--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"
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> In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling,
> That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing.
>
> I have had some experience with emotional healing.
> Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking e
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling,
> > That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing.
> >
> > I have h
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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**SNIP**
>
> Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only
> child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from.
>
> The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
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> Comment below:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> **SNIP**
>
> This is a terrible personal history and I cannot imagine any reader
> here not moved by it. Desp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > In reading some of the recent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
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> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It
> > hurts to be denounced when in posts one objects to such things.
> > But that's just another afternoon as life of a survivor who's going
> > through the emotional healing.
>
> Imagine adopting a child like this.
>
> I can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:20 AM, anonymousff wrote:
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> > Had he
> > been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and
> > intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and
> > hold.
>
> I do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run
> along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any better...
>
Yes. Thank you Dr. Lechter. I get it. With fava beans and a good
chianti.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run
> > along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old
boy.
snip
Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story,
and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information? Thanks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
>
> > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old
> boy.
>
> snip
>
> Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story,
> and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information? Thanks.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than
a
> peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your
average
> Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require
> sp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a
> peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average
> Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require
> special m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than
> a
> > peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are jus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "lurkernomore20002000"
> > >
> > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year
> > old
> > > boy.
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over.
He's
> forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at
the
> time of abuse..
snip
Yes, y
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > But it's our work to do as
> > individuals--you can't
> > really outsource your own sadhana to India.
>
> Very wise words.
I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource
them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's
>
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
**SNIP**
>
> Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue
> Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he
> admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apolog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
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> Comment below:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> **SNIP**
> >
> > Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue
> > Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully ap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > But it's our work to do as
> > >
What do you guys think is the connection between
the individual and collective consciousness? I've
often felt that my individual evolution is in thrall
to the collective, just as my income usually depends
on the larger economy.
Your remarks below consider only individual power,
independent o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"
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> What do you guys think is the connection between
> the individual and collective consciousness?
Here we go with another paradox. Once the illusion of seperation is
largely dispelled as a result of identificat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically
> > states that you become realized only through your own
> > effort, nothing else.
>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> > wrote:
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> > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that spec
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[...]
> However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh air and getting on
> with life, he squanders his equity by trashing others. Aside from
> finding it annoying and disruptive, it doesn't help Tom in the
> sli
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
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> > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that speci
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> [...]
> > However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh air and
getting on
> > with life, he squanders his equity by trashing ot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
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> > > The Shiva Sutras
Just happened to find a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> The attributes of a survivor and what makes Anon exceedingly
> successful in his profession.
Which is?
lurk
>
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.
Dr Pete: writes
The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically
states that you become realized only through your own
effort, nothing else.
Tom T:
from the shiva sutras as posted here two years ago by Michael Goodman
Shiva Sutras
Translated by Sage Vasugupta
First Awakening
1. Universal Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Maybe I read a bad translation!
Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read
Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation
for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham":
18.
Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoyi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Maybe I read a bad translation!
> >
> > Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read
> > Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation
> > for "lokaa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> Maybe I read a bad translation!
> > >
> > > Well, as a semi-devote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister w
cardemaister writes snipped:
Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site,
that seems to be erroneous:
1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi.
It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means
'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't
seem to have t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Dec 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, cardemaister wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> >>
>
> Maybe I read a
On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:41 PM, anonymousff wrote:Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely out
On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:20 AM, anonymousff wrote:Had he been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and hold.I don't know that that would be the case. My one child, we were his 12th home by the age of 5 and he was
On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:33 AM, anonymousff wrote:You're obsessed with this foster home thing, aren't you?No, not particularly. I am concerned that in some instances it can foster attachment disorders. It's a known entity, it's not like something I have to point out. Therefore there should be treatme
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you
> well know. Now run
> > along and accuse someone else, if it makes you
> feel any better...
> >
>
> Yes. Tha
On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, anonymousff wrote:It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall rather well and believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to evoke pity to make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are obviously in it to cure their own misery, should be less flippant a
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "lurkernomore20002000"
> >
> > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year
> old
> > boy.
> >
> > snip
> >
> > Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this
> Tom Pall's story,
> >
On Dec 9, 2005, at 4:09 AM, anonymousff wrote:You're assuming that Tom is just wrath. No, not at all. Just that he had possible anger issues. In any event, it helpful for *anyone* to be able to integrate the movement of thought with the calm, transcendent state irregardless of what individual iss
--- lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's
> getting over.
> He's
> > forever damned because his emotional development
> was arrested at
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But it's our work to do as
> individuals--you can't
> really outsource your own sadhana to India.
Very wise words.
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--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > But it's our work to do as
> > > individuals--you can't
> > > really outsource your own sadhana to India.
> >
> > Very wise
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> Agreed. I will say again that I thought it was a
> brave thing for Tom
> to openly post details of his childhood trauma. Such
> an action can
> sometimes be helpful for empowerment and to
> destigmatize
> victimizing event.
>
> However, i
Maybe I read a bad translation!
--- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jim_flanegin"
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> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: Maybe I read a bad translation! Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": 18. Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. Exposition
On Dec 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: Maybe I read a bad translation! Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tr
On Dec 10, 2005, at 5:49 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Tom T; Shiva Sutras Translated by Sage Vasugupta 1.18. His being in the ecstatic state of samadhi bestows bliss and happiness to the whole humanity or the totality of enjoyment in the universe constitutes (or comprises) his ecst
On Dec 12, 2005, at 3:02 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: Maybe
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