Re: [Finale] Hyphens

George, Go to Options Menu > Document Options and select Lyrics in the left column.  The setting you are looking for is Maximum Space Between Hyphens.  Increase the number to cut down on the hyphens.  Make it the width of the page to eliminate all but a single hyphen. Vince Leonard www.invince

[Finale] Hyphens

I recently returned to the list after being away a couple of months, so my apologies if this has already been covered. I'm having problems with hyphens in lyrics -- in this case hymns for a worship folder. When I put the lyrics with the notes instead of a single hyphen between syllables I get

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! loose a file? or lose a file?

Hey folks, Please forgive me. I hesitate to do this, because I am certainly not the best speller here, nor anywhere else -and I don't have the world's best vocabulary, either, but I am going to point out a very common word mistake that I see more and more, (and not just on this forum, to be

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

On 19 Oct 2005 at 18:00, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > >That can't happen with a program that works in the background. > > In my personal experience, the biggest problems (that is, the ones > with the largest adverse consequences) I have had were a direct > consequence of havi

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Looks like this bug triggers from a variety of actions and with some different results. I thought I should weigh in on some of the questions you posed to Darcy. on 10/19/05 6:19 PM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So, when you say lost entry, the frames become blank or rests that >

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

I wrote: >> You said >> closing the file without saving won't get you entries back. Darcy James Argue / 2005/10/19 / 07:31 PM wrote: >No, I didn't -- I think you must have misunderstood. I said that >undoing -- even to the end of the undo tree -- won't get the entries >back. Oh, then you didn

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

On 19.10.2005 Darcy James Argue wrote: Robert is (AFAIK) not using Finale 2006 on a regular basis. MakeMusic are able to reproduce the bug in-house -- it's definitely a Finale issue. FWIW, I don't believe Robert or Johannes ever experienced the text block bug either, but it was nonetheless

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

On 19 Oct 2005, at 7:19 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: So, when you say lost entry, the frames become blank or rests that indicates empty measures, Yes. You said closing the file without saving won't get you entries back. No, I didn't -- I think you must have misunderstood. I said that undoing

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Darcy James Argue / 2005/10/19 / 06:00 PM wrote: >Hi Hiro, > >First time, it struck very early in my work on the file -- I had >about twenty measures entered and I lost the first 14 when advancing >a measure in Speedy. > >The second time, I had about 100 measures entered, and when I added >a

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

Arguably clearer if instead of writing: so that when op 129 is completed there may be thirty versions of the file in the directory. I had instead written, "so that when op 129 is completed, the directory may contain many files, each containing a different version of the file, and each beari

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

David W. Fenton wrote, regarding my work protocols Well, yes, but there's a margin for error there. What if you mis-type the file name, or accidentally open the wrong file and start edits? You can then screw up your successive versions. OK. I concede that there is a margin of error, but the

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

On Oct 19, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: I confess I failed to keep my bugs straight, here. I misunderstood a post by Chuck, in which he said MakeMusic had not been able to reproduce a bug, and thought he was talking about the "Scary bug!" of the subject line. ns Just to k

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Damn, this is indeed scary. Dean On Oct 19, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: As far as I know, the size of the file doesn't matter. I've had it strike me on a single-staff part, 100 measures long, with entries in only 20-something measures. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

As far as I know, the size of the file doesn't matter. I've had it strike me on a single-staff part, 100 measures long, with entries in only 20-something measures. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/djargon Brooklyn, NY On 19 Oct 2005, at 6:16 PM, Dean M. Esta

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

I'm trying to remember what it felt and smelled like to put a pen and ink to a vellum. It's been a few decades. Dean On Oct 19, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: I suppose this would mirror my habits if I were doing hand copying of a score and parts, using pen and iink; I expect

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

I was just about to ask the same question about my 22 stave, 190 bar piece. Dean On Oct 19, 2005, at 7:12 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I have been trying to reproduce this bug but to no avail. Would someone post a 100% reproducible steps? I used 15 staves 145 bars of data, a native FinMac2

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

Yeah, I meant the latter. Dean On Oct 19, 2005, at 7:22 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Dean M. Estabrook / 2005/10/18 / 07:42 PM wrote: When is it reasonable to expect the debugged version? If you mean debug version. You don't wanna. Debug version means an app with terrible logging which slow

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Darcy James Argue wrote: I have no doubt this bug is the same one Javier and Don experienced. Robert Piéchaud has seen it as well. (Is _he_ enough of a "power user" for you to take him seriously, Noel?) Yes, but to my knowledge the report has not been made to this forum, and I was previous

