Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: [snip] But entirely aside from these quibbles, the obvious problem is how the copyright laws of Country A can be or should be enforced in and by Country B. And that apparently IS hard to pinpoint, and is the whole point of this discussion. John That is indeed the crux

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 24 Oct 2007 at 18:00, dhbailey wrote: Personally I think it costs the public a *lot* to have such lengthy copyright terms, just not in economic terms. I was not by any means thinking of direct monetary costs. Unfortunately, that's the only thing certain kinds of

Re: [Finale] Sib 5 Playback

2007-10-25 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: According to Daniel, I think you must own the whole GPO package, not just the version that came with Finale, 'cause he says Sib can't share fin's GPO, just as fin can't share Sib's essential sounds (licence issues, I guess) I don't own the complete GPO,

Re: [Finale] a troubling issue from the other side of the fence

2007-10-25 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 24 Oct 2007 at 19:10, Martin Banner wrote: I just felt compelled to comment on articles like the one put forth on the Choralnet website from someone on the other side of the fence. Unless you're arguing (as UE did) that sites should take down any music by

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread Mark D Lew
On Oct 25, 2007, at 1:39 AM, dhbailey wrote: What ever happened to the notion of politicians serving in government because it's the right thing to do, as opposed to serving as a means to greater wealth? Such politicians exist. But they never get very far because nobody votes for them.

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 24.10.2007 Mark D Lew wrote: If some editor digs up some old score rotting in a library and creates a practical and usable score of it, that's a valuable service and it deserves the encouragement that copyright protection provides. The key is that this editor has done absolutely nothing to

[Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?

2007-10-25 Thread Richard Yates
I have been very dissatisfied with a keyboard (Behringer UMX61) that I bought recently because of the irritating latencies between key press and sound. I thought I might get used to it, but have not been able to. It plugs into a USB port (Windows XP) and perhaps that accounts for the problem.

Re: [Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?

2007-10-25 Thread themark
The problem belongs to soundcard drivers, not to the keyboard, which only sends a MIDI signal to the soundcard. It is the soundcard itself that has to manage the signal in real time and convert it in a sound. If the card has poor drivers, the latency occurs. You should specify if you need a

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Oct 2007 at 11:58, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Music publishing, especially of smaller publishers, actually blossoms in Europe right now, I don't think there have ever been so many small publishers actually making money. The NY Times had an article yesterday about the Swiss threatening

Re: [Finale] Sib 5 Playback

2007-10-25 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Yeah, I'm using Kontkt 2, the right hand panel in the set up window, at Daniel's suggestion, reads kontakt 2 VST, with the sound sets reading Sib essential sounds. This is the only combination, that I've found, at least, that the program will allow to make any playback possible. His

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread John Howell
At 8:52 PM -0700 10/24/07, Mark D Lew wrote: On Oct 24, 2007, at 7:40 PM, John Howell wrote: There is nothing ambiguous or arguable about graphic copyright under U.S. law: it does not exist, and never has. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to suggest that graphic copyright exists

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread John Howell
At 9:01 PM -0700 10/24/07, Mark D Lew wrote: On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:43 AM, dhbailey wrote: All the toll highways in the U.S. which were built in the 1950s have been paid off yet many still continue to collect tolls. Sure, but in those cases it's the government who is now pocketing the money.

Re: [Finale] Sibelius and the bugs

2007-10-25 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that there were not the complaints on the Sibelius list that have come up on the Finale list. In other words, while that list contained some serious bugs, they didn't affect users to the same extent that Finale's bugs have affected

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread John Howell
At 12:33 AM -0600 10/25/07, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: John Howell wrote: I don't believe there's any such provision, but since I may be wrong, could you tell me where in the copyright law you found this information. I was under the impression that work for hire was recognized as one of the

Re: [Finale] Sib 5 Playback

2007-10-25 Thread Darcy James Argue
Dean, Did you run the Install Sibelius Sounds Essentials.app from the Sibelius DVD? They need to be installed separately from the program itself. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 25 Oct 2007, at 11:29 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Yeah, I'm using Kontkt 2, the right hand

Re: [Finale] Sib 5 Playback

2007-10-25 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Hi Darcy , Yes, it too was installed, and they reside in my App/Sibelius Software/Sounds Essentials/Instrument Folder. Thanks, Dean On Oct 25, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Dean, Did you run the Install Sibelius Sounds Essentials.app from the Sibelius DVD? They need to

