Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-10-04 Thread Gerald Berg
Thanx for that Eric. Been dying to see it. Talk about knowing the music backwards! Jerry On 4-Oct-06, at 3:18 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8adEIMzbso Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.sh

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-10-04 Thread dhbailey
Stan Lord wrote: I'd love to see this but the URL doesn't work for me. It comes up in German "Die Seite wurde nicht gefunden" Which my friend tells me means site not found. Any ideas? I just clicked on it and got the same response -- perhaps there was too much traffic for the site to bear.

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-10-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8adEIMzbso Stan Lord wrote: I'd love to see this but the URL doesn't work for me. It comes up in German "Die Seite wurde nicht gefunden" Which my friend tells me means site not found. Any ideas? Stan Lord On 23 Sep 2006, at 22:11, Randolph Peters wrote: If you wan

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-10-03 Thread Stan Lord
I'd love to see this but the URL doesn't work for me. It comes up in German "Die Seite wurde nicht gefunden"Which my friend tells me means site not found.Any ideas?Stan LordOn 23 Sep 2006, at 22:11, Randolph Peters wrote:If you want to see music engraving done "old school," there is a fascinating v

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 26.09.2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time ago Johannes published (on the web) a list of recommended settings to meke Finale output look more professional. Does a similar list still exist anywhere? I found them very useful and have been especially disappointed with the "out of the box"

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 26.09.2006 dc wrote: Enter music into Finale's default file, space the music with Finale's music spacing tool: unless you're in a lucky day, the last system will be much too widely spaced. I find it incredible that after all these years the the music isn't by default spaced regularly accros

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-28 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 27 Sep 2006, at 9:50 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: On Sep 27, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: BTW, I meant the actual edge of the paper is ragged, left uncut. I don't know what the industry term for that is. - Darcy - Messy? Sloppy? Just being face

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 25.09.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Not true in my experiences. I've printed out samples of Sibelius and Finale files for friends to look at; whever I ask them to pick the samples that look the most like published music- Sibelius *always* wins. When I ask the resons why they didn't pick the

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Sep 2006 at 22:29, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Yes, "deckle edge" seems to fit the bill. > > I'm sure it's not a new thing, but it seems to have become very > trendy in publishing (especially fiction) over the past 10 years or > so. My bookshelf has deckel edges from all periods, though th

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
Yes, "deckle edge" seems to fit the bill. I'm sure it's not a new thing, but it seems to have become very trendy in publishing (especially fiction) over the past 10 years or so. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 27 Sep 2006, at 10:19 PM, David

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:27 PM 9/27/06 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Well, you'll notice the recent trend towards using a ragged right >edge in hardcovers. Ragged right goes in & out of fashion. Books were sometimes published with uncut signatures, and you had to tear the pages at the edges. In fact, many of th

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Sep 2006 at 21:33, Darcy James Argue wrote: > BTW, I meant the actual edge of the paper is ragged, left uncut. I > don't know what the industry term for that is. Do you mean deckle edge? It's not exactly a new thing! -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 27 Sep 2006, at 9:50 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: On Sep 27, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: BTW, I meant the actual edge of the paper is ragged, left uncut. I don't know what the industry term for that is. - Darcy - Messy? Sloppy? Just being facetious. Seems to me it go

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread Chuck Israels
On Sep 27, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: BTW, I meant the actual edge of the paper is ragged, left uncut. I don't know what the industry term for that is. - Darcy - Messy? Sloppy? Just being facetious. Seems to me it goes along with torn jeans. I don't know that I'd

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
BTW, I meant the actual edge of the paper is ragged, left uncut. I don't know what the industry term for that is. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 27 Sep 2006, at 9:27 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Well, you'll notice the recent trend towards u

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
Well, you'll notice the recent trend towards using a ragged right edge in hardcovers. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 27 Sep 2006, at 9:27 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Lilypond claims a more human engraved look based on slight irregularities

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-27 Thread Andrew Stiller
Lilypond claims a more human engraved look based on slight irregularities that are programed into the software. I don't use Lilypond. I just happened to know of their emphasis and thought it pertinent to the discussion. When was the last time anybody heard about book/periodical typesetting

Re: Fin vs. Sib vs. Lilypond [was Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video]

