Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Mark D. Lew
On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote: Opera was entertainment, and can only be compared with musical theater today I think a better comparison is with film today. Especially if you're talking about 19th century opera. It's no coincidence that there's so many connections

Re: [Finale] Re: attachments to list [was: beam]

2007-01-13 Thread Mark D. Lew
On Jan 11, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Actually, I never had a problem with any attachment folders. I do have a prooblem with accumulating attachments. But that's a minor problem compared to download problems through analogue modem connections in a hotel room, when a huge

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Daniel Wolf
On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote: Opera was entertainment, and can only be compared with musical theater today This is a claim that is made again and again, but on any close inspection will fall apart. It's clear that Viennese Opera was a form of entertainment for upper

Re: [Finale] O.T. Mozart piano concerto (movement) discovered.

2007-01-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.01.2007 Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: the main reason imo is that the change from Baroque to Viennese Classical was more radical than any other up to that time. Now just a pea-pickin' minute here! Surely you're not claiming this change was

Re: [Finale] OT (and kind of depressing): Piano selections for a funeral?

2007-01-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 13.01.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richter was invited to play at Stalin's funeral, and he played only Bach, since he knew how much Stalin hated Bach. After enduring as much of this as he could, one of Stalin's henchmen said, in a voice loud enough for Richter to hear, Who wrote this shit?

Re: [Finale] OT (and kind of depressing): Piano selections for afuneral?

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis W. Manasco
At 3:42 PM -0500 1/12/07, Michael L. Meyer wrote: ... I've been asked to play for the service... At 6:49 PM -0500 1/12/07, Kim Patrick Clow wrote in reply: Handel: I Know My Redeemer Liveth (from Messiah). Yes. Bach: Sheep May Safely Graze. Darn! That was going to be my suggestion.

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread dhbailey
Daniel Wolf wrote: On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote: Opera was entertainment, and can only be compared with musical theater today This is a claim that is made again and again, but on any close inspection will fall apart. It's clear that Viennese Opera was a form of

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Daniel Wolf
dhbailey wrote: This view of opera as the purview of an elite audience, at least in Italy in the 19th century, goes counter to what I've read where the public at large awaited the latest operas, every village had its opera house, the public at large learned and sang (probably as poorly as a

[Finale] OT Mac OSX

2007-01-13 Thread Lawrence David Eden
I want to ask an OT question to my Mac friends on the List. How do I get my old OS9 Mozilla bookmarks into my new OSX Firefox? Firefox looks for IE favorites only. I am hoping that I will not have to re-build my bookmarks manually! Thanks. ___

Re: [Finale] OT Mac OSX

2007-01-13 Thread Michael Cook
File Import... should give you the option you need. On 13 Jan 2007, at 14:57, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I want to ask an OT question to my Mac friends on the List. How do I get my old OS9 Mozilla bookmarks into my new OSX Firefox? Firefox looks for IE favorites only. I am hoping that I

RE: [Finale] Piano selections for a funeral?

2007-01-13 Thread Guy Hayden
Debussy Preludes (Danseuses, Voiles, Des pas), Reverie, Clair de Lune Ravel Pavane (maybe not for sightreading) Copious works from the Baroque keyboard literature (Bach Suites, Couperin, Balbastre) Mozart and Haydn slow movements Beethoven Moonlight Sonata 1st movement Chopin slow mazurkas,

Re: [Finale] Chord definition

2007-01-13 Thread A-NO-NE Music
John Howell / 2007/01/12 / 01:16 PM wrote: I think I understand Hiro's reasoning, about implying a scale, but since I'm not a jazzer I do not grok the fullness. The important of the derived chord scale is for improvising as well as voicing for people comping. If the code is marked augmented,

[Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi all: In my forewards* to my editions, I want to have a bar or two musical example. If I do a screen capture of the screen, that's not good because 1. I get the colors. I need black and white. 2. It's only a bitmap image, it's not vector, so I can not resize it. My editor uses WORD for his

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Jan 2007 at 7:06, dhbailey wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 13.01.2007 dhbailey wrote: When Verdi died he was worshipped as a god, his funeral was a huge state procession. Same with Beethoven and he wasn't exactly a very prolific opera composer. Which certainly decries the

Re: [Finale] Re: attachments to list [was: beam]

2007-01-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Jan 2007 at 1:05, Mark D. Lew wrote: Back when I was still on dialup -- less than two years ago, I think -- I had a little shareware utility that I could run, separate from my regular email program. It would show a list of all the emails waiting on my server, with info on size,

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Jan 2007 at 12:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: In my forewards* to my editions, I want to have a bar or two musical example. If I do a screen capture of the screen, that's not good because 1. I get the colors. I need black and white. 2. It's only a bitmap image, it's not vector, so I can

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi all: In my forewards* to my editions, I want to have a bar or two musical example. If I do a screen capture of the screen, that's not good because 1. I get the colors. I need black and white. 2. It's only a bitmap image, it's not vector, so I can not resize it. Check

