I've enjoyed myself too. I'm pleased to meet those passionate coders.
M.
On 4/21/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello guys,
>
> I added a test here:
> http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/sound.html
>
> The good news is that the sound doesn't play in if the object is hidde
Hello guys,
I added a test here: http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/sound.html
The good news is that the sound doesn't play in if the object is hidden
with display:block. So this at least appears to work. I will add some
more thorough tests using other ActiveX types and some that ping
Hi ryanm,
I see what you are saying about the object node existing in the dom tree
in IE's (or any browser's) memory, even if the object is set to
display:none. I think the question as it relates to this hack is whether
in IE's specific implementation is downloading and running the
ActiveXObj
> > reload the page locally, I don't see the placeholder because it
> > disappears
> > before the content is replaced (the original object having loaded
> > by then).
> > But when I change it to the display:none style, it appears again
> > before the
> > m
does prevent the flash from
loading after
all!
What do you think?
Karina
-Original Message-
From: elibol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 April 2006 19:18
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Hi Karina,
Kevin Newman deserv
I'm no expert on this, there are many others here that should know the
answer but my guess is that the object is downloaded but not rendered. You
can test this by calling a javascript function from within your flash movie.
try getURL('javascript:alert("movie running");'); from within your movie.
I
Following my previous email, I thought of a better way to test
display:none
with flash.
Display:none causes the object not to be rendered, but it is still
instantiated in memory. The object exists and will begin loading, but but
will not be displayed or consume any real estate on the page.
Following my previous email, I thought of a better way to test display:none
with flash.
http://www.neo-archaic.net/display.htm has a page similar to the index page,
but instead of the replaceFlash.js script, it has a link to a script called
display.js with the following code:
// JavaScript Docume
for the object, and then changes to display:block when
> > the page has loaded. display: none removes the element from the
> > document's flow, while visibility:hidden simply makes it
> invisible. Do
> > you think this might do the trick?
> >
> > Karina
>
; do the trick?
>
> Karina
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 21 April 2006 18:48
> > To: Flashcoders mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
> >
>
Good working with it Kevin, if this last piece can be solved then it should
be very useful =]
M.
On 4/21/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the
> specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the
>
I was looking for a way to load the html document into a string that was
defined in a container style html file which would replace all the object
tags with empty object tags and load the page this way, then after the page
is loaded, it would replace the objects with their true content, however, I
essage-
> From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 April 2006 18:48
> To: Flashcoders mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
>
> Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it is
> possible to detect when an o
*
init = function(){
replaceFlash();
othercode();
}
window.onload = init;
*/
//3. Place a call to this function towards the end of the html document
//(or a reference to an external script with this function), eg:
/*replaceFlash()*/
/* */
--------------------------------
> -Original Message-
Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it is possible to
detect when an object is added to the dom tree, then I could just
replace the object before it gets a chance to load, so I guess I
wouldn't need to disable it. So now I guess the question is if it is
possible to detect when
Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the
specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the
merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work).
If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added
to th
Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to
prevent it from loading?
Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML
is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if
it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag
Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to
prevent it from loading?
Thanks,
Kevin N.
Geoff Stearns wrote:
setting display:none won't stop anything from loading, so it will load
twice. (or load part way and then load again, etc.)
On Apr 21, 2006, at 1:08 AM, K
setting display:none won't stop anything from loading, so it will
load twice. (or load part way and then load again, etc.)
On Apr 21, 2006, at 1:08 AM, Kevin Newman wrote:
I change it so that it might work on all Objects. :-)
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/
I took care of tha
I change it so that it might work on all Objects. :-)
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/
I took care of that loading forever bug too.
Does anyone know if setting display:none on an object prevents it from
loading? If not, then double loading is the only thing left to take care of.
This issue applies to all three activeX controls i use + Flash.
On 4/20/06, elibol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've modified it to transfer FlashVars
>
> http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/
>
>
> On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > All I'm doing to try and kee
Sweet presentation man.
On 4/20/06, Geoff Stearns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested, I gave a presentation to the minnesota flash
> user group last night about FlashObject, and it included a bit of
> Eolas info in it.
>
> it was basically a general rundown of the benefits of u
I've modified it to transfer FlashVars
http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/
On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all
> objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent
> objects f
If anyone is interested, I gave a presentation to the minnesota flash
user group last night about FlashObject, and it included a bit of
Eolas info in it.
it was basically a general rundown of the benefits of using
FlashObject and a primer for getting started using it.
view it here:
http:/
Another drawback: (that might be problematic in some cases). This technique
has the "double run" problem. I mean, the flash movie might start running,
before the javascript had a change to do its magic of "replacing it".
Depending on what the flash movie is doing and timing, the result might do a
"
Yes absolutely.
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/
In this example, at least on my machine, it drops the "flashvars" for the
( is fine).
You can see for yourself if you carefully read the alert box text: the
tag has its flashvars but the does not have it (value is an
empty string).
All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all
objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent
objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn for
some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything.
