Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-14 Thread Randolph Peters
In the history of Finale updates, I can’t remember Finale putting out more than 3 per version. So, I’m guessing that the next iteration of Finale will have a new version number on it. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-14 Thread Dean Rosenthal
Maybe those comparisons of cars and Tvs were a bit over the top - although I'd like to know what your reasons are - you don't give any. About Adobe and other patches, from Apple and MS Operating systems, I've been using Macs for almost two decades and I can't think of a single update that has

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-14 Thread David H. Bailey
On 10/14/2014 1:16 PM, Dean Rosenthal wrote: [snip] it's broken And it's really made me question why software is any different. You can't say the sophisticated engineering that goes into manufacturing an entire car isn't potentially as detailed as a software app - considering there is a lot of

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
David, I generally agree with your comments on this subject. But I really don't think this is a Wall Street play in this instance. I think it is a case where Finale as an independent company could not find a business model that worked consistently. It seems to me that this SHOULD have

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Patterson
I think this list is being entirely too pessimistic about prospects for future Finale releases. I should let someone like Michael Good speak for himself (or for Peaksware) but I believe some key developers from Finale are making the move. That hardly seems like they are abandoning Finale. I've

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
As far as I know, he has made no such statements publicly other than the vague, bland non-denial the day they announced they were moving to Boulder. Have you seen any? I really would have thought that would be a priority, considering that the news was basically, We're firing the CEO, we're

[Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I use F2014. On balance, for me it does enough things better than earlier releases to justify staying on that level. But just barely. The product is still riddled with bugs. The most annoying ones for me are in Human Playback. There are all sorts of cases where volumes get gut back to

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread dershem
On 10/13/2014 7:21 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I use F2014. On balance, for me it does enough things better than earlier releases to justify staying on that level. But just barely. The product is still riddled with bugs. The most annoying ones for me are in Human Playback. There are all

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Jan Angermüller
Am 13.10.2014 16:21, schrieb Craig Parmerlee: I have opened tickets on specific items, but the staff always just blows them off as if I don't know what I'm talking about. Craig, I have seen the same with the MM staff and HP ... until I started sending them screencam videos that capture the bug

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, dershem wrote: Given the dominance of bugs over actual fixes and improvements, I have stuck with F2010. Every version since then has been so problem-ridden as to make it unusable. Yes, I know many people have made that decision. But my question is really more about

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Raymond Horton
I work every note I can in win2012, go into 2014 only when absolutely necessary, then rush back home to 2012. I hope the company gets its act together. On Oct 13, 2014 11:05 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, dershem wrote: Given the dominance of bugs over

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Robert Patterson
I would like to counter some of the negative comments. I never used Fin10, but I think Fin12 is quite stable and I used it for a couple of years without issues. In the last couple of months I migrated to Fin14, and I have to say that, despite the relative instability compared with Fin12 I am

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Girard Bowe
Michael Good poked his head into our mailing list early last month, but there's no clue if he heard the responses, so I have copied him on this email. I would love to have a bug-fix release, and would pay for it. Several people have requests for new features, but a lot of traffic on this list

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Dean Rosenthal
No. I don't understand why it's acceptable for a product to be sold with enough bugs. Paying for a bug-fix release (one that would riddled with at least some other issues) is not the answer. Imagine if you bought a widescreen tv, only to find that certain features worked only some of the time

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Comparing software to a TV doesn't work. Or your car. Its ridiculous. Adobe's products are FAR from perfect and most of them have a list of legacy bugs that would make Finale's look teeny weenie. And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and fixing issues (or

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Yes, 2014 definitely has improvements. But it made a huge step BACKWARD in HP. On all prior releases, I never had to fiddle with HP. I simply turned it on and the music sounded better - much better. I understand that there are additional tweaks that people do to improve on the out of the

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
OK, Eric. When can I buy the new version that corrects some of the old bugs? Money is not the issue for me. The amount of my valuable time this product wastes is the issue. On 10/13/2014 1:35 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Mon, October 13, 2014 1:47 pm, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Are we now at Finale's end of life for practical purposes, take it or leave it? Or should we expect this company will produce something better at some stage? I'm going with end of life. After the year's hiatus, I expected a really

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Eric Dannewitz
UmI'm supposed to know this? Probably when the next version of Finale comes around? On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: OK, Eric. When can I buy the new version that corrects some of the old bugs? Money is not the issue for me. The amount of my

Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

2014-10-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
The point is that many of us would be OK paying for a new release if that is what it took to get bug fixes. The point is that Makemusic does neither new releases nor bug fixes. As far as I can tell, they just let the thing sit. Looking at Adobe's support site, I agree they are somewhat