2006-09-26 Thread Trent Johnston
- Original Message - From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:12 AM Subject: Fin vs. Sib vs. Lilypond [was Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video] Trent Johnston wrote: One thing I did notice in the video was tha

Fin vs. Sib vs. Lilypond [was Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video]

2006-09-26 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Trent Johnston wrote: One thing I did notice in the video was that all the layout issues were sorted out before the engraving started. He was engraving page 40 and he knew the bars of music were going to appear on that page. It's funny that the first piece of advice that most notation program m

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2006 at 15:33, Javier Ruiz wrote: > Or Makemusic could buy-out those two guys who are doing Lilypond and > add all the technology to Finale. Isn't the only thing Lilypond has to offer its particular music spacing algorithm? I'm not terribly impressed with the results, myself, but with

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Javier Ruiz
It is strange to agree with Mr. Fenton ;) but in this case I am afraid he is right. But... (From possible to completely impossible) Maybe Lilypond will accept MusicXML files in the future. Then one could input the notes with Finale and get the rendering with Lilypond. Or Finale will add "Expor

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:13 AM 9/26/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: >When that day comes, it will be worth looking at for regular >notational use. Maybe for 'regular' notational use. I gave this program a run, and sent a long list of questions about and suggestions for contemporary scores, since it was largely inc

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Trent Johnston wrote: I've also been using Lilypond for a while and it's not so much the inperpections that make the layout good but the attention to detail. What Lilypond does differently though is that the computer does a lot of some of the manual work for you. A

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Trent Johnston
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video | | On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Trent Johnston wrote: | > I've also been using Lilypond for a wh

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Trent Johnston
- Original Message - From: "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video | On 26 Sep 2006 at 19:35, Trent Johnston wrote: | | > What | > Lilypond does differently though is th

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2006 at 19:35, Trent Johnston wrote: > What > Lilypond does differently though is that the computer does a lot of > some of the manual work for you. As most of you may know that the > score is created from a text file.When the score "compiled" this is > when the computer is really put t

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 26, 2006, at 3:44 AM, dc wrote: By the way, there are some interesting things on the Lilypond site, but the Finale sample given there is absolutely ridiculous! http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/software.html I know, I looked at those. It's a classic "straw man" argu

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2006 at 23:02, Trent Johnston wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video > > | On 26 Sep 2006 at 19:35,

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 26, 2006, at 4:06 AM, dhbailey wrote: When the discussion is entirely about musical issues, I have succeeded. When nobody complains about the printing job I have succeeded. That's what counts most, not whether the music could be hung in the Detroit Museum of Musical Engravings or f

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Trent Johnston
- Original Message - From: "dhbailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video | John Howell wrote: | > At 10:19 PM -0400 9/25/06, Christopher Smith wrote: | >> | >> I know Finale

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 10:19 PM -0400 9/25/06, Christopher Smith wrote: I know Finale's default spacing is not up to professional standards, for example. But unless they are seeing Finale output tweaked by a pro, they aren't seeing what the program can do, and it is an unjust criticism, in ad

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread dhbailey
But most likely those same people would have produced the same uglier output (probably even uglier, given Finale's defaults) had they simply opened the box and began using Finale, which is most likely what they did using Sibelius. An experienced Sibelius user would have most likely made a simi

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread dhbailey
Eric's points concerning the November font is another example of why a discussion of what's possible in the two programs is futile, as is any discussion of what constitutes great output even when discussing only one program. Not all musicians appreciate the same things in the music they look a

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread dhbailey
Richard Smith wrote: I'm sorry if it seemed so, but I did not intend to "bemoan" Finale's "lack of consistency". I simply pointed out, without agreeing, that Lilypond claims a more human engraved look based on slight irregularities that are programed into the software. I don't use Lilypond. I

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I dunno. I looked at the November font, and tried to reproduce the first couple of lines off the Polka example. I didn't really notice much difference other than the treble clef, and the key signature being different (treble clef was darker, and fatter in November). The note heads seem to be th

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-26 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Some time ago Johannes published (on the web) a list of recommended settings to meke Finale output look more professional.  Does a similar list still exist anywhere?   I found them very useful and have been especially disappointed with the "out of the box" settings in Fin2006.   All the best,

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Matthew Hindson fastmail account
Richard Smith wrote: > Some on this list may have seen Lilypond which is open source software > (as in free) that tries to emulate those little imperfections and get > something closer to hand engraving. I haven't used it but the video > certainly shows the reason behind it.http://lilypond.

