Re: [Finale] (no subject)

2009-02-13 Thread Lawrence Yates
Problem 1. At risk of insulting you by stating the obvious - make sure you don't have the caps lock on. Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] (no subject)

2009-02-13 Thread Florence + Michael
1. In the Speedy menu, remove the check mark by Insert notes or rests. 2. In Speedy Options (under Speedy menu), remove the check mark by Fill with Rests at End of Measure Michael. On 13 Feb 2009, at 01:31, Katherine Hoover wrote: Dear Finalelist, I still need answers to the

[Finale] installations

2009-02-13 Thread Lawrence David Eden
Greetings, I am planning on changing computers soon and I want to re-install my Finale (Mac) on the new system. I doubt that I have any installs left on Finale and when I try to register, I will be advised that I can't register. How do I remove an old registration so that I can install

Re: [Finale] installations

2009-02-13 Thread dhbailey
Lawrence David Eden wrote: Greetings, I am planning on changing computers soon and I want to re-install my Finale (Mac) on the new system. I doubt that I have any installs left on Finale and when I try to register, I will be advised that I can't register. How do I remove an old

Re: [Finale] installations

2009-02-13 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Lawrence David Eden wrote: Greetings, I am planning on changing computers soon and I want to re-install my Finale (Mac) on the new system. I doubt that I have any installs left on Finale and when I try to register, I will be advised that I can't register. How do I remove an old

[Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I just made a recording of a choir rehearsal last night with my H2 digital. I recorded in the MP3 mode. It is possible to edit said files (other than just splitting a file on the H2) once they are uploaded to my Mac? It's a G5, running 10.4.1 BTW, the H2 seems to be doing a pretty fair

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 11:57 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I just made a recording of a choir rehearsal last night with my H2 digital. I recorded in the MP3 mode. It is possible to edit said files (other than just splitting a file on the H2) once they are uploaded to my Mac? I believe that most audio

[Finale] problems solved

2009-02-13 Thread Katherine Hoover
Got it! Both problems solved by turning off the fill in the measure option. Thank you all! Katherine Hoover ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Good info ... thanks. Dean On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 2/13/2009 11:57 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I just made a recording of a choir rehearsal last night with my H2 digital. I recorded in the MP3 mode. It is possible to edit said files (other than just splitting a

[Finale] problems solved

2009-02-13 Thread Katherine Hoover
Got it! Both problems solved by turning off the fill in the measure option. Thank you all! Katherine Hoover ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 13 Feb 2009, at 12:15 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: What you might want to do is open this MP3 in Audacity and save it as a WAV. Then you can edit, save, edit, save, etc. as much as you like with the WAV without further degradation of the original MP3. And then again, only convert your

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 12:15, Aaron Sherber wrote: However, keep in mind that MP3s are like JPG images -- they use lossy compression, meaning every time you edit and save, you introduce some artifacts (which may or may not be audible/visible). This is why it's always better to record and edit

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 13:19, Darcy James Argue wrote: With respect, Aaron, this won't help. Converting the MP3 to WAV and back again will introduce far more artifacts than any edits you might make in Audacity, and won't actually result in any benefit. Once a file is in a lossy format (like

[Finale] Off topic - NEH grant test site

2009-02-13 Thread Howey, Henry
Dear list members, Please visit and contact me offlist about a test website I have prepared for an NEH editions grant proposal. FINALE is a big part of it, ofcourse;-) Here's the URL: http://www.shsu.edu/~org_neh/ Only two pieces are loaded for the demo: 1.

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 13 Feb 2009, at 4:02 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Hmm. I was unaware that there were mainstream apps that could edit MP3s natively. There certainly are. You can open an MP3 in QuickTime Player and edit it directly there without converting to some other format. And Fission (the app I use

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread noel jones
As I recall, even iTunes, for either platform, will permit editing and it's free noel jones ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 4:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 13 Feb 2009, at 4:02 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Hmm. I was unaware that there were mainstream apps that could edit MP3s natively. There certainly are. You can open an MP3 in QuickTime Player and edit it directly there without converting to

RE: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Lee Actor
Darcy, you are mistaken. You cannot edit an mp3 in native mode as it is an encoded format. It may look to you as if you are directly editing the mp3 when you open it, but any audio editor must of course convert the file to an audio waveform before it can be edited (whether WAV, AIFF, or a native

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Lee, Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for setting me straight. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 13 Feb 2009, at 4:55 PM, Lee Actor wrote: Darcy, you are mistaken. You cannot edit an mp3 in native mode as it is an encoded format. It may look to you as if you

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 5:25 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Instead, my first suggestion would be to use an editing application that operates on the original MP3 file and does not require you to re- encode -- which, as far as I know, is what is happening with the app I use (Fission). I don't believe that

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 13 Feb 2009, at 6:05 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Yes -- unless you plan to do more editing. Keeping in mind that every save to MP3 format degrades quality, what you want to avoid is open the MP3, make an edit, save back to MP3. Open the new MP3 a week later, make some more edits, save

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Aaron, Looking around a bit more on the web, I do think we need to distinguish different kinds of editing. It appears that certain kinds of edits can be made to MP3s without needing to recode, namely splitting up an MP3 into pieces and applying gain. (See http://sherber.com/url/3c ,