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

Ah, thanks. Dean On Oct 19, 2005, at 1:52 AM, dhbailey wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: When is it reasonable to expect the debugged version? Dean It is reasonable to have expected to find it in our shrink-wrapped packages which were delivered when we ordered our upgrade and paid them

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Hi Hiro, First time, it struck very early in my work on the file -- I had about twenty measures entered and I lost the first 14 when advancing a measure in Speedy. The second time, I had about 100 measures entered, and when I added an extra 100 measures with the measure tool, I lost every

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Darcy James Argue / 2005/10/19 / 05:29 PM wrote: >Hiro, > >I've seen it twice in the past week. Once when advancing a frame in >the Speedy Tool, and once when adding measures with the measure tool. Hmm, I don't know how I missed it. Sorry about that. Your scenario seems to be even worse. Wou

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

> Robert is (AFAIK) not using Finale 2006 on a regular basis. That is correct. I never adopt a new Finale release (for actual work) before the maintenance update. It is likely I will not adopt Fin06 at all. The meager benefits do not offset the risk. A favorite saying: "A superior sailor uses h

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Hiro, I've seen it twice in the past week. Once when advancing a frame in the Speedy Tool, and once when adding measures with the measure tool. I have no doubt this bug is the same one Javier and Don experienced. Robert Piéchaud has seen it as well. (Is _he_ enough of a "power user" for y

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/10/19 / 03:22 PM wrote: >I've counted three. all (I think) on MAC: Javier, Darcy, and Don. I still don't believe Darcy said anything about witnessing this bug. He has been mentioning something else, which is text block and auto save related, and 100% reproducible, and now

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

On 19 Oct 2005, at 3:22 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: I see. Next question is that how many people actually experienced this ["scary bug!"] I've counted three. all (I think) on MAC: Javier, Darcy, and Don. On the other hand other MAC power users who I would have expect

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

On 19 Oct 2005 at 14:58, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > >in this kind of situation, a program > >that manages the deleted files on your hard drive would allow you to > >revert to any version you chose. > > and if one doesn't have, or doesn't want to buy or write such a > pr

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

On 19 Oct 2005 at 14:15, Christopher Smith wrote: > On Oct 19, 2005, at 12:37 PM, Phil Daley wrote: [] > > If this bug has only bitten Mac users, maybe that's because Windows > > users rarely leave a file open for more than a few hours ;-) > > Well, Macs don't crash all that often in these post

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

David W. Fenton wrote: in this kind of situation, a program that manages the deleted files on your hard drive would allow you to revert to any version you chose. and if one doesn't have, or doesn't want to buy or write such a program it is easily simulated. When I start a large project, I c

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

Friends, Don's comments, quoted in part: The only difference I can really point to is that in the attempted recreation, I had just launched 2006, but when the bug bit I had had Finale and the file in question open for a few days. I really don't know much about this sort of thing, but might thi

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

Robert Patterson wrote: But simply jumping up and down and screaming "fix it, dammit"--while entirely understandable (I've done it, too)--accomplishes nothing. Ahh, but suppose one is holding one's newly poured, but not yet mixed beverage, and that one does not demand "stirred, not shaken";

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

on 10/19/05 11:37 AM, Phil Daley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At 10/19/2005 11:40 AM, Don Hart wrote: > >> The only difference I can really point to is that in the attempted >> recreation, I had just launched 2006, but when the bug bit I had had Finale >> and the file in question open for a few

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

A-NO-NE Music wrote: I see. Next question is that how many people actually experienced this ["scary bug!"] I've counted three. all (I think) on MAC: Javier, Darcy, and Don. On the other hand other MAC power users who I would have expected to experience the bug (Johannes, Robert Patterson) h

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

On 19 Oct 2005 at 15:20, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > I am sometimes amazed how much people trust computers. You can't. In > the end it makes no difference whether the software or the hardware > fails, data will get lost, and you better have a backup somewhere. > Better have several. I want to secon

[Finale] Software quality

Sorrowful state of software 10/17/2005 07:13 AM By Matt Kelly Last week, Jack Hughes hopped on a flight from Connecticut to California to hob-nob with some of the sharpest software developers in the world. As president of TopCoder Inc., a Glastonbury, Conn., software development business, Hug

[Finale] Re: Scary bug!

dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's precisely the risk: having a corrupt file and not knowing about > it, and backing it up. This can happen, and not only in Finale. You > save your corrupted version. You autosave it. You then back it up to > your external devices to be sure. And before you kn

