What is the correct order for this group? Also, what is a good
general range for a mezzo-soprano?
If you're writing for a specific singer, ask her! And avoid the trap
of "typical" or "general" ranges for voice types. If it's generic, I
wouldn't go higher than G2 or lower than small a, but more
Hi all:
Looking to tap the collective wisdom on a matter of score
order for a chamber work that I'm currently undertaking. The
orchestration calls for flute, piano and mezzo-soprano. The Setup
wiz would put it in that order, but my mind is telling me that it
should be
Flute
Mezzo-Soprano
Piano
;. Again, YMMV.
Cecil Rigby
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Subject: [Finale] Score Order
Hi all:
Looking to tap the collective wisdom on a matter of score order for a
chamber work that I'm currently undertaking. The orchestration calls for
flut
Subject: [Finale] Score Order
>
> Hi all:
> Looking to tap the collective wisdom on a matter of score order for a
> chamber work that I'm currently undertaking. The orchestration calls for
> flute, piano and mezzo-soprano. The Setup wiz would put it in that order,
> but
Hi all:
Looking to tap the collective wisdom on a matter of score order for a
chamber work that I'm currently undertaking. The orchestration calls for
flute, piano and mezzo-soprano. The Setup wiz would put it in that order,
but my mind is telling me that it should be
Flute
Mezzo-Soprano
Piano
On 3 Jun 2003 at 16:57, John Howell wrote:
> When double-stave instruments like harp, piano, or
> organ were added, they were generally placed just above the strings
> (although there is a single-line organ part with figured bass for the
> Brahms Requiem, and it is placed at the bottom).
That'
Richard Huggins asked:
In the end, does any conductor see enough of a given order that he or she is
"thrown" by a new one, or is it merely a matter of reorienting one's mind
and soon no longer an issue? I'm not asking that rhetorically; I don't know
enough about classical scores to know if there's
At 10:21 AM -0400 6/03/03, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Other than some score that use unusual instrumentation and a totally
different order, I don't recall any orchestral works that put trpts above
horns on the page. Can anyone name any I should know of?
Lejaren Hiller did this all the time. Whether you
Daniel Dorff:
However look at Berlioz scores - he was prone to put the horns in the
woodwind choir rather than with the brass, and he also was particularly
sensitive to orchestration.
There was a lot of confusion in the early 19th c. because the
orchestra was expanding so rapidly. The main compos
Other than some score that use unusual instrumentation and a totally
different order, I don't recall any orchestral works that put trpts above
horns on the page. Can anyone name any I should know of?
Lejaren Hiller did this all the time. Whether you should know of his
orchestral works depends on
haven't there been occasions when trumpets were put above
horns in orchestral scores? Given that, within each division, instruments are
listed in order of descending pitch, isn't there an argument for putting
trumpets above horns?
Regards,
Michae
From: Daniel Dorff:
> Prokofiev is the best known of those who put the Tpts on top, and he
> certainly knew about orchestration.
That's very interesting. I had never taken a notice of that, and I seem to
have no Prokofiev scores here at home. ALL the other mid-20th century
greats that I have l
At 06:11 PM 6/2/2003, Richard Huggins wrote:
>In the end, does any conductor see enough of a given order that he or she is
>"thrown" by a new one, or is it merely a matter of reorienting one's mind
>and soon no longer an issue?
I suppose I *could* get used to any score order, but why make it more
I may not have been right to do so, but what orch's I have done I put horns
below trumpets and above trombones because of their range. Engraving as also
I arrange, it's easier conceptually for me to do that and keep my head
straight about who's playing what.
Granted, though, I certainly could swap
also was particularly
sensitive to orchestration.
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> [Ray Horton:]
>
> >2) Any other order can be disputed. Standard orchestral order really
can't
> >be.
&g
[Ray Horton:]
>2) Any other order can be disputed. Standard orchestral order really can't
>be.
>
>For an example of what I mean by 2), look at brass trio scores (trp, hn,
>trb). Most will put the trpt above the horn, but a few (Poulenc is one, I
>believe) put the horn on top to follow orchestral
[Darcy James Argue:]
>I'm working on engraving a piece with the following instrumentation:
>
>Timp
>Bells/Chimes
>Perc
>Harp
>Piano
>Boy Soprano
>SATB chorus
>Strings
...
>The above order would be (I believe) the standard orchestral order,
>but -- call me biassed, but it looks odd to me to have th
As a pianist who frequently does the vocal and choral preparation for works
with mixed ensemble, here is my version on the score order. This is based
on my frequent need to play chorus and/or solo parts along with the
accompaniment from open score.
