[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [...] I always thought the TMO should publish ALL TM research -- both

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public excuse for the OJs. So why were they told to leave? (OJ's and Goldmans) I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, but still knew only a

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? We don't know if he did or did not. If you had read the book, you would know. Wilber mentions the 'dirty

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, So, Mark, you spent almost your entire life

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Precisely what I was trying to convey, thanks for sharing your own experience. Mark just admitted that after decades of poking around, he still hardly knows anything, and he lived in Fairfield for years, a town you apparently never even visited. From what I've read, you haven't been

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
Hi Willy: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? We don't know if he did or did not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Apparently not. I've read all of the TM-ex stuff posted on Usenet by Lon P. Stacks, Steve Perino, John Manning, Robert Kropinsky, John Knapp, Don Krieger, and Mike Doughney, several times, and there's no 'low down' information

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:59 AM, sparaig wrote: Hmmm, so you're saying that the TM-ex groups, among others, haven't maintained webpages for years on thte inner secret dirty laundry of TM and MMY and that the Wikipedia article on TM doesn't link to them? Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Some. I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. I had the impression that the TM-ex material had changed little in years. Am I incorrect

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for reminding me. Trancenet is no longer available on the Internet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: I have no plans to read it, esp. as I don't particularly like reading KW. Well, you read it here - Wilber hasn't made any comments on the 'low down' on the Marshy, except in his book 'Spiritual Choices'. He's much more enjoyable on video or recent audio. Better in person. I'd

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Some. I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. I had the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has the 'low down' on the Marshy? Actually I said the opposite of what you're claiming: What is

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has the 'low down' on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research by Ken Wilber that I can find in any of Wilber's books or tapes is contained in his introduction to 'Spiritual Choices' - it's in most public libraries. However, I would

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: They don't maintain the websites any more that I can tell. Trancenet has been down for a couple of years - Minit Org (Meditation Information Network) hasn't been updated since at least 1994. However, Mike Doughney and John Knapp drop in every once in a while on Usenet to try and

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you've really got nothing. Skin boys don't know Jack. If insiders like Rick and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/5/06 11:20 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you've

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at bmorry2000@ wrote: Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with the new administration, Bevan, and people who had come from Europe, to take over

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co- authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Maybe Wilbur takes the attitude that alot of still-practitioners-of- TM, like myself, on this forum take: the practise is the practise and whether MMY is a mass-murderer doesn't change whether the practise works or not. Rely on the teaching,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Isn't it all pretty much on this forum and its archives, available to all and any with a computer and an internet link? Yes, but it is in a scattered and somewhat disconnected fashion. What we should have for posterity is an authentic inside

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research by Ken Wilber that I can find in any of Wilber's books or tapes is contained in

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Maybe Wilbur takes the attitude that alot of still-practitioners- of- TM, like myself, on this forum take: the practise is the practise and whether MMY is a mass-murderer

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Isn't it all pretty much on this forum and its archives, available to all and any with a computer and an internet link? Yes, but it is in a scattered and somewhat

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 11:20 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. The information here sucks, big

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/5/06 2:32 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Maharishi doesn't have a Jackie in his life. He had many Jackies, as did JFK. And one of them claims to have written a book which she'll publish after he dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
authfriend wrote: This guy is the resident troll over on alt.m.t. Would you get a load of this little lady - she thinks she owns the Internet! Usenet is unmoderated; anyone can post anything they want to. Resident troll - that's a good one, Judy! Thanks for the compliment - I was wondering

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.truthabouttm.org//truth/Home/index.cfm I think Rick mentioned that Orme-Johnson sometimes visits this forum? If so, I have some advice for him: change the name of your website, Dave, because as soon as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.truthabouttm.org//truth/Home/index.cfmI think Rick mentioned that Orme-Johnson sometimes visits this forum?If so, I have some advice for him: change the name of your

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread bmorry2000
Let's see how the TMO gets out of the MUM campus murder lawsuits I guess that David O.J. would not count settling out of court as counting against the TMO. Indedependent website, my ass. Someone told him to do it, you can be sure..Maybe to get back into the fold, because, after all,

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see how the TMO gets out of the MUM campus murder lawsuits I guess that David O.J. would not count settling out of court as counting against the TMO. Indedependent website, my ass. Someone told him to

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:24 AM, bmorry2000 wrote: Let's see how the TMO gets out of the MUM campus murder lawsuits I guess that David O.J. would not count settling out of court as counting against the TMO.

