Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

At 6:58 AM -0400 8/17/06, dhbailey wrote: I think that this is the dichotomy between "classical" (or Dennis's "non-pop") music and pop/jazz music. In a string quartet or a recorder consort or a brass quintet or orchestra, I agree with Johannes that it would lead to confusion. Case in point

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 17, 2006, at 11:00 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Christopher Smith / 2006/08/17 / 10:42 AM wrote: Actually, if you want to get really picky, the #9 in the "theoretically correct" version is not really correctly spelled--it should be spelled in most contexts as a b10, or Cnat. Sorry man, I

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:49 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Christopher Smith / 2006/08/17 / 10:27 AM wrote: I certainly hope you would not spell that outline C# F G# B but rather C# E# G# B or even Db F Ab Cb but you said you avoid Cb's too. Oo, you were talking about spelling out a chord?!

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On the other hand, there's very little advantage to spelling chords "properly" in the score if you've already decided to sacrifice harmonic "correctness" for linear readability. The conductor will just have to deal with it. Then there'

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Christopher Smith / 2006/08/17 / 10:42 AM wrote: >Actually, if you want to get really picky, the #9 in the >"theoretically correct" version is not really correctly spelled--it >should be spelled in most contexts as a b10, or Cnat. Sorry man, I can't accept b10th. Did we not discuss this befo

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Christopher Smith / 2006/08/17 / 10:27 AM wrote: >I certainly hope you would not spell that outline >C# F G# B > >but rather >C# E# G# B > >or even >Db F Ab Cb > >but you said you avoid Cb's too. Oo, you were talking about spelling out a chord?! Vertically? That's totally different story. Y

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 17, 2006, at 9:53 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Anyway, aside from Tonal Gravity thing, I just thought of the situation you all might be able to relate to. See this: And let's assume no chord names are written above since this is a part for someone,

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 16, 2006, at 10:31 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Christopher Smith / 2006/08/16 / 09:14 PM wrote: Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could you spell it except with an E#? Anything else would be MORE co

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

At 06:58 AM 8/17/06 -0400, dhbailey wrote: >I think that this is the dichotomy between "classical" (or Dennis's >"non-pop") music and pop/jazz music. Hey, hey, no hyphen! :) Dennis Oh, and on topic: Dam the rhursal consekwenses, just spel the notes write so they make grimatical cents. Theirs ju

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 16, 2006, at 10:48 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 16 Aug 2006, at 9:14 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could you spell it except with an E#? Well, let's say

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 17, 2006, at 6:29 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could you spell it except with an E#? Anything else would be MORE confusing, not less. I und

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

dhbailey / 2006/08/17 / 06:32 AM wrote: >Are you trying to tell us that it's alright to fly in the face of >tradition, and write music the exact way you conceive of it, independent >of 500 years of harmonic evolution and chordal progressions? You sly >dog, you! :-) Ha-ha. Lydian Chromatic C

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 17, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: John Howell wrote: I really appreciate the comments on this question, and I am learning from them, but I just realized something. Every one of us, even those of us who know better, are assuming that 20th century bane, equal temperame

[Finale] enharmonic spelling

This is a topic that deserves careful, case by case, consideration. I have found what I believe to be good reasons to adhere to correct "harmonic" spelling, and to abandon it sometimes in favor of easier melodic reading. I have not found that "incorrect" spelling leads to intonation difficulti

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 17.08.2006 A-NO-NE Music wrote: I respectfully disagree. Most of the situations I get in is where music is read on site. I avoid B#, Cb, E# and Fb on parts including chord names, but the score needs to stay correct. In my compositions, the 'correct' means psychologi

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Darcy James Argue wrote: I agree with Raymond. For non-string players, my experience is that the relationship between the choice of enharmonic spelling and the corresponding intonation has been wildly overstated, especially when it comes to post-1900 music. As he says, a good player tunes his n

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

John Howell wrote: At 10:48 PM -0400 8/16/06, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 16 Aug 2006, at 9:14 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could you spell it except with an E#? I r

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

A-NO-NE Music wrote: Christopher Smith / 2006/08/16 / 09:14 PM wrote: Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could you spell it except with an E#? Anything else would be MORE confusing, not less. As I s

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:50 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2006/08/16 / 03:09 PM wrote: For transposed scores, I disagree. The conductor should normally have the same spelling as the players. If you make readability adjustments to the enharmonics in the pa

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2006/08/16 / 03:09 PM wrote: For transposed scores, I disagree. The conductor should normally have the same spelling as the players. If you make readability adjustments to the enharmonics in the part, those should be included in the score as well.