It looks like it does
Do you have a link to someplace that I can check out those other
scripts, or discussion of them? It'd be better to pool the effort rather
than working individually.
By the way, if I add an alert to take a look at what gets returned when
I access the outerHTML property, it shows a lot of params
FlashObject seems to work well.. Just downloaded and Installed IE7 - my site
still works without having to activate it, which is a relief, but I have to
click to activate anything at macromedia.com. The aforemention hgtv.com also
works without activation.
One odd thing after installing IE7 - m
Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of
Firefox/alternative web browsers...
Why? ActiveX is a far superior plugin framework to Mozilla plugins.
You're only one step from the slashdotters, who say you should just stop
using Flash alltogether.
ryanm
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t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
>
>
> How about we come up with a way to hack the windows updating server and
> dispatch a hot fix
there's been a couple other people sending scripts around that do the
exact same thing as yours, but IE handles inner/outerHTML very
poorly, so I think it drops the param tags inside the object tag...
or something like that.
On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Kevin Newman wrote:
You know, I ac
It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object:
http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html
The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as
if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers
perspective.
Besides this, seems like a
The problem is the automatic interaction of embedded objects within the
current document. As long as the object doesn't allow interaction
automatically from within the current document it doesn't violate the
patent. Which is why you have to embed the object from an external
source (a linked js
You know, I actually didn't check it out that thoroughly. I'll take a
look some time.
Why would it break params, if you happen to know off hand?
Thanks. :-)
Kevin N.
Geoff Stearns wrote:
doesn't this method break flashvars and other params?
On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote
Who put acid into Elibol's tea?
- Original Message -
From: "elibol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
How about we come up with a w
Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is
to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is
loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force
activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after th
How about we come up with a way to hack the windows updating server and
dispatch a hot fix to override the active object activation? We could have
the hotfix include a procedure which replaced the windows server updaters
server locator to lookup servers at some arbitrary domain that maps to our
ow
doesn't this method break flashvars and other params?
On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote:
I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already
been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-)
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/
A super tiny js file in
I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been
defined in the html object. So I made this: :-)
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/
A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object
activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the jo
> Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X,
> Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch.
>
> Has nothing to do with a court ruling.
>
> Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for
> Adobe.
That's absurd. They lost a suit to Eolas. Microsoft had several
> Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE.
Good luck with that.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
Chicago, Baltimore, N
you could do this with flashobject really easily.
just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object
you target with your flash movie.
On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote:
I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like
Dean Edwards's IE
Maybe Microsoft took their own initiative, but it is still a reaction to
Eoals. If Eolas wasn't pushing their bogus patent,
Microsoft would not have done this. Its silly to say they did this to
hurt Adobe as it affects all active x objects
including Microsoft's own windows media player. The on
Maybe Microsoft took their own initiative, but it is still a reaction to Eoals.
If Eolas wasn't pushing their bogus patent,
Microsoft would not have done this. Its silly to say they did this to hurt
Adobe as it affects all active x objects
including Microsoft's own windows media player. The o
Thanks for the resource Kevin, this looks like a useful library.
On 4/20/06, elibol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> =]
>
> For your question, this article seems relevant:
> http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/dynamicCSS.php
>
> M.
>
>
> On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>
=]
For your question, this article seems relevant:
http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/dynamicCSS.php
M.
On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean
> Edwards's IE 7 script:
> http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/
>
I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean
Edwards's IE 7 script:
http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/
There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them.
Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from
loading? By that I mean, I want to
Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE.
On 4/20/06, Chad Mefferd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ditto
>
> On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Zárate wrote:
>
> > Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of
> > Firefox/alternative web browsers...
> >
> > Bye!
> >
> > O
ditto
On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Zárate wrote:
Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of
Firefox/alternative web browsers...
Bye!
On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well said Lee.
Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object,
Embed a
Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of
Firefox/alternative web browsers...
Bye!
On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well said Lee.
>
> Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed
> activation in their latest IE patch.
>
> Has not
Well said Lee.
Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed
activation in their latest IE patch.
Has nothing to do with a court ruling.
Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for
Adobe.___
Flashcoders@cha
I was under the impression that the update was dispatched to detain the
patent...
On 4/19/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I found this piece of information very interesting:
> >
> > ...Reacting to news that the next cumulative IE security
> > update will require an extra mouse-clic
This article shed's a little more light on the reality of Microsoft's
browser changes.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/31/1840255
I have a hard time taking anyone who describes an article on slashdot as
"shedding more light on reality" seriously. :-P
ryanm
_
This might be a question with an obvious answer.
Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other
browsers?
Is the way IE embeds different to how other browsers handle the embed?
Nope, EOLAS plainly stated that they are doing it to hurt and take money
from MS, and that t
In every case i've heard of, checking the 'disable script debugging'
has fixed it.
If you can reproduce your issue of always having the 'click to
activate' box showing up, even when all the known bugs are accounted
for, I'm sure Microsoft would like to hear about it.