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
on 1/13/07, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also suggest you change the subject line before Andrew wakes up ;-). Hehe too late, I'm afraid. Thanks though! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] O.T.: Speaking of music editions online, PaulWranitzky editions

2007-01-13 Thread Aaron Rabushka
The market too small for 'minor composers'? Who do you think keeps Finale in business? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] O.T.: Speaking of music editions online, PaulWranitzky editions

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/13/07, Aaron Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Dennis Collins meant composers from the baroque or classical periods. Not modern ones. I'm trying to be an optimist about this project. Sure there are bad free editions out there, but maybe this will be different. If open source works

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 12, 2007, at 6:44 PM, dhbailey wrote: The ratio of historical music to contemporary music is hugely in favor of historical music in opera houses and in orchestral concert halls. How does that compare to the programming of Mozart's time? In Mozart's--and all earlier--times, music,

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 13, 2007, at 4:23 AM, Daniel Wolf wrote: On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote: Opera was entertainment, and can only be compared with musical theater today This is a claim that is made again and again, but on any close inspection will fall apart. I'm glad someone else

Re: [Finale] O.T. Mozart piano concerto (movement) discovered.

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 13, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: from Rennaissance to baroque (how radical was that?) Immensely: polarization of the voices, especially. As late as ca. 1690 a diarist (sorry, I forget who) complained that he couldn't make head or tail of a new piece because it had no

[Finale] OT- NORTHWOODS JAZZ CAMP

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Richmond
Dear List members, I know this is way OT, but a few of you might be interested, especially those in the USA Midwest. This is to announce that the Northwoods Jazz Camp/Jazz Party will again be taking place this year. This will be the third annual, and we believe it will be better than

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 13, 2007, at 1:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: DeNora's most innovative interpretation is that Beethoven's music became increasingly individual and idiosyncratic and difficult as his patrons saw supporting him as a way of enhancing their own status. It was the very strangeness of his

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread John Howell
At 1:09 PM -0500 1/13/07, David W. Fenton wrote: So, however widespread the admiration of Beethoven at his death, it was likely not based on the music he wrote in his last 10 years. I was prepared to argue with this, but as I think about it, you're probably right. While we may consider

Re: [Finale] OT- NORTHWOODS JAZZ CAMP

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Wow another person on the list that has the first name of Kim; and is a guy! I'm flabberghasted! We have several Dennises, one is the infamous other Dennis. I'd never thought there would be more than one guy with name of Kim, but I'm certainly glad there is! :) Good luck with your Jazz Party!

Re: [Finale] O.T.: Speaking of music editions online, PaulWranitzky editions

2007-01-13 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: If open source works for Linux, or Wikipedia, maybe there is a possibility for something similiar for classical music editions: people sharing their Finale files for others to correct or make editorial additions. But perhaps this is too narrow a definition of open

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/13/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use the Graphics Tool, export as TIFF. Word can import TIFFs directly, or you can save it as a GIF and import that (which will bloat the file less). My Tiff has a very mezzotint type look to it, when you zoom into it, there are rough edges

Re: [Finale] O.T.: Speaking of music editions online, Paul Wranitzky editions

2007-01-13 Thread John Howell
At 9:32 AM +0100 1/13/07, dc wrote: Andrew Stiller écrit: Big mistake. People don't value what they can get for free. Even a nominal fee would generate a much stronger response. I'm sure any business school would say the same, but in some cases they would be wrong. The cases I'm thinking

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread John Howell
At 12:50 AM -0800 1/13/07, Mark D. Lew wrote: On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote: Opera was entertainment, and can only be compared with musical theater today I think a better comparison is with film today. Especially if you're talking about 19th century opera. It's no

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Jan 2007 at 21:04, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 1/13/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use the Graphics Tool, export as TIFF. Word can import TIFFs directly, or you can save it as a GIF and import that (which will bloat the file less). My Tiff has a very mezzotint type

Re: [Finale] O.T.: Speaking of music editions online, PaulWranitzky editions

2007-01-13 Thread Aaron Rabushka
I frequently tell people that classical music exists in the epsilons of the economic formulas, that is, that which economics cannot explain. Unfortunately it took me a long time to learn that if I compose for someone free my work gets thrown in the trash without a second thought. If I charge even

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread John Howell
At 10:23 AM +0100 1/13/07, Daniel Wolf wrote: On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote: Opera was entertainment, and can only be compared with musical theater today This is a claim that is made again and again, but on any close inspection will fall apart. It's clear that Viennese

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
David: You also suggested using the export option of a EPS file. After struggling with the installation of the PS drivers, I can print a EPS file that captures all the music, but the instrument names and the text headers above the first system are not being embedded properly. I've tinkered with

Re: [Finale] O.T.: Speaking of music editions online, Paul Wranitzky editions

2007-01-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Jan 2007 at 21:18, John Howell wrote: Although Kalmus and Luck's aren't going broke, and Dover seems to be doing well. Kalmus has been doing its own engraving these last few years, and some of them are really quite beautifully done, quit in contrast to some of the old photographic

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
P.S. The font that I am using that's NOT being output in the .EPS file is Adobe Jenson, in the OpenType format (which works on both Windows and Macs). Would this be a factor in my woes? On 1/13/07, Kim Patrick Clow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David: You also suggested using the export option of

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Aaron Rabushka
It was interesting to hear Claudio Abbado in the 1970's talk about workingmen's matinees at La Scala that were new at the time, so that Teatro alla Scala was [then] for everybody. Better late than never, I guess. Then again, how many people can afford Broadway extravaganzas nowadays? Aaron J.

