Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-23 Thread Christopher Smith
Darcy, I tried that, but it didn't work. I think there is some internal measure that is messed up (there are a few things we can't tweak). The weirdest thing about this bug is that older files open perfectly in 2008, but new ones don't. Christopher On May 21, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Darcy Jam

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 23, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Roemer, starting page 103. He NEVER uses dotted rests in any of his examples, Hmm, I wonder if MakeMusic was trying to discourage us from using dotted eighth rests at all in handcopied-looking music by making them so kludgy in 2008?

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 21, 2008, at 4:10 PM, John Howell wrote: At 4:06 AM -0400 5/21/08, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? As for whether they're advisable

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-22 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 22 May 2008, at 2:47 AM, Ryan Beard wrote: Darcy wrote: Except in compound meters, I have no problem with dotted half rests. (I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on beat 1 of a bar of 15/8.) I would have to object to that one. Hi Ryan, That's why I said I "might even con

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Ryan Beard
Darcy wrote: >Except in compound meters, I have no problem with dotted half rests. >(I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on beat 1 of a bar of >15/8.) I would have to object to that one. I think whole rests should be reserved for a whole bar of rest--just what the name implies--in

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread John Howell
At 4:06 AM -0400 5/21/08, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? As for whether they're advisable or not, that's a different story. I personally don

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Chris, What I was suggesting was that you could artificially move the right boundary on the eighth rest character (and other flagged rest characters) "too far" to the left -- so that it falls in the middle of the rest, or even all the way to the left. This should theoretically affect t

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Christopher Smith
Darcy, I've tried it, but everything seems to be OK and nothing I do really does anything. I am assuming the 8th rest character is #228 and the dot is #46 (that's what is selected in the Doc Options>Augmentation Dots), and both have nice tight boundaries to the edges of the glyphs. The pr

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Chris, I haven't tried it, but I'm almost positive that you could fix this by adjusting the FAN for the eighth rest character in Jazz Font. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2008, at 4:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On May 21, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Michae

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Ryan Beard
I should have been clearer. I should have said "hide the 3rd beat" not "hide the middle of the bar." Personally, I don't think half rests should be used in 3/4 on beat two or beat one for that matter. It looks clumsy to me. Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Fi

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 21, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Michael Cook wrote: A couple of times I've sent a request to MakeMusic to make the handling of dotted rests more detailed. Like Darcy, I don't want dotted half rests and dotted quarter rests in 4/4, but I do want to use dotted eighth rests. I'd like an option

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi David, Except in compound meters, I have no problem with dotted half rests. (I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on beat 1 of a bar of 15/8.) In simple meters, you are right that the "one beat or less" rule for dotted rests prevails, although my preference is actually to on

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 May 2008 at 4:34, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Even in 4/4, dotted half and quarter rests should be avoided, but > there's absolutely nothing wrong with the classic dotted eight rest > +sixteenth combo. That's actually much more clear than eight rest + > sixteenth rest+ sixteenth note. T

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 May 2008 at 4:39, Christopher Smith wrote: > (BTW, I am of the "no dotted rests" school, though not hysterically. > I sometimes make exceptions for dotted half rests in 12/8 and some > composite metres.) In compound meters with dotted half as the beat, I don't see any problem with a do

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread dhbailey
Ryan Beard wrote: Thanks for the help guys. I changed the quantization settings to allow dotted rests. Now my complaint is that Finale doesn't doesn't handle rests in 9/8 correctly. Try this: Enter a single eighth note at the beginning of the measure, exit out of Speedy and let Finale fill with

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Ryan Beard
Thanks for the help guys. I changed the quantization settings to allow dotted rests. Now my complaint is that Finale doesn't doesn't handle rests in 9/8 correctly. Try this: Enter a single eighth note at the beginning of the measure, exit out of Speedy and let Finale fill with rests. For me, it pu

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Michael Cook
A couple of times I've sent a request to MakeMusic to make the handling of dotted rests more detailed. Like Darcy, I don't want dotted half rests and dotted quarter rests in 4/4, but I do want to use dotted eighth rests. I'd like an option something like "allow dotted rests only within beat

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] Kind of a strange place for that option, just the same... [snip] With each of the most recent versions, I find that options are more and more placed in less logical places (at least they're less logical to me!) but this has always been the way with the dotted

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
Yes, and those people are, at best, misguided. Rhythms of any complexity in compound meters are made even more difficult to read (and needlessly so) without dotted rests, which help visually clarify the beat structure. Even in 4/4, dotted half and quarter rests should be avoided, but ther

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 21, 2008, at 4:06 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and d

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 (Bailey's reply part II)

2008-05-21 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fi

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-21 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fi

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-20 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fill a bar with rests, it us

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

2008-05-20 Thread Ryan Beard
Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fill a bar with rests, it uses the quarter and eighth rests rather than dotted