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: http://www.truthabouttm.org//truth/Home/index.cfm I think Rick mentioned that Orme-Johnson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:16 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" stephen4359@ wrote: http://www.truthabouttm.org//truth/Home/index.cfm I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/4/06 2:10 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.truthabouttm.org//truth/Home/index.cfm I think Rick mentioned that Orme-Johnson sometimes visits this forum? I forwarded your post to him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:16 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: http://www.truthabouttm.org//truth/Home/index.cfm I think Rick mentioned that Orme-Johnson

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/4/06 2:10 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: http://www.truthabouttm.org//truth/Home/index.cfm I think Rick mentioned

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: At least with oil companies and cigarette companies everyone knows it's their job to try and sell their wares and there is that implicit understanding when we see their PR propaganda. But an organisation that aspires to spiritually regenerate

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/4/06 8:24 AM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see how the TMO gets out of the MUM campus murder lawsuits I guess that David O.J. would not count settling out of court as counting against the TMO. Indedependent website, my ass. Someone told him to do it, you can be

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/4/06 8:24 AM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see how the TMO gets out of the MUM campus murder lawsuits I guess that David O.J. would not count settling out of court as counting against

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken Wilber--who used to support TM (esp. Skip Alexander's) research. Now he seems to be wising up too--not even knowing all the extent of all the fallacies and chicanery. Is

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you suggesting that TM helps in the mastering the intricacies of watercolor technique? :-) It will, Vaj; it will. It will help in the mastery of anything you set your mind to, whether this is an attempt to cut a plank of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:46 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken Wilber--who used to support TM (esp. Skip Alexander's) research. Now he seems to be wising up too--not even knowing all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:46 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken Wilber--who used to support TM (esp. Skip Alexander's)

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see how the TMO gets out of the MUM campus murder lawsuits I guess that David O.J. would not count settling out of court as counting against the TMO. Indedependent website, my ass. Someone told him to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 4:53 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:46 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken Wilber--who used to support TM (esp. Skip Alexander's) research. Now he seems to be wising up too--not even knowing all the extent of all the fallacies and chicanery. From what I've read, both of Ken Wilber's parents practice TM, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Ken also has practiced TM, so he is familiar with it in terms of the spectrum of practice. authfriend wrote: Is this on the Web? Could you provide a link, please? Don't have a link, but you might be interested in reading Ken Wilber's Forward to Peter Russell's book, 'The Conciousness

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: At least with oil companies and cigarette companies everyone knows it's their job to try and sell their wares and there is that implicit understanding when we see their PR

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken Wilber--who used to support TM (esp. Skip Alexander's) research. Now he seems to be wising up too--not even knowing all the extent of all the fallacies and chicanery. From

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Ken also has practiced TM, so he is familiar with it in terms of the spectrum of practice. authfriend wrote: Is this on the Web? Could you provide a link, please? Don't have a link, but you might be interested in reading Ken

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Like most of us, Ken was supportive with what he knew at first Well, no, Ken was not supportive of TM at first, to the contrary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 6:40 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:snip  Like most of us, Ken was supportive with what he knew at firstWell, no, "Ken" was not supportive of TM at first,to the contrary.Not sure what you mean. Can you quote a source? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:16 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: At least with oil companies and cigarette companies everyone knows it's their job to try and sell their wares and there is that implicit understanding when we see their PR

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/4/06 8:24 AM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see how the TMO gets out of the MUM campus murder lawsuits I guess that David O.J. would not count settling out of court as counting against

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 6:58 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: At least with oil companies and cigarette companies everyone knows it's their job to try and sell their wares and there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken Wilber--who used to support TM (esp. Skip Alexander's) research. Now he seems to be wising up

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Are you suggesting that TM helps in the mastering the intricacies of watercolor technique? :-) It will, Vaj; it will. It will help in the mastery of

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:46 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I'm just reading some recent comments by Ken Wilber--who used to support TM (esp. Skip Alexander's)

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 6:40 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip Like most of us, Ken was supportive with what he knew at first Well, no, Ken was not supportive of TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip First time I've heard that Ken Wilbur has learned TM. He may not have learned it in the official manner, but he does speak of it as though he'd practiced something he believed was TM. To subscribe, send a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:02 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Are you suggesting that TM helps in the mastering the intricacies of watercolor technique? :-) It

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:04 PM, sparaig wrote: First time I've heard that Ken Wilbur has learned TM. See his description of CC and TM at: http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php? option=com_contenttask=viewid=2288 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:02 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Are you suggesting that TM helps in

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:04 PM, sparaig wrote: First time I've heard that Ken Wilbur has learned TM. See his description of CC and TM at: http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php? option=com_contenttask=viewid=2288

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Vaj
On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:12 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:04 PM, sparaig wrote:  First time I've heard that Ken Wilbur has learned TM.   See his description of CC and TM at:  http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:04 PM, sparaig wrote: First time I've heard that Ken Wilbur has learned TM. See his description of CC and TM at:

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread bmorry2000
Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public excuse for the OJs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/4/06 8:24 AM, bmorry2000 at bmorry2000@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public excuse for the OJs. So why were they told to leave? (OJ's and Goldmans) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:12 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:04 PM, sparaig wrote: First time I've heard that Ken Wilbur has learned TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-04 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In