There is also a nice
> I found this piece of information very interesting:
>
> ...Reacting to news that the next cumulative IE security
> update will require an extra mouse-click to interact with
> certain embedded multimedia content, Eolas Chief Operating
> Officer Mark Swords called on the software maker to purch
> Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not
> with other browsers?
Eolas only sued Microsoft. If they sue anyone else who makes browsers in the
future, this problem may occur with those browsers.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provid
Ryan you seem to have hacked this problem inside and out
with no luck. Could you and others with a solid understanding
on this problem explain exactly what has been tried as work
arounds? Maybe we can find a solution if we're all caught up
with what's already been done.
As best as I can tell,
I've been thinking about this too.
On 4/19/06, Claudia Barnal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This might be a question with an obvious answer.
>
> Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other
> browsers?
>
> Is the way IE embeds different to how other browsers handle the emb
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> To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
>
>
> I found this piece of information very interesting:
>
> ...Reacting to news that the next cumulativ
Claudia Barnal wrote:
Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other browsers?
Microsoft is the only browser maker which has currently found a need to
change the way its browser handles OBJECT, EMBED, or APPLET tags. They
have also been the only browser maker targeted by
This might be a question with an obvious answer.
Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other browsers?
Is the way IE embeds different to how other browsers handle the embed?
_
Express yourself instantly wit
news story cited at Slashdot felt the need to clarify it
because it was already clear.
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From: "elibol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE act
Tom Lee wrote:
It also does a lot of other things, and in a unique execution order. There
are any number of variables that could cause it to behave differently than
UFO or FlashObject... But now that you mention it, FlashObject works for me
too, although my own attempts at dynamically embedding
I found this piece of information very interesting:
...Reacting to news that the next cumulative IE security update will require
an extra mouse-click to interact with certain embedded multimedia content,
Eolas Chief Operating Officer Mark Swords called on the software maker to
purchase a patent li
This article shed's a little more light on the reality of Microsoft's
browser changes.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/31/1840255
-Chad
On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's
settlement with
Eolas over a patent
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I've run into issues in Yahoo's Music site, where that site embeds
Microsoft's own Medi
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
SIFR does what all the other solutions do (UFO, FlashObject, etc.): use
JavaScript to dynamically embed the ActiveX control.
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From: "Tom Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "&#
I've run into issues in Yahoo's Music site, where that site embeds
Microsoft's own Media Player, so it definitely doesn't just affect
Flash. Besides it's so easy to get around the problem with Javascript
(in most cases) - just make sure that the code that most directly
inserts the html into the
Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:51 AM
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How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive
via a compei
JesterXL
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:51 AM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive
via a compeitive advantage? Smart move on their part, although I really
dislike
> Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security
> feature to put spanners in works for Adobe?
It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's settlement with
Eolas over a patent violation, and it negatively affects any interactive use
of ActiveX controls, not just Flash.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:49 AM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Yes guys, it's a pretty conspicuous situation.
Ryan you seem to have hacked this problem inside and out with no luck. Could
yo
lthough I really
> dislike how they broke the interweb.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chad Mefferd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in
s mailing list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Seems pretty obvious to me.
-Chad
On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote:
> Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to
>
Chad
Mefferd
Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to
access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I
encounter no problems vi
] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to
access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I
encounter no problems viewing flash content.
-Chad
On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote:
> What you ar
It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to
access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I
encounter no problems viewing flash content.
-Chad
On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote:
What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying
What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the
latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still
fails.
The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches.
Does it work for you?
http://www.macromedia.com/
You said that "
You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external
.js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information.
No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the
innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some
cases, apparently diue to an MS
You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See
adobe/macormedia's site for more information.
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/articles/before_after.html
This shows the (ugly) workaround. Cheers
John -
On 4/17/06, ryanm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
I'll second the 'disable script debugging' issue... you should make
sure that the box is checked and quit/restart the browser window.
A reboot wouldn't hurt, but it shouldn't be necessary.
On Apr 17, 2006, at 7:33 PM, ryanm wrote:
Just for fun, you might want to see if this is limited to F
Just for fun, you might want to see if this is limited to Flash, or if it
affects other ActiveX controls. Unfortunately, I can't think of any other
ActiveX controls on public sites offhand, but I ran into an issue today
with
a rich text editor that's an ActiveX control.
Not limited to flash
Sounds like the debugging option in IE/Win:
"External script technique does not work when the 'Disable Script
Debugging (Internet Explorer)' check box is cleared. Microsoft is
investigating this problem and plans to fix it in a future cumulative
update."
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/9129
ryanm wrote:
> ... [all SWFs in IE/Win require "click to activate" ]
Sounds like the debugging option in IE/Win:
"External script technique does not work when the 'Disable Script
Debugging (Internet Explorer)' check box is cleared. Microsoft is
investigating this problem and plans to fix
> I have several workstations here at work that require
> activation every time, on every flash piece, on every site.
> No one is exempt:
> Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc (all sites that I
> know have activation workarounds in place), all of them have
> flash on their sites and al
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