[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality v Creed

..members of Congress who identify as Christian – in the 115th Congress, 91% of members were Christian, Christians are overrepresented, according to Pew, given that just 71 percent of all U.S. adults describe themselves as Christians. But by far the largest difference between the U.S.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality v Creed

Wisdom v Creed.. The New Congress: One notable finding is that members of Congress are more likely to claim a religious affiliation than is the public at large. CQ Roll Call finds that more than 99 percent of the Republican members identify as Christian, as opposed to 78 percent of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality v Creed

Wisdom v Creed.. For instance, Xian Wisdom Spirituality.. Xian (Chinese: 仙/仚/僊; pinyin: xiān; Wade–Giles: hsien) is a Chinese word for an enlightened person, translatable in English as: "spiritually immortal; transcendent; super-human; celestial being" (in Daoist philosophy and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Actually Maharishi was a Transcendentalist, spiritually by experience. I knew him. The religion was culturally something else. Some Buddhist are transcendentalists by spirituality too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You have included a number of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

You have included a number of things here as examples of how you are defining "spiritual." MMY was Hindu. In Hinduism as in Christianity, the existence of a personal "soul" is assumed. So, are you saying that all persons are spiritual because they have a "soul" and a "birthright" to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

emily.mae50 writes: The word "spiritual" always amuses me. Re: "for spiritual people." How do you define "spiritual?" In 1957, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said of Spirituality that: 'Spiritual development is the birthright of everyone, for it is the unfoldment of the essential nature of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

The Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.. -Thomas Jefferson Yes, of the Unified Field the laws of Nature yet work in mysterious ways. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Dear God, may Trump fall flat on his ugly mug." Scientifically, stopping to pray may not be as effective as taking a 'quiet-time' or 'quiet-in' meditation, according to the Bible.. Matthew Ch:6 6 But thou, when thou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

"Dear God, may Trump fall flat on his ugly mug." Scientifically, stopping to pray may not be as effective as taking a 'quiet-time' or 'quiet-in' meditation, according to the Bible.. Matthew Ch:6 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : FairfieldLife, “Not the customary analysis of politics and economics but a conversation about spiritual questions. What did it mean for our spiritual lives?” Back_formore writes: Dear God, may Trump fall flat on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

FairfieldLife, “Not the customary analysis of politics and economics but a conversation about spiritual questions. What did it mean for our spiritual lives?” Back_formore writes: Dear God, may Trump fall flat on his ugly mug. Is there a God? (See Doug, we are a spiritual group.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Atma is Universal Self. ‘There is no miracle. There is nothing from outside that comes to make the mind open to its own reality, which is the Atman, which is his Self, Unified Field of Natural Law—by nature, by nature, by nature. There is no miracle; it’s by nature. Transcendental Meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

# ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The all-pervading Soul 15. As oil in sesame seeds, as butter in cream, As water in River-beds, and as fire in the friction-sticks So is the Soul (Atman) apprehended in one's own soul, If one looks for Him with true

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

The all-pervading Soul 15. As oil in sesame seeds, as butter in cream, As water in River-beds, and as fire in the friction-sticks So is the Soul (Atman) apprehended in one's own soul, If one looks for Him with true austerity (tapas). -Svetasvatarea Upanishad First Adhyaya #

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

16. The Soul (Atman) which pervades all things As butter is contained in cream, Which is rooted in self-knowledge and austerity- This is Brahma, the highest mystic teaching (upanishad) This is Brahma, the highest mystic teaching. -Svetasvatarea Upanishad First Adhyaya ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

What does mysticism really mean? It means the way to attain knowledge. It's close to philosophy, except in philosophy you go horizontally while in mysticism you go vertically. -Elie Wiesel “If therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light” (Matthew 6:22).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

If you do not make an effort to know truth, to perceive it beneath the veils that hide it, you will not discover your own real nature and will therefore remain at the mercy of outside forces of “circumstances.” In Meditation behold the start of divine wisdom, that its rays disclose the truth

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Cultivating Spirituality in Collective Meditation.. Long before the TM movement ever came to Iowa there came a preceding movement of transcendentalism. This was a recognized and practiced group by its own long line in history, practiced in the cultivation of transcendent spirituality by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Long before Swami Vivkananda, Yogananda and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi came along to the West came others as teaching transcendentalists, preceding them in a sequence. In Europe there was a long lineage of the equivalent in European transcendentalist spiritual satsanga and ashram-like spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

