Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread John Howell
At 10:24 PM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:13 PM, John Howell wrote: No way, not even on a bet! But I can say that of the notation programs I've used, Sibelius has the best lyrics handling hands down, both the easiest to enter and the best to look at by default. Just

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Jan 2010 at 1:39, David W. Fenton wrote: > Given that two of the four main players have to switch > instruments (one bass player doubles on treble, and for this concert, > I'm doubling on bass and tenor, after 18 months of playing tenor > exclusively), Actually, it's two of the bass play

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 22:20, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > I'm not that picky, though I don't produce the stunningly beautiful > > scores that folks like Dennis Collins do (I'm not sure I've ever seen > > your engraving, but my bet is you're much pickie

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: For a syllable that is attached to a note followed by another note (or several notes) lacking syllables, the width of the syllable should be allocated to all the notes available before the next syllable to the right. It looks pretty simple to

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:13 PM, John Howell wrote: No way, not even on a bet! But I can say that of the notation programs I've used, Sibelius has the best lyrics handling hands down, both the easiest to enter and the best to look at by default. Just curious. Supposing Sibelius does put sylla

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: I'm not that picky, though I don't produce the stunningly beautiful scores that folks like Dennis Collins do (I'm not sure I've ever seen your engraving, but my bet is you're much pickier than I am -- I'm just trying to get performable parts an

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread John Howell
At 8:23 PM -0500 1/22/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Jan 2010 at 20:13, John Howell wrote: At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote: >On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > >>Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does >>by default, since it's so

Re: [Finale] [OT] family name conventions

2010-01-22 Thread John Howell
At 3:13 PM +0100 1/22/10, SN jef chippewa wrote: *very* off-topic but maybe of interest to people researching composers, a post about naming conventions. anyone able to comment on asian names and differences between different asian countries? i know often japanese say their family name first

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 20:13, John Howell wrote: > At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote: > >On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > >>Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does > >>by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale! > > > >Can you desc

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread John Howell
At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale! Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program should do

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread Barbara Touburg
Cecil Rigby wrote: Not exactly what you're looking for, but of historical value I have a 6.54 mb PDF of "Raccolta di Inni Nazionali" published in 1895 - score meant for piano (i.e., harmonized, but what I'd call "no frills" renditions), a few with lyrics, if you're interested. The US anthem ha

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread Cecil Rigby
no problem. just sent via private email- -C - Original Message - From: "Ryan" To: Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics) Cecil, I'd love to have a copy of it if you're extending the offer to others on the list. It

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread Ryan
Cecil, I'd love to have a copy of it if you're extending the offer to others on the list. It sounds like a neat edition. Ryan On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Cecil Rigby wrote: > Not exactly what you're looking for, but of historical value > > I have a 6.54 mb PDF of "Raccolta di Inni Nazionali

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread Cecil Rigby
Not exactly what you're looking for, but of historical value I have a 6.54 mb PDF of "Raccolta di Inni Nazionali" published in 1895 - score meant for piano (i.e., harmonized, but what I'd call "no frills" renditions), a few with lyrics, if you're interested. The US anthem has differences from

Re: [Finale] Music scanning conversion quality?

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 21:16, Jari Williamsson wrote: > How is scan conversion quality nowadays? Is there any product available > that with reasonable accuracy will trace scores to MusicXML, including > notes, articulations, beaming, slurs, and expressions? (Lyrics is not > necessary.) If you're sc

Re: [Finale] Music scanning conversion quality?

2010-01-22 Thread dhbailey
Jari Williamsson wrote: How is scan conversion quality nowadays? Is there any product available that with reasonable accuracy will trace scores to MusicXML, including notes, articulations, beaming, slurs, and expressions? (Lyrics is not necessary.) To the best of my knowledge Sharpeye remai

[Finale] Music scanning conversion quality?

2010-01-22 Thread Jari Williamsson
How is scan conversion quality nowadays? Is there any product available that with reasonable accuracy will trace scores to MusicXML, including notes, articulations, beaming, slurs, and expressions? (Lyrics is not necessary.) Best regards, Jari Williamsson

Re: [Finale] Re: deleting measures without affecting numbering

2010-01-22 Thread Jari Williamsson
Brian Williams wrote: Apply a staff style with "Hide Staff" checked, and set measure widths to 0. Yes, that's what I did. Thanks! (At another place where I needed to insert measures for mid-measure repeats, I created the repeats as a custom font and inserted them graphically in mid-measure.