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 6:15 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: These are, in fact, the only kinds of edits Fission allows (cut paste, normalization and fades), Ah, interesting. Lee, can you comment on this? Is it true that these kinds of edits can be made to an MP3 without needing to recode afterwards? (It

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
iTunes lets you make volume adjustments and change the start and stop time. File - Info - Options. But these don't get written into the file itself, I don't think. - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 13 Feb 2009, at 6:19 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I haven't seen any

RE: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Lee Actor
I'm not familiar with the internals of the mp3 format, so I can't say for sure. But considering that none of the edits mentioned operate in the frequency domain (such as filters and most other types of audio processing), I can see how it might be possible without conversion/reconversion. But

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Allen Fisher
iTunes allows you to convert among a few formats, but that's it AFAIK. --AF On Feb 13, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Dean M. Estabrook d.e...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't seen any capabilities in iTunes for editing. Perhaps I just don't know where to find them. Dean On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:48 PM,

[Finale] another simple (I hope!) question

2009-02-13 Thread Katherine Hoover
I generally print on legal paper, in order to eventually have pieces done on 9 x 12 paper at the printer. This means I have to work with systems rather freely at times. At the moment I'm doing a piece for two pianos, and need to get 3 systems on a page (3 groups of 4 staves.) I cannot

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 16:02, Aaron Sherber wrote: if you have a JPG as a source, you open it and save it as a TIF or something else non-lossy so it won't get any worse while you work on it. If you edit the JPG and save back as a JPG, it gets worse each time, because you're re-applying the

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Matthew Hindson
Dean, my 2c, esp. since you are on Mac: Amadeus Pro is excellent. It costs some money, but unlike Audacity (in my experience) it's extremely stable and does a great job. I recommend it. Matthew 2009/2/14 David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com On 13 Feb 2009 at 16:02, Aaron Sherber wrote:

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 17:25, Darcy James Argue wrote: Here's what I understood you to be suggesting: 1) Open the MP3 in Audacity and up-sample it to WAV. Save the WAV version. If by upsample to WAV you mean the same process that happens when the MP3 is played, then, sure. 2) Make the edits

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 18:05, Aaron Sherber wrote: Keeping in mind that every save to MP3 format degrades quality, what you want to avoid is open the MP3, make an edit, save back to MP3. Open the new MP3 a week later, make some more edits, save back to MP3. Repeat again the next day. You've now

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
I'm going to preface all of this by saying that I'm always happy to be proved wrong in things like this. On 2/13/2009 7:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The usual method is to have, say, a 15% compression ratio. When you open a file, your graphics editing progam knows what the compression ratio

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 7:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I don't think this is correct, Aaron. When you edit the MP3, you aren't editing the original data, but a waveform that is result of expanding the data from the MP3 file. If you save that waveform to exactly the same bitrate as the original source MP3,

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 19:37, Aaron Sherber wrote: I'm going to preface all of this by saying that I'm always happy to be proved wrong in things like this. On 2/13/2009 7:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The usual method is to have, say, a 15% compression ratio. When you open a file, your

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread noel jones
Useful for making ringtones, I suppose! I have had a lot of good luck on the Mac with Sound Studioespecially with its liberal demo mode. noel jones On Feb 13, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: iTunes lets you make volume adjustments and change the start and stop time. File -

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 8:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: They don't display the information, but PSP, at least (which is what I use for all my graphics editing -- I can't stand the GIMP), does not continue to compress the file beyond its current compression ration. Except that I don't think PSP has any

RE: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question

2009-02-13 Thread Richard Yates
Open the file in Scroll View and make sure that there is minimal space above the first staff. Select and drag all staves upwards in Staff Tool if you need to. With Page Layout, edit the system margins to remove extra space between staves. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 20:36, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 2/13/2009 8:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: They don't display the information, but PSP, at least (which is what I use for all my graphics editing -- I can't stand the GIMP), does not continue to compress the file beyond its current

RE: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Richard Yates
(It's the same with images. If someone sends you a JPG that you plan to edit repeatedly, you should first open it and save it as a TIF, and then make all your edits to the TIF. When you're done editing, you can export the TIF as a JPG for portability, keeping your source TIF for any

Re: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question

2009-02-13 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Katherine, It would be helpful to know what version of Finale, and what platform (Windows or MAC) you are using. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 9:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: It doesn't actually need to. Once the file is open, it's an uncompressed bitmap, with 100% of the information that the original file contains. As long as the save uses the same compression ratio, the result should be, for all intents and purposes,

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 2/13/2009 8:29 PM, Richard Yates wrote: I have heard the first theory and decided to test it. I opened a high resolution photo in Photoshop and saved it with the maximum compression as a jpg. Then reopened it and saved again with maximum compression. After repeating this seven times I can see

Re: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Feb 2009 at 23:27, Aaron Sherber wrote: Also -- and I admit this isn't particularly relevant here -- comparing file sizes isn't really an adequate way of comparing the files. You're saying that because one file is only a few bytes bigger or smaller, there can't be much difference

RE: [Finale] Editing

2009-02-13 Thread Richard Yates
On 13 Feb 2009 at 23:27, Aaron Sherber wrote: Also -- and I admit this isn't particularly relevant here -- comparing file sizes isn't really an adequate way of comparing the files. You're saying that because one file is only a few bytes bigger or smaller, there can't be much difference