On December 31, 1957, celebrating the Conference of Spiritual Luminaries of India, Maharishi inaugurated the Spiritual Regeneration Movement in Madras, India, to spiritually regenerate the world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yep, in a line of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Long before the TM movement came along to Iowa, like a manifesting destiny transcendentalism as a movement in its own long line was recognized and practiced as a cultivation of spirituality by group meditation. At the time of Iowa pioneer settlement of the 1830's and 1840's the old Quakers

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Yep, in a line of transcendentalists Elias Hicks carried the banner in satsang a generation before Emerson. In their day actually they were widely heard and followed penetrating the contemporary thought. Considering the size and population of America then they were in about as far as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Well, in a line Maharishi's transcendentalism message a hundred years before was carried forward as American Transcendentalism by Emerson and the American transcendentalist satsanga at the time. Same message of populist transcendentalism was carried then as seems always has been carried in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

I wonder if little Mahesh ever got the inkling as he was sitting in school, for example, that he would one day grow up to become a famous spiritual teacher? The times have definitely favored his message, and so many of us have been influenced by this one man. It could have been anybody (though

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Thanks - I like this broader context of the transcendental wave running through time and consciousness, with some of us picking it up (again and again) as it comes by. Perhaps the efficiency of the TM technique (diving deeply, precisely, and quickly, 2 x 20) speaks to this age, where we don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

I have no problem with differing meditation systems having a consistent EEG pattern, and that very likely each system will have a different pattern. The question is what does that pattern mean in terms of experience and knowledge and living life. I like research, it can tell us a lot, but in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

A few studies on Ch'an and Zen seen to show the same general pattern. On the other hand, other studies on CH'an and Zen don't. This goes along with the idea that teaching meditation is generally an art, and Maharishi's greatest accomplishment was to create technicians who could produce

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 8/11/2014 8:27 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have no problem with differing meditation systems having a consistent EEG pattern, and that very likely each system will have a different pattern. The question is what does that pattern mean in terms of experience and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. You can pontificate all you want, but measurable physical activity trumps philosophy every time, or so I believe. Here's a fine example of how far apart two practices can be, both of which are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Meditation-Related Psychosis Almost all of us posting to Fairfield Life are practising TM or at some point practised TM. So we can conclude that the way we are now is in some way related to TM practice. We are the poster-child

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Meditation-Related Psychosis Almost all of us posting to Fairfield Life are practising TM or at some point practised TM. So we can conclude that the way we are now is in some way related to TM practice. We are the poster-child

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today Comparison of Techniques - David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. Saying this over and over again, Lawson, isn't going to make it true. /“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

to ignore reality and claim that negative is positive that makes the TM world such a unique place for sure. From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. Saying this over and over again, Lawson, isn't going to make it true. /“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

/meditation/art-20045858 *From:* sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis scientific research has now

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 8/10/2014 10:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. You can pontificate all you want, but measurable physical activity trumps philosophy every time, or so I believe. It's almost like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis   scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today Comparison

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today Comparison of Techniques - David W. Orme-Johnson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. Saying this over and over again,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: As for my reply to Lawson, he's been droning this for years. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with TM just that one shoe size does not fit all. I think Maharishi knew that and figured if it didn't work for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 8/10/2014 2:52 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

Saying that I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong. I can cite study after study showing a consistent EEG pattern for TM. I can cite study after study showing a consistent, but different-than-TM, EEG pattern for mindfulness. I can cite study after study showing a consistent, but

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

-procedures/meditation/in-depth/meditation/art-20045858 From: srijau@... mailto:srijau@... srijau@... mailto:srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 08/10/2014 05:00 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:52 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

-20045858 *From:* srijau@... mailto:srijau@... srijau@... mailto:srijau@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

On 8/10/2014 9:12 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 05:00 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:52 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'

[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality of self.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Did Danial Boone have a family? You know, was he also a family man? Did he get along with people in some form or was it all 'rip-off or be ripped-off' on the frontier? Are you implying that ole Dan'l wore a con-skin cap? :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: spirituality of self.