[Finale] Re: deleting measures without affecting numbering

2010-01-22 Thread Brian Williams
Apply a staff style with "Hide Staff" checked, and set measure widths to 0. Brian Sent from my iPhone, so please forgive the typos and brevity. On Jan 22, 2010, at 10:00 AM, wrote: How do I delete (or insert) measures without affecting all the measure number regions that appears afterwards

RE: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread Richard Yates
They are all here: http://themes.mididb.com/anthems/ with no lyrics. These versions are fully harmonized but the timing is clean and the melodies are on separate staffs so it's easy to copy them out. MIDIs and lyrics are here: http://www.nationalanthems.info/ but the MIDI files need a little twea

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread Christian Mondrup
Lawrence Yates wrote: Are there any specific ones you want? I was booked to play a few anthems at a ceremony last year and had to arrange everything for brass trio (trpt, horn; trombone) There is an internet site NationalAnthems.us offering lots of anthems incl. lyrics and - more or less

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread SN jef chippewa
whatever you have! i want to compare the forms and motifs for a project that will exacerbate the implicit character and similarities of many national anthems by a sort of process that multiplies everything by everything else. if i could get a copy that would be fantastic, thanks! Are ther

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread Lawrence Yates
Are there any specific ones you want? I was booked to play a few anthems at a ceremony last year and had to arrange everything for brass trio (trpt, horn; trombone) Cheers, Lawrence 2010/1/22 SN jef chippewa > > i came across this source... >> > > euh, this one: http://www.nationalanthem

Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread SN jef chippewa
i came across this source... euh, this one: http://www.nationalanthems.info ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

2010-01-22 Thread SN jef chippewa
anyone know where i can get ahold of an anthology of national hymns? i only want the melodies and lyrics, would greatly prefer a source with no harmonizations. if possible, also historical alternate versions (e.g. changes made during wars etc.) online or otherwise free or inexpensive are be

[Finale] [OT] family name conventions

2010-01-22 Thread SN jef chippewa
*very* off-topic but maybe of interest to people researching composers, a post about naming conventions. anyone able to comment on asian names and differences between different asian countries? i know often japanese say their family name first (also when writing?) and that chinese living in

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 1/22/2010 9:03 AM, dc wrote: I can only second that request. Is there any place where one can officially do so? Well, you can submit something to the support people through http://makemusic.custhelp.com My feature request was made in January 2007; the reference number is 070322-041052. Yo

Re: [Finale] Staff Groups

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 8:29, dc wrote: > David W. Fenton écrit: > >What am I doing wrong? > > First question is optimization. You should make your changes in your groups > BEFORE optimizing. Is that what you did? No, that was the problem -- I forgot the systems were optimized (without removing stav

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 11:05, dc wrote: > I wonder why they don't implement this feature. It would put them way ahead > of Sibelius for a change... How well does Sibelius do with lyrics spacing in melismas and otherwise? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associa

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 1:43, Mark D Lew wrote: > In the paragraph you're responding to, I was referring specifically > to music which is very melismatic, which is what I thought perhaps > David F was dealing with. The music I was working with was Samuel Scheidt. Here's the current unproofread sco

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 0:24, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does > > by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale! > > Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 0:17, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:37 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a > > whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance > > is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Jan 2010 at 8:26, dc wrote: > David W. Fenton écrit: > >It seems I'm out of luck on this, as I don't see any way to hide a > >syllable in WinFin 2003. > > My memory isn't good enough to recall when "hidden" characters were > introduced. Is this not a "Style" available (as italics, or bold,

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 1/22/2010 3:17 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: algorithm looking at the lyric syllables at all. For such a piece, I'd space the entire thing with lyrics unchecked. Then if there are one or two measures where the lyrics collide, go back and respace just those measures with lyrics checked. This brings

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:02 AM, dc wrote: In most cases, if you have a decent point-size for your lyrics, ignoring the lyrics simply won't give you enough space to do things correctly. In other words, you won't have "one or two measures" where the lyrics collide, but more likely 90% of your me

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale! Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program should do? My feeling about lyric spacing is that i

Re: [Finale] Question on Current Finale Versions Lyrics

2010-01-22 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:37 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e., if there's a run of 16ths, if the first has a syllable