[Finale] Brecker passed away

2007-01-13 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Michael Brecker passed away today. Sad. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--obit- brecker0113jan13,0,4833721.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com

Re: [Finale] Brecker passed away

2007-01-13 Thread Carl Dershem
A-NO-NE Music wrote: Michael Brecker passed away today. Sad. Very much so. I can still remember the first time I heard the Brecker Brothers - it was almost as intimidating as the first time I tried to play Some Skunk Funk. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/#

Re: [Finale] Brecker passed away

2007-01-13 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 13, 2007, at 10:21 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Michael Brecker passed away today. Sad. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--obit- brecker0113jan13,0,4833721.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines Thanks for the news, Hiro. He came to my school when I was a student and I have a

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/13/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I usually bump up to 16 million colors, then resize for output and then gray scale it. The graphics I put up for the Dotted Slurs discussion were made in precisely that way. When you say bump up the file, is this done WITHIN Finale, or in a

[Finale] OT ... commissions

2007-01-13 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I've just been offered a commission to write a choral piece. Though I've done a lot of composing, this is the first time for me in the world of commissions. If there is such a thing, what might be the going rate for an SATB piece for a church choir of 20 singers, lasting about 3 minutes?

Re: [Finale] O.T.: Speaking of music editions online, Paul Wranitzky editions

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:18 PM, John Howell wrote: At 9:32 AM +0100 1/13/07, dc wrote: Andrew Stiller écrit: Big mistake. People don't value what they can get for free. Even a nominal fee would generate a much stronger response. I'm sure any business school would say the same, but in some

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:43 PM, John Howell wrote: prior to the 20th century popular taste could not exist in the stratified, class-conscious societies of Europe and, yes, America, with its pre-melting-pot amalgam of ethnic enclaves and rigid class distinctions in the Eastern seacoast cities,

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote: Perhaps I should know better than to debate what is or isn't an established classic, but how 'bout Korsakov's Concerto for Trombone and Band (which the Russian in me dearly loves no matter how many others find it a waste), and Tchaikovsky's

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/13/07, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is conventional wisdom, but it's simply untrue. Any culture, at any time, that has an identifiable classical music must also have a popular music lying outside those boundaries. I agree. Renaissance dance music could be based on popular

Re: [Finale] Forewards and how to generate musicial quotes/incipits

2007-01-13 Thread Mark D. Lew
On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: 1. I get the colors. I need black and white. I'm using a version which is very old now, so I don't know if this still applies But when I make PDFs by way of Finale's Compile Postscript Listing I also get colors. My solution is

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Not to mention how much Mozart dance hall music (to return to the source of this thread) is now called classical! Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Mark D. Lew
On Jan 13, 2007, at 3:39 AM, Daniel Wolf wrote: Italian Opera, and especially that of the mid to late 19th century was quite a different animal to that of late 18th century Vienna. But even then, while, most substantial cities and towns had opera houses, villages did not. The question of

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Carl Dershem
Mark D. Lew wrote: Traditional opera today is an antique art, at least in America. The typical opera fan wants to see and hear opera as it was (or so they think; in reality, operatic tradition is tied more directly to the Met of the 1940s and 1950s than to the eras in which the works were

[Finale] Quickeys can slow down Mac big time!

2007-01-13 Thread Randolph Peters
FinMac 2007a, Mac OS 10.4.8, PowerBook G4, GPO Studio, Quickeys 3.1.1 After working in Finale for a few hours, I notice that the whole system starts slowing down and the fans on my computer stay on. I assumed this was due to Finale and a large GPO setup. I discovered to my horror that

Re: [Finale] OT ... commissions

2007-01-13 Thread Lora Crighton
--- Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just been offered a commission to write a choral piece. Though I've done a lot of composing, this is the first time for me in the world of commissions. If there is such a thing, what might be the going rate for an SATB piece for a

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.01.2007 Aaron Rabushka wrote: Perhaps I should know better than to debate what is or isn't an established classic, but how 'bout Korsakov's Concerto for Trombone and Band I tell you my personal anecdote: When I was in school I had a deal with a pianist/trombonist, that we would play

Re: [Finale] O.T. Mozart piano concerto (movement) discovered.

2007-01-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.01.2007 Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 13, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: from Rennaissance to baroque (how radical was that?) Immensely: polarization of the voices, especially. As late as ca. 1690 a diarist (sorry, I forget who) complained that he couldn't make head or tail