--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm more radical; I don't think the term
'enlightenment'
should be used at all. It's lost any useful
meaning.
If one insists on using it, defining it in terms of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Judy
What a crystal clear response detailing the levels of thought that
are behind your posts. If everyone were as well versed in the
exigencies of language including dialectec, infinite regress, etc.
I suspect the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snipping what came before
I think it can be understood using the concept of
dharma. Within the context of waking state there is a
foundational dharma of individual responsibility
because there is so clearly a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think it can be understood using the concept of
dharma. Within the context of waking state there is a
foundational dharma of individual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snipping what came before
I think it can be understood using the concept of
dharma. Within the context of waking state there is a
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm more radical; I don't think the term
'enlightenment'
should be used at all. It's lost any useful
meaning.
If one insists on using it, defining it in terms of
behavior could be misleading and illusory, because
all
of the traits you list
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
Anybody else identify with this? I ask because
some on this forum have characterized those of us
who have had such experiences and talk about them
openly here as somehow presenting ourselves as
authorities on or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
A major part of the difficulty in talking about
enlightenment, it seems to me, is that folks--
*especially* you, Barry--don't bother to think
through what they're saying.
I should have said some folks. Many people
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
Anybody else identify with this? I ask because
some on this forum have characterized those of us
who have had such experiences and
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snip
Anybody else identify with this? I ask because
some
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip The concept of the ego/I going away or being
somehow replaced by Self/I implies that it's
a subtractive process. For me, realization has
always been more of an additive process. Nothing
of life before
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have said two contradictory things: that
enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and
that it's not exactly like ignorance.
Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-)
Yahoo! Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I never said I didn't have any expectations.
I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I know what it ain't
like?
Still an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is the most unique achievement we can have as human beings.
Infinitely complex and arduous to accomplish, yet absolutely
irreproducible by anyone else. Uniquely personal to each of us is
our journey to
No comments on what you wrote, Irmeli, except to say
that I enjoyed reading them. But I do have a question.
In what organization or group did you learn freemasonry?
I was under the impression that it was closed to women.
Unc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No comments on what you wrote, Irmeli, except to say
that I enjoyed reading them. But I do have a question.
In what organization or group did you learn freemasonry?
I was under the impression that it was closed to
Thanks. I'm asking for a female friend who had
interests in those directions, but who was dismayed
at finding out that she wasn't eligible. I'll pass
your information along to her.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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You have said two contradictory things: that
enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and
that it's not exactly like ignorance.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I never said I didn't have any expectations.
I may not know
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what
you want to say here without resorting to the use
of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice
(deciding, making, denying, believing).
Quite right; enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I never said I didn't have any expectations.
I may not know
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brilliant post, Jim. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
And Thank You for providing the venue through FFL where I was able
to post it!
on 11/22/05 7:14 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what
you want to say here without resorting to the use
of terms implying intentionality,
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Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what
you want
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Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what
you want
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I never said
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all
the intentional language.
If one can frame the ability to realize as
something intentional rather than as something
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snip
Hi Judy- it was an interesting thing, and very much in line with
what you are saying here, that when I was looking for that quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip there is no person to take credit for it in
enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of
ownership and responsibility for action and its
concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd
notion to talk about an
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Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what
you want
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the
intentional language.
If one can frame the ability to realize as something
intentional rather than as something that happens to
one, then one has a basis for
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judy stein wrote:
You have said two contradictory things: that
enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and
that it's not exactly like ignorance.
TorquiseB writes:
Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-)
Tom T comments:
This is the entire story of Jaimini. On the one hand there is
ignorance and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the
intentional language.
If one can frame the ability to realize as something
Peter writes:
But there is no person to take credit for it in
enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of
ownership and responsibility for action and its
concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd
notion to talk about an individuality. None can be
located .
Sparegg Writes:
But
On Nov 23, 2005, at 12:45 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judy stein wrote: You have said two contradictory things: that enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and that it's not exactly like ignorance.
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--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter writes:
But there is no person to take credit for it in
enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of
ownership and responsibility for action and its
concequences. But in
, November 23, 2005 11:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you
may
judy stein wrote:You have said two contradictory things:
thatenlightenment is exactly like ignorance, andthat it's not exactly
like ignorance. TorquiseB writes:Exactly. Now you're
getting it. :-)Tom T
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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL
Greatest Hits: you may
judy stein wrote:
You have said two contradictory things: that
enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and
that it's not exactly like ignorance
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter writes:
But there is no person to take credit for it in
enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of
ownership and responsibility for action and its
concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd
notion to
Dont you think that is because it
is a personal relationship with what is?
I see from the standpoint of
my self.
I see from the standpoint of
the all...
I, I , I, I (I
am the frito bandito sorry, couldnt resist)
Why not just enjoy?
Paula
there are now at
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snip
Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind
all
the intentional language.