Axe-holes and con-skins. We certainly are creating our own culture here at FFL. What next, intellectual vibe-wation if Share is to be believed. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

I think Religion is a bi-product of spirituality, as opposed to sprituality being a bi-product of religion. First you have spirituality. Someone achieves great spiritual development and achieves a great deal of admiration. So a bunch of people follow that person, record his thoughts and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: I think Religion is a bi-product of spirituality, as opposed to sprituality being a bi-product of religion. It is very difficult to gain *proficiency* in Religion without spirituality, this is true, that is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

And how does that person 'achieve' great spiritual development?, through a Religion developed by someone who achieved great spiritual development, and on and on it goes, religion leads to spirituality which is the substance of religion. FWIW. :-) Not necessarily. Eckhart Tolle, from what

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

Additionally, the suggestion that one is 'spiritual' and not Religious, generally means one does not follow any 'sectarian' Religion, but some take it a step further and suggest that Religion itself doesn't even lead to spirituality which is ridiculous. Life itself leads to spirituality, true

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

(Generally, you don't BECOME spiritual without practicing some form of Religion, today, most people who claim to be 'spiritual' (as opposed to Religious) *ARE* practicing some from of discipline i.e. RELIGION). Bhairitu: Religion is for sheeple... Religion is for the 99%;

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The misery in the world is because we throw away the banana and are holding on to the skin.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

I had not really thought about this. I found an article on about.com (http://atheism.about.com/od/religionnonreligion/a/spirituality.htm) that discusses this point - it implies this distinction between spirituality and religion is mainly an American (US) phenomenon. My question here is, if an

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The misery in the world is because we throw away the banana and are holding on to the skin. Hear hear. Either that or religion is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

Dude, is that coffee shop a little smokey this morning? Are you saying that religious people are usually dicks? Hear hear. Either that or religion is the condom and spirituality is the dick. Religions that involve a lot of costumes and dress-up are like French ticklers. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I had not really thought about this. I found an article on about.com (http://atheism.about.com/od/religionnonreligion/a/spirituality.htm) that discusses this point - it implies this distinction between

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The misery in the world is because we throw away the banana and are holding on to the skin. Or, fixating on the finger pointing at the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

I think what Turq is trying to say is that ALL of life itself, is Religion, either it is poorly practiced Religion or Wisely practiced Religion. Because life itself is a form of school and learning (through the experience of opposites) whose purpose is to bring all human Beings to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@ wrote: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The misery in the world is because we throw away the banana and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@ wrote: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The misery in the world is because we throw away

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: I think what Turq is trying to say is that ALL of life itself, is Religion, either it is poorly practiced Religion or Wisely practiced Religion. Au contraire, Pierre. What Turq is trying to say is that in his opinion religion

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

'wgm4u' I am quoting from two different posts here (Turq Xeno). I think you are missing something here. I cannot really speak for Turq, but to take a shot, what he says is often a lot less than what he has been assumed to have said, that is, you have over-interpreted whatever his intent might

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: 'wgm4u' I am quoting from two different posts here (Turq Xeno). I think you are missing something here. I cannot really speak for Turq, but to take a shot, what he says is often a lot less than what he

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

Fair enough. Regards Krishnamurti and Tolle. I think Krishnamurti's style of communicating his experience to others was largely confusing, though now I get what he was saying much better than in years past. Tolle does fare better, and is rather charming to listen to, so you get a sense of what

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

Q: Dear Guruji, I have never been a spiritual or a true religious person. How can I learn to let go and believe? Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: You don't have to label yourself- I am spiritual, religious person etc. No need for it. Just be natural, beautiful, good human being. That's it! If someone is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: pirituality once and for all. Is it possible to have a spiritual experience without the presence of and outside of the confines of a religion? Of course it is. Many of the founders of what later became religions did

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

http://www.fantasygallery.net/fishel/art_6_ENCHANTED-ENCOUNTER.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Right on, Buck. Incredibly simple isn't it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: When the mind stops talking, one is aware that one is life. One is immersed in it rather than being on the surface, talking about it. Paradoxically this enables full participation. With diminution of egocentricity, the joy of freedom and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