Strings
Harp
Soprano and Alto chorus
Boy Sopran
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> > Darcy James Argue wrote:
> >
> > > I'm working on engraving a piece with the following instrumentation:
> > >
> > > Timp
> > > Bells/Chimes
>
, then everything else in orchestral score
order. I'll see that the other ordering gets taken care of...
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At 2:19 AM -0400 6/02/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
My only objection to the percussion-on-top model is it looked,
well... odd to me. Short of scores for percussion only, or just
strings and percussion, I don't think I've ever seen a score with
percussion as the top three staves.
My example fr
At 2:19 AM 06/02/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> Short of scores for percussion only, or just strings and
>percussion, I don't think I've ever seen a score with percussion as the
>top three staves.
Isn't this in pretty much the same category? Just strings, percussion, and
voices. Voices, like st
On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 02:48 AM, Mark D. Lew wrote:
First off, thanks everyone on the score order stuff. Please still let
me know if you think the order I decided on
[chorus/harp/piano/timp/perc/strings] is nuts... I may have second,
third, fourth thoughts on this...
I wouldn't go so far as
At 6:23 PM 06/01/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>My question is, what score order would you choose for this ensemble?
>The above order would be (I believe) the standard orchestral order, but
>-- call me biassed, but it looks odd to me to have the percussion at
>the top like that. I think my instinc
I vote for this, based on making easiest-visible the elements most likely to
need the conductor's attention during the conducting of the piece.
Boy Soprano
SATB Chorus
Piano
Harp
Timp
Bells/Chimes
Perc
Violin 1
Violin 2
Viola
Cello
Contrabass
My rationale: the boy soprano and SATB chorus most
At 6:23 PM -0400 6/01/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I'm working on engraving a piece with the following instrumentation:
Timp
Bells/Chimes
Perc
Harp
Piano
Boy Soprano
SATB chorus
Strings
My question is, what score order would you choose for this ensemble?
The above order would be (I believe) the s
On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 09:40 PM, Ray Horton wrote:
I thought it would make sense to see what Finale's Document Setup
Wizard
would do for this instrumentation in the "Choral" score order. Here
it is,
read it and weep:
[snip]
Sweet jeebus
Of course, both are absurd. But, if you take
> Darcy James Argue wrote:
>
> > I'm working on engraving a piece with the following instrumentation:
> >
> > Timp
> > Bells/Chimes
> > Perc
> > Harp
> > Piano
> > Boy Soprano
> > SATB chorus
> > Strings
> >
> > My question is, what score order would you choose for this ensemble?
> > The above orde
My score order would be (unless the composer/conductor really wants
something else)
Bells
Harp
Piano
Perc
Timp
Boy Sop
SATB chorus
Strings
In piano-accompanied bell music the bells are usually found above the
piano, and harps usually precede piano in an orch score.
While I know that perc
Darcy James Argue wrote:
> I'm working on engraving a piece with the following instrumentation:
>
> Timp
> Bells/Chimes
> Perc
> Harp
> Piano
> Boy Soprano
> SATB chorus
> Strings
>
> My question is, what score order would you choose for this ensemble?
> The above order would be (I believe) the
on 6/1/03 3:23 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm working on engraving a piece with the following instrumentation:
>
> Timp
> Bells/Chimes
> Perc
> Harp
> Piano
> Boy Soprano
> SATB chorus
> Strings
>
> My question is, what score order would you choose for this ensemble?
> T
I'm working on engraving a piece with the following instrumentation:
Timp
Bells/Chimes
Perc
Harp
Piano
Boy Soprano
SATB chorus
Strings
My question is, what score order would you choose for this ensemble?
The above order would be (I believe) the standard orchestral order, but
-- call me biassed,
The down and dirty:
Use the staff tool
Drag the staves into whatever position you want them to be
Go to the Staff menu and select Resort Staves
Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
Tom Godfrey wrote:
[After editing a band score] the 3rd percussion part is on the top, and the
1st flute is on the bottom
Tom Godfrey wrote:
> [After editing a band score] the 3rd percussion part is on the top, and the
> 1st flute is on the bottom. der could
is there an easy way to fix it?
Yes. Consult the documentation for the "sort staves" option of the Staff tool
menu.
ns
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A friend gave me a Finale file of a band score. She was using a template
that I had provided for her, but somehow the score order is reversed. The
3rd percussion part is on the top, and the 1st flute is on the bottom. One
thing I know is that she added a staff and then dragged it down below the
1st
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