If one can frame the ability to realize as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
I think it can be understood using the concept of
dharma. Within the context of waking state there is a
foundational dharma of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Judy continues:
I wish he were around.
Judy, I AM around - on this list and many others.
I kinda figured you might be. whistling
snip
What I want to do is two things:
1. To shift your
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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
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Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it
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snip
There's a difference between positive and
negative expectations. Has nothing to do with
neti, neti.
There is no difference between
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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
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Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is
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on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I for one have at least one expectation: when enlightened I don't
want to feel shitty.
What if you get the flu, or cancer?
Still: who is screaming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip
There's a difference between positive and
negative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My take: when Self is ready to acknowledge Self, it will. Mahasutras
are for Unity. CC takes care of itsSelf.
Or, to put it differently: premature recognition of CC is detrimental
to one's growth because
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
P.S. Judy, please stop lying about your ignorance. ;-)
Ignorance is a lie, so what was the point of this?
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--
Get fast access to your favorite
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I for one have at least one expectation: when enlightened I
don't
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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
There is no use discussing all of this, Judy. The
most important thing I said in my first post was
the word Whatever. That's really about all one
can say about enlightenment, IMO. You either get
it or you don't.
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snip
There's a difference between positive and
negative
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--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I for one have at least one expectation: when
enlightened I don't
want to feel shitty.
What if
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Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to
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What I'm living is ignorance.
With all due respect, what you're trying to
*perpetuate* is ignorance.
Yeah, that's bullshit.
You're
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I
know what it ain't
like?
Still an expectation...
Expectations (both positive and negative) are concepts
of the mind. Since enlightenemt is outside the measure
of the waking state mind, no concept
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I
know what it ain't
like?
Still an expectation...
Expectations (both positive and negative) are concepts
of the mind. Since
on 11/22/05 3:28 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm simply saying that isn't the case with me.
I have no idea what enlightenment is like; I
only know it isn't what *ignorance* is like.
It's like, people in chat groups who ordinarily get on your nerves and cause
you to react are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 11/22/05 3:28 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm simply saying that isn't the case with me.
I have no idea what enlightenment is like; I
only know it isn't what *ignorance* is like.
It's like,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
But you have/had expectations of what it is NOT like...
Yes, Lawson. That's what I said to start with
and what I've been saying all along.
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[...]
But you have/had expectations of what it is NOT like...
Yes,
Brilliant post, Jim. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
on 11/22/05 7:14 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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on 11/22/05 3:28 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm simply saying that isn't
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Judy Stein writes:
Peter, how would you address the statement that
in some respect, enlightenment is not like
ignorance?
Turn it around if you like: In some respect,
ignorance is not like enlightement.
(Note that in some respect does not mean in all
respects.)
Tom T Comments:
I know that my name
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy Stein writes:
Peter, how would you address the statement that
in some respect, enlightenment is not like
ignorance?
Turn it around if you like: In some respect,
ignorance is not like
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I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty quickly.
I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be
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I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty
quickly.
I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty quickly.
I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be
found in the Files/FFLIndex.html section, or as message 4002, from
Michael Dean
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snip
Thanks, Jim. Michael's explanations are indeed
extraordinary.
I wish he were around. This piece *almost* convinces
me that
Judy Stein writes:--snipped
Thanks, Jim. Michael's explanations are indeed
extraordinary.
I wish he were around. This piece *almost* convinces
me that I'm Self-realized, but I'd really like to ask
him about being overshadowed by the relative, which is
my sole basis for saying I'm not
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If my experience is that I'm overshadowed, how would
Michael interpret that in terms of what he says in
this piece?
MMY speaks of
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Thanks, Jim. Michael's explanations are indeed
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Put another way, it is that sense that there is still
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Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
Tom T comment:
Why do you want to have any expectation about how it is supposed to
be. How do you know for sure how it is
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So it seems to me that I'm judging my state of
consciousness by exactly the criterion Michael suggests--
not by flashy experiences or
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Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
Tom T comment:
Why do
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Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
Tom T comment:
Why do
on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I for one have at least one expectation: when enlightened I don't
want to feel shitty.
What if you get the flu, or cancer?
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jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty quickly.
I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be
found in the Files/FFLIndex.html section, or as message 4002, from
Michael Dean Goodman. I have copied a [lengthy] excerpt
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jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty
quickly.
I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be
found in the Files/FFLIndex.html
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So it seems to me that I'm judging my state of
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Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is
Judy writes:
I *do* have an expectation of how it is *not* supposed
to be--i.e., like ignorance.
Tom T comments:
I thought I was being clear that any expectation is that an
expectation. So to have an expectation of what it is *not* supposed to
be ie like ignorance leads to the question of who
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on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at
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I for one have at least one expectation: when
enlightened I don't
want to feel shitty.
What if you get the flu, or cancer?
Before enlightenment, flu, cancer, feeling shitty.
After
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