--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Last night I had a weird experience where I layed in bed and all
knowledge came to me and I was enlightened. It lasted about fifteen
minutes. I experienced perfect and complete shunyata. I understood
how the dualism
on 6/20/05 1:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> on 6/18/05 10:56 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think its very tenuous and slippery to assume that Rick is being
honest wit
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/20/05 12:00 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just how many women did MMY allegedly sleep with
> and over what
> > period
> >>> of time?
> >>
> >> I know the names of 5 or 6, and there accounts of
> others, unnamed.
> > The
on 6/20/05 12:00 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>> Just how many women did MMY allegedly sleep with and over what
> period
>>> of time?
>>
>> I know the names of 5 or 6, and there accounts of others, unnamed.
> The time
>> frame seems to span mid-60's through early 70's.
>
> PErhap
ere goes. Enjoy.
- Original Message -
From: TurquoiseB
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices /
Ethics
> > The way that can be spoken is not the Constant Way.
Enlightenment > > isn'
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The way that can be spoken is not the Constant
> Way.
> Enlightenment
> > > isn't something you can describe, so why try?
> >
> > It's fun!
> >
> > --I can describe it but you won't understand
> or like my
> description.
>
> I try to stay
> > The way that can be spoken is not the Constant Way.
Enlightenment
> > isn't something you can describe, so why try?
>
> It's fun!
>
> --I can describe it but you won't understand or like my
description.
I try to stay out of discussions about "what is enlightenment,"
attempts to *defin
> > The way that can be spoken is not
the Constant Way. Enlightenment isn't > something you can describe, so
why try?It's fun!--I can describe it but you won't understand or like my
description.
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I agree with Sal and Sparaig re consenting adults and IMO, anyone who
thinks Monica didn't know exactly what she was doing is a tad naive. If someone
is forced, then it becomes more than a private matter but you seem to assume
that these women were so outgunned they couldn't exert any
Rick Archer wrote:
on
6/19/05 1:09 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
don't know, Rick, I could be all wet on this, but it sounds to me like
you're almost suggesting putting someone in the stocks, figuratively speaking.
For once I agree with Sparaig, what goes on between adults
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [...]
> > Now, look at spraig's statement carefully:
> >
> > In the context of the TMO, anyone who discusses enlightenment is "off
> > the progr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/18/05 10:56 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> I think its very tenuous and slippery to assume that Rick is being
> >> honest with himself or anyone else when he says things like he does.
> >> T
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
Maybe the whole thing will die a quiet death, all sorts of
> fanciful myths will be concocted, and 2,000 years from now some guy
will
> make a fortune writing a best seller claiming that M had progeny.
What would
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/19/05 7:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Right. But if Bill wasn¹t president, or MMY head of an organization
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/19/05 7:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Right. But if Bill wasn¹t president, or MMY head of an organization
>
on 6/19/05 8:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>>> Of course, but why did the World Press give
>>> Maharishi such immunity?
>>> Aside from a report
on 6/19/05 7:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Right. But if Bill wasn¹t president, or MMY head of an organization
> that
>> attracted many young people, or Mick Jagger lead singer of the Rolling
>> Stone
on 6/19/05 7:44 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Of course, but why did the World Press give Maharishi such immunity?
> Aside from a report from the Beatles era,
The Rolling Stone interview with John Lennon, June, 1970.
>what press rumors of this
> surfaced in the last 50 years?
Lind
Exactly. And similar habits for Roosevelt.
Sal
On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
While Churchill smoked, drank, and used profanity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> > Of course, but why did the World Press give
> > Maharishi such immunity?
> > Aside from a report from the Beatles era, what press
> > rumors of this
> > surface
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Right. But if Bill wasn¹t president, or MMY head of an organization
that
> attracted many young people, or Mick Jagger lead singer of the Rolling
> Stones, it¹s unlikely any of them would have had all the women they
d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > on 6/19/05 1:09 PM, Sal Sunshine at
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know, Rick, I c
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
on 6/19/05 6:03 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I guess I have this notion that rationality and self control in one’s personal life – in other words, a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > on 6/19/05 1:09 PM, Sal Sunshine at
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know, Rick, I could be all wet on this,
> > but it sounds to me like
> > > yo
True
But I'm no Maharishi. I'm just a bottom feeding
bodhisattva.
- Original Message -
From: akasha_108
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices /
Ethics
--- In Fai
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's
> hard to think that God could be deceptive and horny.
Oh yea of little scriptural backgrond. :)
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--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> Sutphen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list
> are
> > > peoples' mental mo
That's a good question Sal. I think there's some
projection on our part of God/Father archetype. It's
hard to think that God could be deceptive and horny.
--- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's a lot easier to understand, IMO, since nobody
> likes being
> deceived. I just wonder wh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's hard to imagine Maharishi giving lectures about things with
pussy on his face, or with cum still wanking off his cock after a
quick blow job to restore his spirits.
Why? You lecture us like that all the time. :)
On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
I guess I have this notion that rationality and self control in one’s personal life – in other words, a healthy, balanced personality - somehow correlate with the ability to conduct oneself as a leader of a country or spiritual organization.