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

On Oct 19, 2005, at 12:37 PM, Phil Daley wrote: At 10/19/2005 11:40 AM, Don Hart wrote: >The only difference I can really point to is that in the attempted >recreation, I had just launched 2006, but when the bug bit I had had Finale >and the file in question open for a few days. I really don

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

On 19 Oct 2005 at 11:07, Javier Ruiz wrote: > Yes, Johannes, but what happens if you don´t notice that the bug has > striked? In my case complete portions of finished copied music were > erased. Portions that were in the middle of the work, not at the end > where I was working. > > And yes, I imm

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

On 19 Oct 2005 at 8:56, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 19.10.2005 David W. Fenton wrote: > > In that case, you *could* lose months of work -- all that's > > necessary is a second forced save after the bug has struck to wipe > > out both your Finale file and the backup copy. The autosave won't > > he

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

On 19 Oct 2005 at 1:29, Darcy James Argue wrote: > If this bug hits, the best thing to do is close the file right away > without saving, then revert back to the most recently autosaved > version. So long as you do this quickly, and you're not very unlucky > (i.e., the bug hits one second before

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

On 19 Oct 2005 at 1:24, Darcy James Argue wrote: > On 18 Oct 2005, at 6:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: [] > > And, of course, there's also the backup file that you can choose to > > create each time you manually save a file, and that might save you > > if you saved and the real file had the data

Re: [Finale] recording & backups

<> ChuckI can't reproduce my crashes either and this is what's scary. It can ruin your work at any time.<> Chuck Kronos recorded 3 of my charts rec

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! My last...

2005-10-19 Thread Don Hart

Javier, I never had a name for it, but that may be the bug I described to David Fenton yesterday when he asked about other serious bugs from Finale's past. BTW, how long had you had Finale and the file you were working on open before it was hit with this bug? Thanks, Don Hart on 10/19/05 11:4

Re: Re: [Finale] Scary bug! My last...

2005-10-19 Thread richard.bartkus

Javier, I personally do not think that your posts have cluttered the list; the topics intrigue me as I have not encountered the serious problem you have described. I am on Finale 2006 at least 1 to 2 hrs a day and have been almost every day since I upgraded last summer (late August or maybe Se

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! My last...

2005-10-19 Thread Javier Ruiz

Dear chicos y chicas. S orry if I have cluttered the list with messages related to this problem. With this message I´ll shut my mouth and leave Makemusic answer. Unfortunately I am completely convinced that the problem exist and that the risk of loosing a lot of work is very high. [BTW, somebody

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

2005-10-19 Thread Phil Daley

At 10/19/2005 11:40 AM, Don Hart wrote: >The only difference I can really point to is that in the attempted >recreation, I had just launched 2006, but when the bug bit I had had Finale >and the file in question open for a few days. I really don't know much >about this sort of thing, but might th

[Finale] recording & backups

2005-10-19 Thread Chuck Israels

On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:24 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Firstly, it is very unlikely that the Kronos Quartet would be recorded with ProTools. I have no idea how KQ is recorded, I remember recording with them in San Francisco - some 20 + years ago (string versions of Monk's music - not t

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread Robert Patterson

> > Firstly, it is very unlikely that the Kronos Quartet would be recorded > with ProTools. I have no idea how KQ is recorded, but I certainly know serious professional recording engineers who use ProTools for HD recording. (Including using ProTools LE on location.) That KQ might be recorded w

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer

On 19.10.2005 Javier Ruiz wrote: I just can´t imagine a sound technician saying to the Kronos Quartet: Sorry folks, we have to repeat the whole piece because ProTools just swallowed what you beautifully played... I know, I know ProTools is much, much more expensive. Wait a minute, no, you can b

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

2005-10-19 Thread Don Hart

on 10/19/05 9:12 AM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have been trying to reproduce this bug but to no avail. Would someone > post a 100% reproducible steps? > > I used 15 staves 145 bars of data, a native FinMac2006 file. Is this > too small to reproduce this bug? Hiro, The b

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

2005-10-19 Thread A-NO-NE Music

dc / 2005/10/19 / 10:30 AM wrote: >If it were 100% reproducible, it would already be half-solved, and at least >avoidable!! > >What makes it scary is that no-one has yet figured out how it works. I see. Next question is that how many people actually experienced this bug? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Ho