Right on, Buck. Incredibly simple isn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: When the mind stops talking, one is aware that one is life. One is immersed in it rather than being on the surface, talking about it. Paradoxically this enables full participation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Right on, Buck. Incredibly simple isn't it? Yep, take the time. The true path is meeting our eyes even now. Just attend to what is actually going on -but keep it simple and keep it clear. Just open your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Right on, Buck. Incredibly simple isn't it? Yep, take the time. The true path is meeting our eyes even now. Just attend to what is actually going on -but keep it simple and keep it clear.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Right on, Buck. Incredibly simple isn't it? Yep, take the time. The true path is meeting our eyes even now. Just attend to what is actually going on -but keep it simple and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Ghetto style

All I can say Rav, is that given a choice, I going to come down on I might call the Believer side of the equation. Higher Power is mystery to me, and one that I am no hurry to solve. But I am not going to deny my own experience. You are ruthless, though oftentimes funny in your pointed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Ghetto style

Thank you Steveji. Like I said I wouldn't use the words believers and non-believers since even the so called Skeptics have some kind of belief in their lives. Belief in themselves, may be their spouse, kids and family, belief that the plane they boarded in Fairfield will land in Amsterdam. In fact

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip David's publishing record has taken a kind of downward turn of late. Last article I heard of was in a pseudoscience/ paranormal/UFO journal IIRC. In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

Vaj: Here's a good article on TM research you may have missed, by award-winning writer Andrew Skolnick: Is this the same Andrew Skolnick that got fired from one of the scientific research journals recently for publishing untruths and getting sued by Deepak Chopra? So, a 'lucid dream' is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality and science

If I might ask, Buck, who do you think you are talking to? Could one of the people possibly be the person who asked some pointed questions to the person who keeps trotting out the phrase, They just lack spiritual experience about his *own* personal spiritual experience? If so, I'll answer after

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You are trying to make a case that you can make a low level vetting decision and I am not buying it. Yes, I know. You're using your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Ahem. If this were true, wouldn't YOU be using your epistemic hubris to claim that something *you know nothing about* is *not* a scam? Ignorance and deception will always find a breeding ground in hidden areas of science. Nowhere are such

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You are trying to make a case that you can make a low level

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Ahem. If this were true, wouldn't YOU be using your epistemic hubris to claim that something *you know nothing about* is *not* a scam? Ignorance and deception will always

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Judy: And now we've reached the point in the exchange where Curtis realizes he has no legitimate ammunition, so he starts to make shit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:23 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: See above where I said make shit up and try to stuff it in my mouth? Where exactly did I tout, or even hint at, my credentials or training in this field? Nowhere. You are trying to make a case that you can make a low level vetting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

You are trying to make a case that you can make a low level vetting decision and I am not buying it. So we are just arguing about where your lack of knowledge comes to play here. Vaj: One thing you can count on David O-J for is a good chuckle. As usual: he delivers... Maybe you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip If these allegedly advanced TMers aren't also lucid dreaming, it doesn't sound like they've actually developed a real witness- consciousness. Vaj might want to read a paper by Gackenbach, a leading lucidity researcher

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip [Curtis wrote:] I am so impressed with your credentials in this field. You are just another person who mistakes intelligence for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

Judy: And now we've reached the point in the exchange where Curtis realizes he has no legitimate ammunition, so he starts to make shit up and try to stuff it in my mouth, his standard tactic when up against the wall. Such integrity. (Doesn't it ever occur to him that the shit is going to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Judy: And now we've reached the point in the exchange where Curtis realizes he has no legitimate ammunition, so he starts to make shit up and try to stuff it in my mouth, his standard tactic when up against

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I have no way to evaluate the two German editor's background Yes, you do. You could look them up on the Web, as I did. . . .

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I have no way to evaluate the two German editor's background

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality Indicated Scientifically

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I don't share your confidence in my ability to

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On Apr 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: What say the doubters, quitters and poor in spiritual experience here to this? Is this research no good too? Just wondering. First of all what part of

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip David's publishing record has taken a kind of downward turn of late. Last article I heard of was in a pseudoscience/ paranormal/UFO journal IIRC. In fact, what O-J published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration was not a

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: What say the doubters, quitters and poor in spiritual experience here to this? What say they TO WHOM? Possibly to insufferably elitist assholes who consider themselves better than those who moved on past the spiritual

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