That i
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
on 6/19/05 5:43 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Shouldn’t the president of the US be more capable of making rational decisions than a starry-eyed young
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
on 6/19/05 5:28 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a lot easier to understand, IMO, since nobody likes being deceived. I just wonder why this deception seems to get so much more ink than any o
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices
/ Ethics
on 6/19/05 3:11 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:> > It's not so much the sexual behavior that is>
bothersome, but the implicit
On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Shouldn’t the president of the US be more capable of making rational decisions than a starry-eyed young intern? Isn’t that why we elected him?
We elected him to make rational decisions about sex?
Right. But if Bill wasn’t president, or MMY head of
That's a lot easier to understand, IMO, since nobody likes being deceived. I just wonder why this deception seems to get so much more ink than any of the others.
Sal
On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
It's not so much the sexual behavior that is
bothersome, but the implicit dec
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
on 6/19/05 5:04 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 19, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
But are all adults created equal? Bill and Monica?
Such an attitude really presupposes that women who
On Jun 19, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
But are all adults created equal? Bill and Monica?
Such an attitude really presupposes that women who are younger are automatically less capable of making rational decisions. In effect, it's very condescending. As I recall, it was Monica who ini
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are
> > peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong
> > you are if you don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference
> between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory
> difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really
> big
on 6/19/05 3:11 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> It's not so much the sexual behavior that is
> bothersome, but the implicit deception involved in
> presenting one's self as a celibate monk and then
> pursuing sex with course participants/staff behind
> closed doors.
Right. And t
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/19/05 1:09 PM, Sal Sunshine at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I don't know, Rick, I could be all wet on this,
> but it sounds to me like
> > you're almost suggesting putting someone in the
> stocks, figuratively speaking.
> > For once I agree
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
on 6/19/05 1:09 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know, Rick, I could be all wet on this, but it sounds to me like you're almost suggesting putting someone in the stocks, figuratively spea
I don't know, Rick, I could be all wet on this, but it sounds to me like you're almost suggesting putting someone in the stocks, figuratively speaking. For once I agree with Sparaig, what goes on between adults in a *consensual* matter should stay there.
I also wonder why nobody brought it up at
on 6/18/05 10:56 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I think its very tenuous and slippery to assume that Rick is being
>> honest with himself or anyone else when he says things like he does.
>> The consensual sexual activities of an adult human with another adult
>> human are usual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [...]
> > Well that's the second time I have been accussed of being a prude on
> > this forum. Let me assure you without going into any specfics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[...]
> Well that's the second time I have been accussed of being a prude on
> this forum. Let me assure you without going into any specfics, I'm not
> a prude and I generally don't care who fucks who. But I am concerned
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > on 6/15/05 9:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on 6/17/05 7:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Neither was I. I was merely pointing out that their decision to
g
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The
difference
> > > bet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
>
> >> In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner
> >> experience and POV
> >> with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I
> >> can't tell you how many
> >> pe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on 6/15/05 9:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self
> > reported. The difference
> > > between nearly infinit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > I've seen few signs of "newly awakened" on this group
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[...]
> Now, look at spraig's statement carefully:
>
> In the context of the TMO, anyone who discusses enlightenment is "off
> the program"...
>
> In the midst of an organization supposedly formed to promote and
> produce
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sparaig.
> Are you from Norway? This is one of the Histories one Purusha from
> Norway is telling.
> Ingegerd
>
I live in Arizona, USA and heard it in Arizona, USA.
>
> > > > Sounds like standard business practices,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
>
> >> In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner
> >> experience and POV
> >> with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I
> >> can't tell you how many
> >> pe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/17/05 7:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Neither was I. I was merely pointing out that their decision to get
> > away from the TMO may be the right one for THEM, but may not say
> > anything about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:
>
> > Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference
> > between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory
> > difference. Once it is
On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
>> In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner
>> experience and POV
>> with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I
>> can't tell you how many
>> people I've met who thought they were enlightened
>> after a certain
>> experience or s
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/15/05 9:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> on 6/15/05 2:23 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> If i
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:
>
> > Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self
> reported. The difference
> > between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite.
> It's a catagory
> > difference. Once it is clearly known that
> unboun
On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:
> Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self reported. The difference
> between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. It's a catagory
> difference. Once it is clearly known that unbounded is not a 'really
> big space', and that eternal is n
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've seen few signs of "newly awakened" on this group. In fact,
> > quite the opposite, unless one assumes that the habitual responses
> > o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > There is a substantial group of the 'newly aw
Sparaig.
Are you from Norway? This is one of the Histories one Purusha from
Norway is telling.
Ingegerd
> > > Sounds like standard business practices, although not
necessarily
> > > good ones. MMY used to tell people that they had a
responsibility to
> > > inform him when his OWN behavior was
It is summer in Norway, and I have vacation. What am I going to do? I
am going to initiate a lot of people into Transcendental Meditation.
I wish you all a good summer.
