[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-02-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox > > can be in Virgo without its being September. > > Really? And exa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-02-01 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
With all of the traffic on the above topic caused by a simple concept that was misunderstood I thought the following quote seemed appropriate. Tom T Awakening reveals that there is no personal self, and that everything is myself. It appears to be a paradox. We find we are nothing and absolutely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > What I'm *very* clear o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:32 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > That > > you could create such a fix in the future does not change my basic > > points. > > No, just it does not make sense to refer to something as occurring

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [...] > So you agree that in 13000 years, tropical sun is in virgo, aka around > september? > But is Virgo in September by that time? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj
On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:32 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:My thesis assumes the modern current calendar. Not that I expect   that will be used in 13000 years. But using the current system, sun in tropical virgo will still be in september.  And the sun at VE in 15006 will be in tropical virgo.Yes but w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > The sun's position at the t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Some have made large cogn

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 3:29 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > The basic point is understanding what precession of the equinox means. > > And its impacts long run such as long run weather cycles, human > > migration and civil

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj
On Jan 31, 2006, at 5:38 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a motion that causes the axis of the Earth's rotation to remain FIXED at an angle of 23.5 degrees, however, it rotates along a great circle with a period of 26,000 years.  On average 23.5 degree

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj
On Jan 31, 2006, at 3:29 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:The basic point is understanding what precession of the equinox means. And its impacts long run such as long run weather cycles, human migration and civilization  growth/decay impacts, and how correspondence to long-run jyotish cycles may corre

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > The sun's position at the tim

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > The sun's position at the tim

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox > > can be in Virgo without its being September. At least its nice you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox > can be in Virgo without its being September. Really? And exactly how does that work? Its September when sun is in (tropical) virgo today. Assuming we don't cha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have > > interpreted "The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 1300

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have > interpreted "The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years" to be > "spring will be in fall". That is muddled reading and thinking, but > is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo? > > > > Have you ever thought your train is moving, when >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo? > Have you ever thought your train is moving, when it's actually the train next to yours that's doing that? :) Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1795.html > > Will the equinoxes and solstices switch places in > 13,000 years because of the precession of the Earth's > rotation axis? > > No, there will be no swapping of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You said: > > > > "As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of > > the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yah

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread gullible fool
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1795.html Will the equinoxes and solstices switch places in 13,000 years because of the precession of the Earth's rotation axis? No, there will be no swapping of the seasons and the months of the year. The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a motio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What I'm *very* clear on is that spring doesn't end up > > coming in September 13,000 years hence. And of course you know

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yah

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoog

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You above clarifi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You above clarified

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:24 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > If you agree to the general overall point (regardless of small > > variations and simplifications) in each of the above 8 points, it > > logically follows that yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > You above clarified that in your view that "both" points of > > reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj
On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:24 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:If you agree to the general overall point (regardless of small variations and simplifications) in each of the above 8 points, it logically follows that you agree that in 13000 years, tropical sun is in virgo, aka around september? All celesti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You appear to think tropically that "the position of the sun from year > to year at the time of the vernal equinox" is different fro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ya

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > It is in two only superfic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > It is in two only superfic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting "age of > > acquarius" > > > > Thus, in sideral, sun at VE w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:22 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > >> > >> Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being > >> discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here > >> goes: > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > > > Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I believe you are using two different calculational reference > > points, tropical and sideral, in the same single observat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj
On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:22 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being   discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here   goes: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rise

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It is in two only superficially. Though in the same > > > spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > See Vaj's post about frames of re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries and leap seconds? > > The issue is whether the vernal equinox will occur in > September 1

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no > > one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or > > explained th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no > > one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or > > explained th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow > > you've managed to confuse at least two different ones. I believe Vaj is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is in two only superficially. Though in the same > > spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in > > Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. > > No, I'm just assumin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yah

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj
On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the date of the vernal equinox -- and t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries and leap seconds? The issue is whether the vernal equinox will occur in September 13,000 years from now (or whether it *was* in September 13,000 years ago). > --- In Fairfie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yah