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread Mark D Lew
John Howell wrote: But I'm sure that there are plenty of unambiguous pieces for which the only editorial contribution is to modernize key signatures and clefs. Is that enough to claim a new copyright? Obviously Bärenreiter's attorneys answered this yes. Or a more easily seen example:

Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site

2007-10-25 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
John Howell wrote: Case in point: the BG edition of Bach as opposed to the NBA edition. No question that the editors of BOTH editions devoted major portions of their lives and scholarship to producing those editions. The research on just a single piece of music can cover a year or more.

Re: [Finale] Sibelius and the bugs

2007-10-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Yeah, but have you been to the MakeMusic forum? There is so much dust there I started sneezing..and there are maybe 10 people there. Tyler Turner wrote: I disagree with you. I found the bugs in Sib 5.0 to be more severe and more in-your-face than those with Finale 2008. Sibelius 5

Re: [Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?

2007-10-25 Thread dhbailey
And even there, the problem isn't always the soundcard drivers -- softsynths often have incredible latency issues when trying to play them live, since the soundcard or USB keyboard driver gets the keypress, has to pass that information on to the softsynth which has to get that sound's data

Re: [Finale] Sibelius and the bugs

2007-10-25 Thread dhbailey
Tyler Turner wrote: --- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that there were not the complaints on the Sibelius list that have come up on the Finale list. In other words, while that list contained some serious bugs, they didn't affect users to the same extent that Finale's

[Finale] Sibelius 5 - First experiences

2007-10-25 Thread Kurt Gnos
Hi, after all these discussions and Finale seeming to coming to an end, I gave Sibelius 5 a try, at a friend's computer. First impression - nice interface, more modern than finale. Second impression - less control - for example, when I play back, I cannot easily control what Sibelius will show

Re: [Finale] Sib 5 Playback

2007-10-25 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Yeah, I'm using Kontkt 2, the right hand panel in the set up window, at Daniel's suggestion, reads kontakt 2 VST, with the sound sets reading Sib essential sounds. This is the only combination, that I've found, at least, that the program will allow to make any

[Finale] 1/2nd endings:

2007-10-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi all: If you have a dance movment, such as a Menuet, with a 1/2nd ending in the first section, and the next portion starts on a NEW system, should the very last barline of the 2nd ending measure be either a single bar line or a double one? Thanks! When this happens at the very end of a

Re: [Finale] 1/2nd endings:

2007-10-25 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: If you have a dance movment, such as a Menuet, with a 1/2nd ending in the first section, and the next portion starts on a NEW system, should the very last barline of the 2nd ending measure be either a single bar line or a double one? Thanks! If the repeats were written

Re: [Finale] 1/2nd endings:

2007-10-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/barquestion.jpg Here is what I have now, there is another section that follows immediately, so this is NOT the last set of bars in the Menuet. Thanks Noel! Kim On 10/25/07, Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: If you have a

Re: [Finale] Sib 5 Playback

2007-10-25 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Yeah, I've been going though it over and over with Daniel and another Sib man, so far, everything seems to be installed and in the correct folders. The path from the Kontakt 2 Library to the needed files in the Ap Folder seems to be in place ... so far, at least, the answer is not

Re: [Finale] 1/2nd endings:

2007-10-25 Thread John Howell
At 9:47 PM -0400 10/25/07, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/barquestion.jpg Here is what I have now, there is another section that follows immediately, so this is NOT the last set of bars in the Menuet. If you are assuming a da capo after the second section (and in

RE: [Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?

2007-10-25 Thread Richard Yates
And even there, the problem isn't always the soundcard drivers -- softsynths often have incredible latency issues when trying to play them live, since the soundcard or USB keyboard driver gets the keypress, has to pass that information on to the softsynth which has to get that sound's data

Re: [Finale] Sib 5 Playback

2007-10-25 Thread Richard Smith
Do you have the reference book? If not, e-mail me and I will send you a .PDF version of it. There are almost 100 pages about the playback and sound. In Sib 4 we had a much simpler sound system. I have the Sibelius GPO (the entire GPO library optimized for Sib) that did a wonderful job in Sib