Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are GS patter songs and Noel
Coward.
And they too are rap.
Rap is not new. It is ancient.
One of many online sources tells us:
Rap's origins stretch far back to African oral tradition; it has a more immediate
predecessor in the spoken-word
- Original Message -
From: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy (long)
At 2:21 PM +0100 4/1/06, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads
You know what? I
The whole country is becoming more splintered by the millions of
illegal immigrants who refuse to learn English.
Phil Daley
Name three. They must be both illegal, and have refused the opportunity
to learn English when offered.
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you
define
music?
Pitch and rhythm. Words are secondary.
Rap has rhythm. End of story.
Phil Daley
Every rap song I have ever heard includes at least fragments of melody.
In the overarching category of hip-hop (which I am
On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:19 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Rap's origins stretch far back to African oral tradition; it has a
more immediate predecessor in the spoken-word expressionism of 60s
activists like the Last Poets, or LeRoi Jones (later known as Amiri
Baraka), who performed activist
At 4/1/2006 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Besides, by your definition many percussion ensemble works (notably
_Ionisation_) are not music--unless you count the piano tone-clusters
at the end as pitch. My own _A Descent into the Maelstrom_ contains no
definite pitches. Is it not music? If not,
In a message dated 4/1/06 1:01:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Robert C L Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy
...Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs in The Music Man
are a form of rap ...
Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are
At 10:49 AM -0500 3/31/06, Williams, Jim wrote:
Did Elvis's music openly advocate killing policemen?
No, but the Jefferson Airplane did, at least once. They also wrote a
song glorifying cannibalism.
Did swing music openly advocate sexual promiscuity with no regard to
its physical or
The messages crossed. Happens to me all the time.
--Andrew
On Apr 1, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Apr 1, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Every rap song I have ever heard includes at least fragments of
melody. In the overarching category of hip-hop (which I am interested
On Apr 1, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
I don't think Schubert was influenced by Irish bards either, but I
think it's reasonable to label either of them as song.
I read a highly interesting paper, long ago, that identified a bardic
stance taken in some Romantic music and
Apologies for breaking into y'all's chat on generational gaps, immigration and American Idol...I've been working on some examples for a textbook gig and have been frustrated by one of Finale's (albeit totally rational) issues. For a normal piece of music with key changes and clef changes, key
On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
Could you make a score of a rap piece so that another group could
perform it and it would be identical to the original performance?
(By which I mean, the same pitches.)
Of course one could. Probably has. Which is not to say that there is
not
On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
At 4/1/2006 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
My own _A Descent into the Maelstrom_ contains no
definite pitches. Is it not music? If not, what is it? Or are you
saying it isn't even art?
Is it possible to two different groups to perform it and
On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in
Liverpool could form their own little group, write their own music,
practice at each other's houses, play at local dance halls and get
discovered by talent scouts.
Replace
The best method I know is to use extra measures with blank notation and
invisible barlines.
Michael Cook
On 1 Apr 2006, at 20:45, Rob Deemer wrote:
Apologies for breaking into y'all's chat on generational gaps,
immigration and American Idol...
I've been working on some examples for a
Here is a blog entry by composer Derek Bermel talking in some detail
about the seminal hiphop record _Paid in Full_ by Eric B. and Rakim:
http://derekbermel.blogspot.com/2006/01/rakim-rhyme-got-rougher.html
Bermel has won the Rome prize, a Guggenheim and a Fulbright
fellowship. I recently
At 5:38 PM +0100 4/1/06, Peter Taylor wrote:
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To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy (long)
At 2:21 PM +0100 4/1/06, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few
At 1:04 PM -0500 4/1/06, Phil Daley wrote:
At 4/1/2006 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you
define
music?
Pitch and rhythm. Words are secondary.
Rap has rhythm. End of story.
Every rap song I have ever heard includes at
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I also hear a rumor that Michael Brecker has died.
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=13767
I hope this is a really BAD April fools joke
Darcy James Argue wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/qv46h
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Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I also hear a rumor that Michael Brecker has died.
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=13767
I hope this is a really BAD April fools joke
If so, it would be in incredibly bad taste. What a loss! :(
cd
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From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy
On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in Liverpool
On 01 Apr 2006, at 5:40 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in
Liverpool could form their own little group, write their own
music, practice at each other's houses, play at local dance
halls
On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads
in Liverpool
could form their own little group, write their own music,
practice at
each other's houses, play at local dance halls and get
discovered by
talent scouts.
Don Alias has passed as well.
http://donalias.com/
- Darcy
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://secretsociety.typepad.com
Brooklyn, NY
On 01 Apr 2006, at 5:20 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I also hear a rumor that Michael Brecker has died.
On 1 Apr 2006 at 0:05, Robert C L Watson wrote:
...Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs
in The Music Man are a form of rap ...
Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are GS patter
songs and Noel Coward.
They may have come before the genre we call rap, but
On 1 Apr 2006 at 6:19, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are GS patter
songs and Noel Coward.
And they too are rap.
Rap is not new. It is ancient.
One of many online sources tells us:
Rap's origins stretch far back to African oral tradition;
On 1 Apr 2006 at 13:51, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
Could you make a score of a rap piece so that another group could
perform it and it would be identical to the original performance?
(By which I mean, the same pitches.)
Of course one could.
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