "experience" that I have been having. People talk
about "enlightenment", but if they knew what it really entailed, I think
they would take a pass
I agree. Th
well, it's sort of remarkable that you bring that up, because that is another
thought, or "experience" that I have been having. People talk about
"enlightenment", but if they knew what it really entailed, I think they would
take a pass
They want that experience to dove tail into all their f
Salyavin, my ears aren't quite wide enough yet. Maybe after the Dome (-:
What I really mean is I'm rushing and will read your long reply after the
Dome...
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:35 AM, salyavin808
wrote:
Hmmm, Share, I already replied to this but the mysterious aether that is th
John, I've written about it here before: knowledge of previous lives. In every
case the knowledge has helped me understand the dynamics of the relationship in
this lifetime. So maybe we'll get a sidhi on an as needed basis!
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:03 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Couple of "experiences" to relate, triggered by what you posted here.
>
> I remember in my teaching days that occasionally someone would
comment how uncomfortable it was to just melt into the transcendence.
Maybe they didn't use that exact phrase,
" But in samadhi, during the dreaming state of consciousness, most people can
experience lucid images which are not coming from the eyes. IMO, these
experiences are just as valid as those during the waking state."
Just as valid as in *you* accord them the same importance? If you have a dream
Hmmm, Share, I already replied to this but the mysterious aether that is the
internet seems to have delayed its arrival. Or maybe some subtle beings have
intercepted to try and prevent its revelatory nature reaching wider ears;-)
I'll wait for a bit longer and then have another go...
Share,
"it's been my experience that a Patanjali sidhi is developing even though it's
not a part of the TMSP."
Can you explain more about the Patanjali siddhi that you're experiencing?
John, it's been my experience that a Patanjali sidhi is developing even though
it's not a part of the TMSP.
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:18 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
S3,
That's a fascinating topic that you're raising about reading the information
embedded in the DNA by using
Yep, I love silence - best music, ever.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Couple of "experiences" to relate, triggered by what you posted here.
I remember in my teaching days that occasionally someone would comment how
uncomfortable it was to just melt into the transcendenc
S3,
That's a fascinating topic that you're raising about reading the information
embedded in the DNA by using DMT. Perhaps the human being can do this through
meditation as well. A siddha might be able to see the history of human beings
millions of years ago as they evolved from the lower
Couple of "experiences" to relate, triggered by what you posted here.
I remember in my teaching days that occasionally someone would comment how
uncomfortable it was to just melt into the transcendence. Maybe they didn't
use that exact phrase, but it was something along those lines and "los
Salyavin,
"Consciousness is a picture in our heads. Anything you see that isn't
communicated to us via our senses we are imagining."
In the usual waking consciousness, the senses are important to receive
messages from the outside world. This is true. But in samadhi, during the
dreaming
Share,
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll dig up that video and watch it when time
allows.
And then there's the Canadian tennis player at the Australian Open who, in the
middle of his match, had a vision of Snoopy on the court before passing out
from the heat.
"'I was dizzy from the middle of the first set and then I saw Snoopy and I
thought, "Wow Snoopy, that's weird,"' Dancevic
. . . However, if you like the weird side . . . Suppose the Clifford reading is
right and DMT allows us to revert to cell-consciousness and in some sense
"read" DNA? There's a wonderful take on life's origins called "directed
panspermia" which holds that our planet was seeded with DNA by aliens
Re "The pineal gland is a possible physical explanation for the visions. But
it's also possible that these visions are actually manifestations of subtle
beings that exist in another dimension of space and consciousness and are
picked up by the mind at its heightened peak of receptivity by DMT."
Nabs,
I meant that the basic spacetime continuum is lower than the human states of
consciousness. As such, the lower spacial dimensions cannot perceive the
subtle beings or gods that can only be perceived by the human brain and
consciousness.
S3,
Thanks for your detailed description of a DMT trip. I haven't tried it myself
and probably won't given the points you've described here. But I am interested
in the possible explanations why this happens and the experiences appear to be
alike by those who take them.
The pineal gland
Salyavin, by *objective* do you mean outside of our body? Because even
fluctuations in our skull giving rise to a fantasy are objective in the sense
that they are objects. They are energy currents and chemical changes and
electrical activities. And they are being experienced!
On Saturday, J
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
>
> "They exist in our consciousness. That's why people see these subtle
beings while in altered states of consciousness induced by drugs or
while in the dream state of consciousness and in samadhi."
>
> Consciousness is a picture in our h
"They exist in our consciousness. That's why people see these subtle beings
while in altered states of consciousness induced by drugs or while in the dream
state of consciousness and in samadhi."
Consciousness is a picture in our heads. Anything you see that isn't
communicated to us via our
Re "Fascinating speculation about fantasy visions having been triggered by a
naturally-occurring DMT trip. Having seen the original cave paintings at
Lascaux and other prehistoric European caves, I think they might have been
inspired by similar bursts of brains getting creative on their own asse
Re "the energy field was so powerful and so transformative that you really
*couldn't* hold on to any fixed version of self to identify with. One desert
trip blew you out of your socks and out of your self, for at least a week.":
The downside of these powerful transformations is that it can scare
I never tried the stuff, and thus can't comment on it, but I wanted to
comment on the clarity, balance, and yes, creativity with which you
described it. Nice.
Fascinating speculation about fantasy visions having been triggered by a
naturally-occurring DMT trip. Having seen the original cave painti
Re "Since you took DMT, what did you personally experience? How did you feel?
Did you see any visions?":
Within seconds of inhaling the stuff visions are popping up in your entire
visual field. Weird, jester-type images - so fleeting you don't get a chance to
make sense out of the experie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Re this Chuang-tzu quote: "A monk fell asleep and dreamed he was a
butterfly. When he awoke, he asked himself "Was I a man dreaming I was a
butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming I am a man"?
>
> Chuang-tzu's point was NOT to imply that all experi
Re this Chuang-tzu quote: "A monk fell asleep and dreamed he was a butterfly.
When he awoke, he asked himself "Was I a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or am
I a butterfly dreaming I am a man"?
Chuang-tzu's point was NOT to imply that all experience is dream-like (it
isn't); Chuang-tzu's poin
kRtaarthaM prati naSTam apy anaSTaM tad-anya-saadhaaraNatvaat...
S3,
Since you took DMT, what did you personally experience? How did you feel?
Did you see any visions?
Re "I know some people who have done ayuhuasca, they say it is quite a
demanding experience.":
Any drug that makes its partakers vomit (eg, heroin and ayahuasca) I assume is
our body's way of telling us this isn't a good idea.
I did try DMT a few times (an ingredient in ayahuasca) which gives
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