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread sparaig
Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries and leap seconds? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[E

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The vernal equinox is in "September" in 13000 years. Its not that > > complex. If you are struggling with the September ver

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would recommend you get a copy of "Practical Astronomy with your > Pocket Calculator" which you can get used real cheap. One of the > important concepts to grok in celestial mechanics is *frames of > reference*. For ex

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just take it as a given that > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj
I would recommend you get a copy of "Practical Astronomy with your Pocket Calculator" which you can get used real cheap. One of the important concepts to grok in celestial mechanics is *frames of reference*. For example, there are horizon coordinates, equatorial coordinates, ecliptic coordi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
The graph on this link I beleive shows a long term (1800-2200)declining trend of the date of the vernal equinox -- consistent with the explanation for such I provided earlier. http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/VernalEquinox.html Some other links that touch on and are consistent with a l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > If you have a cogent a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > it's always around > > > March 20

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > it's always around > > > March 20

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it's always around > > March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will > > be able to discover whatever it is that isn'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been an astronomy buff for 38 years and am not > confused easily. I leave it to those who know little > about the subject to be confused. > Ok good. Glad to have your experience available. So with your knowl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, > > please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The vernal equinox is in "September" in 13000 years. Its not that > > complex. If you are struggling with the September verna

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The vernal equinox is in "September" in 13000 years. Its not that > > complex. If you are struggling with the September vern

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The vernal equinox is in "September" in 13000 years. Its not that > complex. If you are struggling with the September vernal equinox, I > speculate that you have not groked what "precession of the equinox" > mea

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 > > years. > > How's 8000 years? Is that enough proof? Link to here > and change "maximum year" to and "yearly > increment" to 100 and you will find tha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread gullible fool
> It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 > years. How's 8000 years? Is that enough proof? Link to here and change "maximum year" to and "yearly increment" to 100 and you will find that the vernal equinox in 9900 will be on March 21st. http://aom.giss.nasa.gov/srvernal.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 > > years the vernal > > equinox will be in "September". Lets meet then and > > see. > > No. The sun moves from its lowest point in the sky > relative to the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread gullible fool
> Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 > years the vernal > equinox will be in "September". Lets meet then and > see. No. The sun moves from its lowest point in the sky relative to the earth to its highest point in the sky relative to the earth in six months, from the winter solsti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > What will change are the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, authfriend wrote: > > snip. +++ The problems that one would notice in one lifetime that were caused by th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur > > and the position of the sun relative to constellatio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > >> > >>> My main question st

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread Vaj
On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building  to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What will change are the time of year the vernal equinox will occur > and the position of the sun relative to constellations. Vernal > equinox is now in March, and the sun is in Pisces when this > occurs. In 13

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > ...but what happens when the universe implodes back into a point > > singularity? > > Didn't that already happen this morn

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...but what happens when the universe implodes back into a point > singularity? Didn't that already happen this morning? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to > > the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is > > about 8 degre

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread gullible fool
Eureka once more! --- anonyff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, I was not making that assumption. But I was making a > different false assumption based on my trying to piece things together > from different posts. I finally did some reading. I think I got now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.c

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to > > the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs / 500 is > > about 8 degrees

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > bhagwan_goose <[EMAIL PRO

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread Vaj
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:50 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:My main question still holds. Does the orientation of a building to the sun really change at that rate? Like pyramids, 4000 yrs  / 500 is about 8 degrees. Has the orientation of the pyramids to the sun changed 8 degrees? A recent poster says n

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread Peter
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > doctor_gabby_savy > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread Peter
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > doctor_gabby_savy >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread Vaj
On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:37 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:Perhaps you can shed some light on the following: Peter claims that this precession changes the orientation of buildings over long of time -- that a building facing due east will be facing due west in 13,000 years due to precession (assuming

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just went back and looked, and Peter did *not* claim > > a building facing due east will be facing due west in > > 13,000 yea

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East

2006-01-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yah

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