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Sadly, yes, Finale is lacking in "House Styles". The Maestro Default File really looks bad. And then we get into all the templates..*shutters*. Don't make me go there.. They really should have Bill Duncan supply the default templates. Of course, for nice princely sum ;-) John Howell

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
And I see the total opposite. I can't count how many times I've seen silly looking Sibelius charts in groups where they look like they are done by monkeys or something. I look at it, and go "in Finale, I could knock it down to 2 pages and it would look better". But, either tool, in the hands o

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread John Howell
At 10:19 PM -0400 9/25/06, Christopher Smith wrote: I know Finale's default spacing is not up to professional standards, for example. But unless they are seeing Finale output tweaked by a pro, they aren't seeing what the program can do, and it is an unjust criticism, in addition to being non-

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Richard Smith
I'm sorry if it seemed so, but I did not intend to "bemoan" Finale's "lack of consistency". I simply pointed out, without agreeing, that Lilypond claims a more human engraved look based on slight irregularities that are programed into the software. I don't use Lilypond. I just happened to know

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 25, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   "And I STILL maintain that you don't know what your friends were reacting to; the font, the spacing, the line thickness, or what I construed as the original poster's point, which was the inconsistency

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   "And I STILL maintain that you don't know what your friends were reacting to; the font, the spacing, the line thickness, or what I construed as the original poster's point, which was the inconsistency of human engraving." Actually I do know, since some

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 25, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:I'm normally quick to point out Finale's flaws, but in this case you are off-base.    You didn't respond to the poster who pointed out that it takes some effort to make the music look right. If Sibe

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I'm normally quick to point out Finale's flaws, but in this case you are off-base.    You didn't respond to the poster who pointed out that it takes some effort to make the music look right. If Sibelius wins a sample contest for best-looking music,

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Richard Smith
A religious war wasn't my intent either. I'm pretty sure either app works very well. As the video shows, we are lucky to have both. I remember (vividly), as both a copyist and a performer, the pen and ink days and am glad that's past. Someone commented about line thickness. After working a bit

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Robert Patterson
Hoping not to continue a religious war, I offer the fact that I never could get past the template setup in Sib. because it apparently lacks nested desk brackets. (As in, e.g., The Rite of Spring). -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ F

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 25, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:Jonathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I am a long time (v.2) Finale user but prefer Sib. I would say both are definitely capable of the same result, minus the human imperfections. Interestingly, one of the minor reasons I prefer Sib. is bec

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Jonathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am a long time (v.2) Finale user but prefer Sib. I would say both are definitely capable of the same result, minus the human imperfections. Interestingly, one of the minor reasons I prefer Sib. is because Finale output, to me, often looks too mechanic

[Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-25 Thread Jonathan Smith
I am a long time (v.2) Finale user but prefer Sib. I would say both are definitely capable of the same result, minus the human imperfections. Interestingly, one of the minor reasons I prefer Sib. is because Finale output, to me, often looks too mechanical. Tosh. Both apps are capable of making the

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2006 at 16:50, Andrew Stiller wrote: > In the first half of the twentieth century, > hand engraving was still the only way to publish music, and so the > (very controversial) new music of the time (Stravinsky, Schoenberg, > etc.) was all engraved regardless of return, and any losses wr

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2006 at 16:45, Andrew Stiller wrote: > In the 18th c., all businesses were family businesses, and everyone in > the family contributed. It is a virtual certainty that Telemann had > his wife and kids doing a lot of the scutwork. They may actually have > done all the actual engraving! The

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2006 at 12:58, John Howell wrote: > At 9:28 AM -0700 9/24/06, Carl Dershem wrote: > >Michael Cook wrote: > > > >>The URL points to an 80 MB WMV file, so it might take a while to > >>load: I saved the file to my hard disk and it was well worth the > >>wait. The video was apparently made i

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2006 at 12:27, John Howell wrote: > At 9:25 AM -0400 9/24/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > >At 06:15 AM 9/24/06 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: > >>I thought it amazing that it took him ONLY eight hours to do that > >>page with those methods. > > > >Yeah, amazing, but I thought it was more