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On 17.08.2006 A-NO-NE Music wrote: I respectfully disagree. Most of the situations I get in is where music is read on site. I avoid B#, Cb, E# and Fb on parts including chord names, but the score needs to stay correct. In my compositions, the 'correct' means psychologically speaking, because m

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

I agree with Raymond. For non-string players, my experience is that the relationship between the choice of enharmonic spelling and the corresponding intonation has been wildly overstated, especially when it comes to post-1900 music. As he says, a good player tunes his note using his ears, n

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

John Howell wrote: I really appreciate the comments on this question, and I am learning from them, but I just realized something. Every one of us, even those of us who know better, are assuming that 20th century bane, equal temperament. In any other tuning or temperament, G# and Ab are NOT

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

John Howell / 2006/08/16 / 11:47 PM wrote: >Geez, why does music have to be so complicated?! I say "organic"! It's a living thing, y'know. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

At 10:48 PM -0400 8/16/06, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 16 Aug 2006, at 9:14 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could you spell it except with an E#? I really appreciate the

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On 16 Aug 2006, at 9:14 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could you spell it except with an E#? Well, let's say the progression is C#7 - F#mi7 and the line is (descendi

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Christopher Smith / 2006/08/16 / 09:14 PM wrote: >Even in a piece without a key signature, if you had a C#7 chord >resolving to F#m, and the melody outlined the C#7 chord, how could >you spell it except with an E#? Anything else would be MORE >confusing, not less. As I said "psychologically

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

John Howell wrote: At 12:48 PM -0400 8/16/06, Raymond Horton wrote: Yes, but all of those should be enharmonically changed in both the score and the parts. I would ordinarily agree, but I'm not sure it's true in this case. (Or that it isn't!!) In the case of parts, you are changing the

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:50 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2006/08/16 / 03:09 PM wrote: For transposed scores, I disagree. The conductor should normally have the same spelling as the players. If you make readability adjustments to the enharmonics in the part, those should be includ

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Darcy James Argue / 2006/08/16 / 03:09 PM wrote: >For transposed scores, I disagree. The conductor should normally have >the same spelling as the players. If you make readability adjustments >to the enharmonics in the part, those should be included in the score >as well. I respectfully disa

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

On 16 Aug 2006, at 2:49 PM, John Howell wrote: In the case of parts, you are changing the tablature by using enharmonic equivalents and giving it precedence over proper chord spelling. In the case of the score, the conductor needs to be able to read the chords, which should be spelled prop

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

At 12:48 PM -0400 8/16/06, Raymond Horton wrote: Yes, but all of those should be enharmonically changed in both the score and the parts. I would ordinarily agree, but I'm not sure it's true in this case. (Or that it isn't!!) In the case of parts, you are changing the tablature by using en

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

John Howell wrote: At 12:15 AM -0400 8/15/06, Raymond Horton wrote: Richard Yates wrote: The Fin2K7 brochure says that a feature of linked parts is "Show different enharmonic spellings between the score and part." Can someone explain to me how this would ever be a useful feature? Richard

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

At 12:15 AM -0400 8/15/06, Raymond Horton wrote: Richard Yates wrote: The Fin2K7 brochure says that a feature of linked parts is "Show different enharmonic spellings between the score and part." Can someone explain to me how this would ever be a useful feature? Richard Yates If you had a

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Thanks, David. > > The Fin2K7 brochure says that a feature of linked parts is "Show different > > enharmonic spellings between the score and part." > > > > Can someone explain to me how this would ever be a useful feature? > > > > Some editors/composers/arrangers like to make the parts be as > un-

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Richard Yates wrote: The Fin2K7 brochure says that a feature of linked parts is "Show different enharmonic spellings between the score and part." Can someone explain to me how this would ever be a useful feature? Some editors/composers/arrangers like to make the parts be as un-error-prone as

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

Richard Yates wrote: The Fin2K7 brochure says that a feature of linked parts is "Show different enharmonic spellings between the score and part." Can someone explain to me how this would ever be a useful feature? Richard Yates If you had a concert pitch score, you might want to simply s

[Finale] Enharmonic spelling and parts

The Fin2K7 brochure says that a feature of linked parts is "Show different enharmonic spellings between the score and part." Can someone explain to me how this would ever be a useful feature? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu htt