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread A-NO-NE Music

Javier Ruiz / 2005/10/19 / 06:18 AM wrote: >I just can´t imagine a sound technician saying to the Kronos Quartet: Sorry >folks, we have to repeat the whole piece because ProTools just swallowed >what you beautifully played... >I know, I know ProTools is much, much more expensive. >Wait a minute, n

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread A-NO-NE Music

Dean M. Estabrook / 2005/10/18 / 07:42 PM wrote: >When is it reasonable to expect the debugged version? If you mean debug version. You don't wanna. Debug version means an app with terrible logging which slow you down. Even beta tester doesn't want to use debug version :-) If you mean the bug of

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread A-NO-NE Music

Mike Greensill / 2005/10/18 / 04:04 PM wrote: >I've had 2006 quit suddenly 3 times when editing chord suffixes. If you copy/past the crash log of just one incident (not the entire log, please) and send it to me privately, I will try to give an half-educated guesses. So far, FinMac2006 crashes

Re: [Finale] Scary bug! How do I reproduce?

2005-10-19 Thread A-NO-NE Music

I have been trying to reproduce this bug but to no avail. Would someone post a 100% reproducible steps? I used 15 staves 145 bars of data, a native FinMac2006 file. Is this too small to reproduce this bug? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA

Re: [Finale] FW: Finale 2006 refund request.

2005-10-19 Thread A-NO-NE Music

Javier Ruiz / 2005/10/19 / 06:49 AM wrote: >By this time, you are probably aware of the problem: Finale 2006 is >completely unusable for professional use. >Let's make things clear: this is not another bug, it is a failure in the >basic set of features of any program. It is simply unacceptable fro

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer

On 19.10.2005 Bernard Savoie wrote: It might be an hours time of work, directly speaking. But if this happened in the middle of a major project, say a 2 hour opera with full orchestra and you already have more than an hour's music input, I'd be more then a little worried of it happening again.

RE: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread Richard Bartkus

I am going to presume that the communication failure is on my side of this but once again you missed the inference that I have said in this thread and others that it very well could be Finale's fault. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhb

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread Bernard Savoie

I couldn't have said it any better. It would be worrying if MakeMusic  didn't fix this bug soon, but otherwise we just have to live with bugs  in new versions. I have used 2k6 since it came out, and have not been struck by this bug.  That is not to say I won't be struck in the future. However, eve

[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 27, Issue 16

2005-10-19 Thread Bernard Savoie

Hiro, I'm with Jim on this one also. I can suffer minor glitches or some short-comings in software, that's part of the nature of the beast.  But, as this bug seems to be quite important and may result in severe mental and financial anguish to anyone who loses important work, well, that's just unacc

[Finale] FW: Finale 2006 refund request.

2005-10-19 Thread Javier Ruiz

If some is interested this what I sent to Makemusic. Please forgive my convoluted English. -- Forwarded Message From: Javier Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:44:37 +0100 To: Finale Sales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Finale 2006 refund request. Makemusic Inc. Finale [ref: O

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread Javier Ruiz

I agree completely here, Jim. I just can´t imagine a sound technician saying to the Kronos Quartet: Sorry folks, we have to repeat the whole piece because ProTools just swallowed what you beautifully played... I know, I know ProTools is much, much more expensive. Wait a minute, no, you can buy it

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread Javier Ruiz

Yes, Johannes, but what happens if you don´t notice that the bug has striked? In my case complete portions of finished copied music were erased. Portions that were in the middle of the work, not at the end where I was working. And yes, I immediately looked for the backup copies, but they were alre

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread dhbailey

Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] The only caveat I mentioned was that you probably didn't want to set Fin2006 to autosave _every minute_ because that vastly increases the likelihood that when all of the entries in your file are mysteriously erased, autosave might kick in before you had a chan

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread dhbailey

Richard Bartkus wrote: David, It was just an example. I hope that I don't have to make every statement exhaustive so that you don't have to quibble. The point is that, Finale passes the data (Midi or whatever) to system modules that use other common system resources. Richard So does ev

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread dhbailey

David W. Fenton wrote: My bet is that it's related to the new implementation of temp files maintained in memory instead of on disk. That change is the source of the vast decrease in save time (and in AutoSave interruptions), but it looks like it came at a price in stability. Not all tem

Re: [Finale] Scary bug!

2005-10-19 Thread dhbailey

Dean M. Estabrook wrote: When is it reasonable to expect the debugged version? Dean It is reasonable to have expected to find it in our shrink-wrapped packages which were delivered when we ordered our upgrade and paid them the money for a working version that wouldn't trash users' work.