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video followup

2006-09-24 Thread Herman Gersten
Eric, Tubesock is a video only app, if I'm not mistaken. The $29 version of Snapz will capture anything still, full or partial screen. The pro version does that plus video. Anyway, for $15 Tubesock is worth a shot, if only for video. Herman On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Eric Dannewitz wro

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video followup

2006-09-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
There is also a capture utility for Mac OS X called TubeSock http://stinkbot.com/Tubesock/index.html It's $15 Herman Gersten wrote: Dear List, Perhaps you'd like to know about an still image and movie capturing app that will record and save anything right from your monitor. It's called SNAP

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video followup

2006-09-24 Thread Herman Gersten
Dear List, Perhaps you'd like to know about an still image and movie capturing app that will record and save anything right from your monitor. It's called SNAPZ ProX for Mac users. Go to YouTube and have the video ready to play. All you do is select the portion of your screen where the

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Chuck Israels
From pewter to compewter. ;-( Chuck On Sep 24, 2006, at 3:01 PM, dhbailey wrote: I had thought it was pewter, Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Final

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 9:25 AM -0400 9/24/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 06:15 AM 9/24/06 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: I thought it amazing that it took him ONLY eight hours to do that page with those methods. Yeah, amazing, but I thought it was more amazing that all that time & talent & c

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread dhbailey
Robert Patterson wrote: [snip] Kurt Stone offers excellent notation suggestions for new music. Choosing one at random, we can dicuss the circles for notating location on a drum head (p. 222ff). An engraver would want to know how wide (in spaces) should the circle be? What width line should the

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Chuck Israels
On Sep 24, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Sep 24, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: You know in the baroque, Telemann used to engrave some of his own music. Watching this video, I wonder where the man found the time to actually *learn* how to do it, then compose his m

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Sep 24, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Someone lamented that new music has not received such care. Like it or not, new music simply does not sell enough copies to justify that kind of investment. It's not quite that simple. In the first half of the twentieth century, hand en

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Sep 24, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: You know in the baroque, Telemann used to engrave some of his own music. Watching this video, I wonder where the man found the time to actually *learn* how to do it, then compose his music, teach students, keep his marriage going, and rai

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Richard Smith
Robert Patterson wrote: Curiously, one aspect of engraving a computer may never be able to emulate is the slight human imperfections that give hand-engraved scores the charm of human touch. Other than this, I think the video is correct in stating that computers will achieve the same results.

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video followup

2006-09-24 Thread Scott Jones
Once the address is in the URL box hold down the CONTROL key and hit the ENTER button. The window for SAVE AS... should pop up allowing you to save the file wherever you wish. That is how I saved it on my MAC. ___ J. Scott Jones Band

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:46 AM 9/24/06 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: Sorry, unwrapped: http://www.caldergroup.co.uk/media//safety/H&S%20DS%20-%20Pb.pdf#search=%22hazards%20of%20metallic%20lead%22 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listin

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:46 AM 9/24/06 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: >I don't think metallic lead poses any particular risk. It is soluble forms >that are hazardous. Metallic lead is incredibly toxic. Here's a data sheet from one company: http://www.caldergroup.co.uk/media//safety/H&S%20DS%20-%20Pb.pdf#search=%22h az

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Richard Yates
> >Yeah, amazing, but I thought it was more amazing that all that time & > >talent & cash was being tossed into old music again -- not to mention, ye > >gads, working with lead with bare hands and no face mask! I don't think metallic lead poses any particular risk. It is soluble forms that are haz

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video followup

2006-09-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I put it on YouTube for you guys. I'll remove it in a few days... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8adEIMzbso John Howell wrote: At 12:58 PM -0400 9/24/06, John Howell wrote: At 9:28 AM -0700 9/24/06, Carl Dershem wrote: Michael Cook wrote: The URL points to an 80 MB WMV file, so it might

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: John Howell To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video Can someone explain to this technodummy exactly HOW to "save the fi

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Carl Dershem
John Howell wrote: At 9:28 AM -0700 9/24/06, Carl Dershem wrote: Michael Cook wrote: The URL points to an 80 MB WMV file, so it might take a while to load: I saved the file to my hard disk and it was well worth the wait. The video was apparently made in 1997 and the engraver is just incre