Ingegerd
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> .>
> > Um, OK, but how do you know that
on 6/17/05 7:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Neither was I. I was merely pointing out that their decision to get
> away from the TMO may be the right one for THEM, but may not say
> anything about anyone who choses to stay around.
I totally agree with you for once. Staying in the T
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> .>
> > Um, OK, but how do you know that the, obvious to me at least,
> testing
> > of the rajas by giving them silly titles and making them wear silly
> > outfits is NOT a response to the self-importance of Deepak Ch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/17/05 4:29 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like standard business practices, although not necessarily
> > good ones. MMY used to tell people that they had a responsibility to
> > inform him w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/17/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> No, I was just saying that with decades of meditation under one's
> > belt, the
> >> liberating influence of breaking free from a situation which
> > enc
.>
> Um, OK, but how do you know that the, obvious to me at least,
testing
> of the rajas by giving them silly titles and making them wear silly
> outfits is NOT a response to the self-importance of Deepak Chopra?
Oh, My God! Spare me!
Ingegerd>
>
> > >
> > > It's a response to Chopra, I th
Of course,you have no idea what experiences Bevan or anyone else "in
charge" of the TMO has had or not-had because, being good Maharishi-
ites, they don't discuss them in public without MMY's authorization.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my
on 6/17/05 4:29 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Sounds like standard business practices, although not necessarily
> good ones. MMY used to tell people that they had a responsibility to
> inform him when his OWN behavior was offending Gurudev's dignity. I
> take it that such discussions
on 6/17/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> No, I was just saying that with decades of meditation under one's
> belt, the
>> liberating influence of breaking free from a situation which
> encourages or
>> imposes entrenched thinking may be sufficient to tip one over the
> edge. O
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/15/05 9:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> on 6/15/05 2:23 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> If
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/15/05 8:33 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> on 6/15/05 5:35 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > I've seen few signs of "newly awakened" on this group. In fact,
> > quite the opposite, unless one assumes that the habitual
responses
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, I was just saying that with decades of meditation under one's
> belt, the liberating influence of breaking free from a situation
> which encourages or imposes entrenched thinking may be sufficient
> to tip one ove
on 6/15/05 9:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> on 6/15/05 2:23 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it jeopardizes the company, you bet it gets dealt with somehow.
> If
>>> it
doesn't,
on 6/15/05 8:33 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> on 6/15/05 5:35 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> CC is "baby" awakening. Cessation of identification of
> consciousness with
>>> mind. E
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > There is a substantial group of the 'newly aw
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've seen few signs of "newly awakened" on this group. In fact,
> quite the opposite, unless one assumes that the habitual responses
> of the newly awakened include knee-jerk criticism of an
organization
> they no long
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It does seem rather ironic that a spiritual movement who's
> > primary goal is enlightenment does not encourage its members
> > to t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Since "purity of the teaching" is and always has been
> > MMY's most important focus, he's been willing to tolerate less-than-
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > on 6/15/05 2:23 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > There is a substantial group of the 'newly awakened' here writing
> > on FFL, willing to stick their necks out. How many of them ar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > His crack smoking and 'ho running.
> > >
> > > Which personal behavior of MMY's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Have you ever seen the signs (eeg studies etc...) of any other
people
> > besides TMers. Did you even take a look at
> > Ken_Stops_His_Brainwaves.wmv that Vaj posted? Pretty impressive.
>
> I'm afraid that was a c
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, it is not a response to Chopra.
How do you know?
> The purpose of an organisation - is to organize on all levels.
> Ingegerd
>
Um, OK, but how do you know that the, obvious to me at least, testing
of the rajas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[...]
> > You can always organize a study of "newly awakened" former TMers
and
> > compare their physiology to the ongoing participants in the
p
: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices /
Ethics
another 'air sign', with coffee...ok, here goes:I had
a slightly different experience with the movement, in that I was always very
open about my experiences- with Guru Dev and other s
another 'air sign', with coffee...ok, here goes:
I had a slightly different experience with the movement, in that I
was always very open about my experiences- with Guru Dev and other
stuff, like the time a Gita study class was going on, everyone in a
circle and I saw tendrils of energy or smoke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It does seem rather ironic that a spiritual movement who's
> primary goal is enlightenment does not encourage its members
> to talk about their experiences regarding this goal. I've always
> seen this as a politica
In my early days in the TMO from '72 to '78 there always was some structured activity for people to share and talk about their experiences. This was not discouraged in the least. But starting with the big Amherst course in '79 this pretty much stopped. It does seem rather ironic that a spiritua
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Since "purity of the teaching" is and always has been
> MMY's most important focus, he's been willing to tolerate less-than-
> creative individuals because they're the ones most likely to follow
> the "purity of the te
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on 6/15/05 2:23 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> If it jeopardizes the company, you bet it gets dealt with somehow.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> There is a substantial group of the 'newly awakened' here writing
> on FFL, willing to stick their necks out. How many of them are
> still closely associated with the TMO?
And there is a good reason for this. If
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> His crack smoking and 'ho running.
> >
> > Which personal behavior of MMY's has jeapordized the TMO?
> >
Ture, I'm sure, but I think it is MMY's practice of
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