Re: [Finale] No key signature on contemporary score

2004-01-11 Thread Eden - Lawrence D.
I agree with John on the trumpet issue. In my quintet, I write the more classical arrangements for C trumpets, but occasionally, I need the darker timbre of the Bb. Also, the Bb offers another step lower in terms of what I can write. I write jazz and pop charts for Bb trumpets, but sometimes my

Re: [Finale] Stem direction

2004-01-11 Thread David H. Bailey
I make the middle line stems go down all the time unless the notes are beamed to other notes and then the predominating stem direction takes over. Stems-up quarter and half notes on the middle line look wrong to my eyes. I move the ends of slurs to make them look better than the default

Re: [Finale] No key signature on contemporary score

2004-01-11 Thread Linda Worsley
At 12:19 AM -0500 1/11/04, Raymond Horton wrote: But, even in commercial and quintet gigs I do see players with C trumpets somewhat more than Carl describes. Also, many commercial players I see will have a Bb/A piccolo and, often, one other high trumpet (perhaps a convertible F, Eb, sometimes

Re: [Finale] Stem direction

2004-01-11 Thread Linda Worsley
At 7:48 AM -0500 1/11/04, David H. Bailey wrote: I make the middle line stems go down all the time unless the notes are beamed to other notes and then the predominating stem direction takes over. . . . I wouldn't think of making the stem of the C be an upstem just to make the slur look better.

Re: [Finale] Stem direction

2004-01-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 11.01.2004 12:55 Uhr, d. collins wrote What's your opinion on this rule? And how do you get the slurs to look good if the stems are in opposite directions? If you have several notes with single stems in a row, and most of them are below the middle staff line and there is the occasional one

Re: [Finale] Stem direction

2004-01-11 Thread Cecil Rigby
Dennis wrote: Ted Ross, on the direction of single note stems: Some engravers consider the middle line neutral and take the option of using either up- or down-stems for note that fall on it. However, more up-to-date engraving no longer permits an option; now a down-stem is always

Re: [Finale] No key signature on contemporary score

2004-01-11 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:14 AM 1/11/04 -0500, Linda Worsley wrote: I record mostly serious or :classical music... I call it art music, but honestly there is no good word for it, is there? Art music and serious can apply to many genres, and classical carries too much baggage. Try nonpop as your meta-genre. Some

Re: [Finale] Stem direction

2004-01-11 Thread Cecil Rigby
Johannes wrote: As a side note: Older English publication often show the middle line notes stem up (ie in the old Purcell complete edition). That reminded me to look at my 1st editions of Sir Thomas Moore's volumes of Irish Melodies. Many times in these books the stems are up on the center-line

[Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Randolph Peters
Nonpop goes a certain distance, but it ultimately fails as nomenclature because it only says what it is not rather than what it is. As a non-insect I believe we can do better! -Randolph Peters P.S. Is new music so bad? Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote (in a different subject thread): Art music and

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 11 Jan 2004, at 10:17 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: P.S. Is new music so bad? If that isn't a setup for a punchline, I don't know what is. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn NY ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 11.01.2004 16:17 Uhr, Randolph Peters wrote P.S. Is new music so bad? New Music was a term used by TW Adorno to refer to post-modern(ist) music. Particularly Twelve-Note Music. Unfortunately his book Theorie der Neuen Musik was translated as Theory of Modern Music which is very misleading.

Re: [Finale] Repeating rhythms

2004-01-11 Thread Michael Cook
I don't know of a way to do exactly what you describe. It would be like the rhythmic subdivisions plug-in, but with the possibility of replacing an entry with a specified rhythmic figure instead of just subdividing it into a number of equal parts. I bet one of the plug-in developers could make

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:17 AM 1/11/04 -0600, Randolph Peters wrote: Nonpop goes a certain distance, but it ultimately fails as nomenclature because it only says what it is not rather than what it is. As a non-insect I believe we can do better! But we haven't done so since classical began to fail as a useful term

[Finale] None

2004-01-11 Thread Linda Worsley
At 1:04 PM -0500 1/11/04, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: ...[clip] Now, after 436 additional shows at two hours each, it's become well known. Also, our 100-plus show IDs done for us by composers all use it.) Well, whatever works. But non-pop strikes me as horrible... for a number of reasons,

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Randolph Peters
At 1:04 PM -0500 1/11/04, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: And for those who *do* know, the baggage new music carries is huge and nasty -- there's no term worse, in fact, from a marketing/audience invitation standpoint because new music has caused people to run for the exits for some 90 years now. I'm

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread David H. Bailey
Randolph Peters wrote: Nonpop goes a certain distance, but it ultimately fails as nomenclature because it only says what it is not rather than what it is. As a non-insect I believe we can do better! -Randolph Peters P.S. Is new music so bad? Some of the stuff I've heard is. But than again,

Re: [Finale] Repeating rhythms

2004-01-11 Thread Ole Buck
From: Johannes Gebauer Does anyone know whether there is a simpler way to enter a repeating rhythm in Finale, than to enter every note? The rhythm is half a measure long, that half measure has the same pitches. Then it repeats, with the pitches changing with every repeat. Is there a way to enter

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
I like the german: they have U-Musik and E-Musik. (Unterhaltungsmusik and Ernste Musik, which would roughly translate to music for entertainment and serious music). The attractive thing is that they shorten it to U-Musik and E-Musik. That takes away nearly all the baggage, everyone knows what

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:01 PM 1/11/04 +0200, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: I like the german: they have U-Musik and E-Musik. (Unterhaltungsmusik and Ernste Musik, which would roughly translate to music for entertainment and serious music). The attractive thing is that they shorten it to U-Musik and E-Musik. That

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Exactly. What I meant was that it seems that the shortening of the words is a result of such an impossible task as to name and categorize all pieces of music into white and black. Even more so if you're dealing with a composer or group that has created a lot of different pieces of music. It's the

Re: [Finale] Nonpop?

2004-01-11 Thread Randolph Peters
The thing about the term nonpop is that despite all evidence suggesting that it just ain't gonna happen, I don't have a big problem if my music becomes wildly popular. I suspect that other composers may feel the same way about their music. How about

[Finale] Finale pro needed

2004-01-11 Thread Herman S. Gersten
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Re: [Finale] Repeating rhythms

2004-01-11 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 11, 2004, at 3:14 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Does anyone know whether there is a simpler way to enter a repeating rhythm in Finale, than to enter every note? The rhythm is half a measure long, that half measure has the same pitches. Then it repeats, with the pitches changing with every

Re: [Finale] Stem direction

2004-01-11 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 11, 2004, at 6:27 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: As a side note: Older English publication often show the middle line notes stem up (ie in the old Purcell complete edition). I just finished copying a late 19th century French song in which middle line notes had upstems. I'm pretty sure the