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video followup

2006-09-24 Thread John Howell
At 12:58 PM -0400 9/24/06, John Howell wrote: At 9:28 AM -0700 9/24/06, Carl Dershem wrote: Michael Cook wrote: The URL points to an 80 MB WMV file, so it might take a while to load: I saved the file to my hard disk and it was well worth the wait. The video was apparently made in 1997 and the

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread John Howell
At 9:28 AM -0700 9/24/06, Carl Dershem wrote: Michael Cook wrote: The URL points to an 80 MB WMV file, so it might take a while to load: I saved the file to my hard disk and it was well worth the wait. The video was apparently made in 1997 and the engraver is just incredible. Even with my

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread John Howell
At 3:16 PM +0100 9/24/06, Javier Ruiz wrote: And not to mention the fact that Finale (and later Sibelius) was available since 1990 (?). It seemed that they were using this method until 2000 ! It's called craftsmanship! But what I found incredible is that the finished plate is apparently used

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread John Howell
At 9:25 AM -0400 9/24/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 06:15 AM 9/24/06 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: I thought it amazing that it took him ONLY eight hours to do that page with those methods. Yeah, amazing, but I thought it was more amazing that all that time & talent & cash was being tossed

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Carl Dershem
Michael Cook wrote: The URL points to an 80 MB WMV file, so it might take a while to load: I saved the file to my hard disk and it was well worth the wait. The video was apparently made in 1997 and the engraver is just incredible. Even with my fast connection (upwards of 5Mb/sec) it took a

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Robert Patterson
Christopher Smith wrote: I would say spacing is a big issue, too, Engraving-quality results are nevertheless possible. It simply requires manually spacing most (if not all) measures. Long slurs are not possible: I know of no acceptable workaround, no matter how tedious. -- Robert Patterson

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 9/23/06, Randolph Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you want to see music engraving done "old school," there is afascinating video at this URL.     That was just very cool to watch. Thank you so much for sharing that.   You know in the baroque, Telemann used to engrave some of his own music.

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 24, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I would argue that Finale (and possibly Sib) are already nearly capable of it. The one remaining shortcoming is long slurs. I would say spacing is a big issue, too, especially with lyrics, ties and accidentals. Although in my work I se

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Robert Patterson
This process was described very clearly (and in greater detail) in the Ross book, but it is rewarding to see it. Curiously, one aspect of engraving a computer may never be able to emulate is the slight human imperfections that give hand-engraved scores the charm of human touch. Other than this

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Javier Ruiz
And not to mention the fact that Finale (and later Sibelius) was available since 1990 (?). It seemed that they were using this method until 2000 ! Javier R. > At 06:15 AM 9/24/06 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: >> I thought it amazing that it took him ONLY eight hours to do that page with >> those

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:15 AM 9/24/06 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: >I thought it amazing that it took him ONLY eight hours to do that page with >those methods. Yeah, amazing, but I thought it was more amazing that all that time & talent & cash was being tossed into old music again -- not to mention, ye gads, working

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Richard Yates
> It certainly makes any hassles Finale throws our way pale by comparison > -- 8 hours for a single page? Wow, I'd love to be able to bill my > engraving clients for that much time, but I would certainly hate to have > to spend that much time on a single page. I thought it amazing that it took hi

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread dhbailey
Randolph Peters wrote: If you want to see music engraving done "old school," there is a fascinating video at this URL: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.e

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-24 Thread Michael Cook
The URL points to an 80 MB WMV file, so it might take a while to load: I saved the file to my hard disk and it was well worth the wait. The video was apparently made in 1997 and the engraver is just incredible. On 24 Sep 2006, at 05:56, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I started to open the URL, b

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I started to open the URL, but it was taking so long, I gave up. Maybe I'll relax and try again. Dean On Sep 23, 2006, at 7:10 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Absolutely fascinating!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: If you want to see music engraving

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-23 Thread ThomaStudios
Absolutely fascinating!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: If you want to see music engraving done "old school," there is a fascinating video at this URL: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-23 Thread Chuck Israels
Astounding! Chuck On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Great video. It makes our complaints seem petty and pathetic. Richard Yates http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Fin

Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-23 Thread Richard Yates
Great video. It makes our complaints seem petty and pathetic. Richard Yates > http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video

2006-09-23 Thread Randolph Peters
If you want to see music engraving done "old school," there is a fascinating video at this URL: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/fina