[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-14 Thread whynotnow7
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Spiritual development, call it what you will, seems directed to allowing a person to have a single irrefutable experience that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 12, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: There are experiences, but do all experiences reside in thinking (that is conceptual thinking, naming things etc.)? Conceptual thinking creates an analogue of non-verbal, direct experience, a description that seems to have some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Part of the problem is there are entire swaths of our own mental landscape that we're not familiar with. In a mental technique, as awareness of mentation expands into other areas, there's always the danger that we'll attach some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: snip Just curious. Do you find all channeled knowledge as bunk? Just asking. I don't have an ulterior motive. I have on occassion gotten value from this venue (reading books) in the past, but haven't gone that route

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip Just curious. Do you find all channeled knowledge as bunk? Just asking. I don't have an ulterior motive. I have on occassion gotten value from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip Just curious. Do you find all channeled knowledge as bunk? Just asking. I don't have an ulterior motive. I have on occassion gotten value from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread whynotnow7
*When I say resonated I am saying that among the Hindu pantheon of deities it also the feminine I have had the greatest affinity for, as in Durga. I don't think she would not fit anyone's description of dainty (-: Durga kicks ass! Very cool - yeah, I have been finding it fascinating for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:56 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Just curious. Do you find all channeled knowledge as bunk? Just asking. I don't have an ulterior motive. I have on occassion gotten value from this venue (reading books) in the past, but haven't gone that route (or any route for that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I realize that people writing from the level of discursive thoughts can say very helpful, insightful, wise and worthwhile things. That's what a good fiction author does. So it's no surprise that just about anyone can do it in a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip Just curious. Do you find all channeled knowledge as bunk? Just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: The question is, are these insights you couldn't have found from non-channeled sources? Descriptions of changing patterns in the course of spiritual development are, forgive me, a dime a dozen, as are feminine perspectives on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:09 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I realize that people writing from the level of discursive thoughts can say very helpful, insightful, wise and worthwhile things. That's what a good fiction author does. So

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread seventhray1
Thanks. Now wouldn't that make a good opening scene for a movie! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: You can read most of the chapter (Wheel of Protection, p. 193) on Amazon for free. What I'd do is go to Look Inside, put in the word oracle and look for the page

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The question is, are these insights you couldn't have found from non-channeled sources? Descriptions of changing patterns in the course of spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote [from various posts; hopefully I am not scrambling his intent by this selection]: Part of the problem is there are entire swaths of our own mental landscape that we're not familiar with. In a mental technique, as awareness of mentation expands into other areas,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: And more power to you. Insight's where you find it. The only way it might matter, it seems to me, would be if one gave special weight to channeled insights because of the purported source (which you're not doing), rather than

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip Spiritual development, call it what you will, seems directed to allowing a person to have a single irrefutable experience that settles the matter of the mystery of existence on the basis of their own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-12 Thread WillyTex
But enlightenment is not a thought process, it's not of the mind...It's getting beyond the mind, as experienced by transcending thought, by transcending the mantra... Anartaxius: ...experience does contain thoughts regardless of whether one is before or after that event.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-12 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
WillyTex willytex@... Wrote: Only one statement can be made with certainty concerning Ultimate Reality: we *assume* that we exist. It's obvious that our entire existence is based on thinking, ergo, consciousness or an experience of awareness that we call thinking or reasoning. We are aware of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-12 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: WillyTex willytex@ Wrote: Only one statement can be made with certainty concerning Ultimate Reality: we *assume* that we exist. It's obvious that our entire existence is based on thinking, ergo,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-11 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
I have a few comments to make to those who responded to my first post to this forum before this thread is closed. Thank you for responding. Attempting to figure out what is going on here will probably take me a bit of time. There are obviously persons on the forum who seem to know each

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-10 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I agree we need some conditioning to refine our discrimination towards that we are seeking. As for putting that coherently so that everyone gets it? I dunno, a fool's errand perhaps- Seems like if someone is going to get it,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-09 Thread seventhray1
Kudos to you Ravi for reading these long articles. Who said anything about some kind of ADD for the Ravster? No sir. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Nice article. I would say not to intellectualize or philosophize too much(sushka tarka - dry logic),

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-09 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Ravi Yogi wrote: [In a response to a rather long post about the supposed 'path' of enlightenment, not repeated here] The important factors in the non-journey journey are: * Three S's of spirituality - Satsang (company of the enlightened), Seva (service to Guru or God)and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-09 Thread yifuxero
below: ...is there a generic way to describe the journey of Enlightenment?. Yes, How to Attain Enlightenment...by James Swarz at http://www.shiningworld.com. ... Then read Back to the Truth, 5000 Years of Advaita by Dennis Waite, http://www.advaita.org/uk ... Along with the 3 S's of course.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-09 Thread Robert
(snip) One would think that a group that discussed at length recently no mantra, no thoughts would have a bit more room for a few more thoughts. More thoughts on the subject would provide the intellect with more room to play, to attempt to 'pin down' what enlightenment 'Is'... But

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-09 Thread whynotnow7
Hi Xeno, I've been enjoying your posts, though I am not sure there is a way to greatly simplify the language and ways we discuss enlightenment. Somehow the desire to get there leads both to the diversity of expression about the pathless path, and the agility to ultimately make one's way through

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-09 Thread Ravi Yogi
Thanks Steve, but I have never had or been accused of ADD. I patiently read emails unless I see deceptive content which mock and ridicule others belief - usually from the troika, then it really triggers my real ADD - Attention Detest (for) Dimwits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-09 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Ravi Yogi uses a number of special terms in his response to me, most of which I do not know, and was kind enough to amplify them so I could grasp what they connoted. Sorry I just used them so I could come

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendence and Descriptive Language

2011-03-08 Thread Ravi Yogi
Nice article. I would say not to intellectualize or philosophize too much(sushka tarka - dry logic), otherwise you will just end deceiving yourself - a la Vakrabuddhi or the Trickster. A thirsty man doesn't start reading books on water, types of water, the manufacturers, suppliers, etc. - he