ther but I am evaluating MyEclipse Enterprise Workbench and
wondered if anyone has tried the Flex Plug-in here.
Thanks for the opinions,
Robert
When scrolling, the labels on the grid turn into those that the
recycled item renderer used. I tried using this.data to overwrite
the values every time. The new listData object has the correct
label and so I thought it was working, but there is a url I need in
the current rows' XML for the bu
You have something wrong with explorer config, try check "switch off
script debuging" in browser settings, maybe your have also script
debuger installed from microsoft site.
rw
Thomas Rühl -akitogo- wrote:
>
>
> Hello list,
> i just came across a new bug(?) in my FlexBuilder installation - maybe
gt;
>> SOME DOCS
>>
>
> Have you tried the OpenOffice site ?
>
>
I think you want server side program that (using xslt) generate
openoffice xml doc with swf data, compress them. OO docs are rather big
regards to visual information stored there.
Robert
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The version of FlexStore in the final product does not have Check-Out where it displays what I recall were UPS and FedX selections. It still remains extremely cool though.Did the previous Store example have a UPS example working for someone with a UPS Developer Key, or was that just a mock-up?I
w:PrintAreaVO=PrintAreaVO(data.printAreas[i])
//trace("is instance: "+(row is PrintAreaVO)) //traces "is
instance: true"
}
Robert Was
Andrea Varga wrote:
Hi All!
I'm going to ask my question through an example. (I'm using Cairngorm,
but I think
classes. User and admin
part has one main mxml file. If i want test one part of application
flexbuilder compiles whole application. Is any trick to separate
compilation of my modules?
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Maybe you in "Adobe Flex Builder 2 Extensibility " manual you found
simple solution but in practical life i found that close>open
project refresh that information
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Sergey Kovalyov wrote:
Hi All!
When working in team with SVN and updating .actionScr
registerClassAlias( "vd.vo.ProductVO", ProductVO )
php:
class ProductVO{
public $_explicitType="vd.vo.ProductVO";
...
works for me in swf to php and reversed direction
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Oriol Gual wrote:
Hi,
I've been using Flex and AMFPHP for a while, but
It is Reanaun's RemoteObjectAMF0, it works form me with php5, cairngorm
0.99, flex2
Robert Was
Oriol Gual wrote:
Well, it wasn't PHP 4, it was my fault. But, I still receive a
plain Object, not an object of my class. I'm using Renaun's solution to
connect to
, but VO are bloated if i use it in
different context, for example sometimes my Product should has image
I manage that structure view in swf but if i want persist them that
should i do - just send whole tree to server via VO and create sql
queries? I use cairngorm, amfphp.
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Hi,
Has anyone done a comparison between Flex2 and
OpenLaszlo?
If someone can share his/her experience, it will be
great.
TIA
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I have following XML and I would like to create a
tree out of it.
The ou
What is the best way to regression test a flex app
?
Does flex provide any regression testing suite for
testing flex apps like JUNit, HTTPUnit ?
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There are 2 recent events that have complicated Flash Installs that even SWFObject (formerly FlashObject) cannot handle.#1. Foxfire Now Comes Installed Default with Script Blocking. So, the very thing that made Flash successful (almost instantaneous installation even over 56k modem) is now moot
Hello Mike,
I am pasting some sample code below, and
it seems to work ok as I click on the rows of the DataGrid. If this works for
you, could you please send me your sample code and I'll take a look at how
you're implementing it? By the way, if you send your code in a zip file,
please
Dear Adobe,Internet Explorer requires SWFObject (and it works).Firefox now disables _javascript_ and some of my potetial visitors say they can't enter the site.I've noticed Adobe appears to:1. Run/Install Flash for IE.2. Display JPEG or GIF for Flash Movies and place a notice that "This site may
d like
to reduce the maintenance of this by rebuilding it using the Flex Framework. Is
it possible to load Flex SWFs into vanilla AS3 SWFs and have them interoperate
happily? It's purely the UI stuff I'll be using.
Hope this isn't too
much to ask in one go :)
Thanks,
Robert
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Is there any way to force the sort direction arrows on a DataGridColumn
to be displayed? What I need to do is save the direction a column has
been sorted and then when the user reloads the app I have to set the
grid up just like they last left it.
I can easily enough sort the data correctly on
http://dougmccune.com/blog/2007/01/17/animatedgifloader/
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away from the
page refresh.
Robert Shaw
972-463-3515
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flex/201/html/dpcontrols_062_22.html
Hard to say exactly what you need, but an iconFunction might be what you
are looking for.
Specifying Tree control icons
The Tree control provides four techniques for specifying node icons:
* The folderOpenIcon, folder
hursday, February 22, 2007 2:57 PM
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The solution that Yiðit Boyar provided is what I need.
My question now is the PHP code that is given above, can I
I am trying to use the showDataTips property of the DataGridColumn. The
documentation states:
"Datatips are tooltips designed to show the text that is too long for
the row. "
I swear that in Flash, the similar functionality (whatever it was called
- not showDataTips) would only show the toolTi
ation">
How do I manipulate the Grid that was created?
Lost and no books. I am a pretty good Java programmer and this looks straight
forward. Just a little lost.
Robert Shaw
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] Re: DataGridColumn showDataTips problem
Are you also setting the dataTipFunction property? That would
cause
the bahavior you're seeing.
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For the project I am on now, it is just me.
For the project that is being designed it will be a team. We have 3
inhouse Flex devs currently (myself and 2 others) and will either be
hiring more or bringing in some consultants.
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or if your container uses absolute positioning you would need to use
contentToGlobal
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Hello,
I am looking for about 20 web developers to help me with a small web
project. Any web language, any level of developer. And you can make
some money as well.
Drop me an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info
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Are you sure you want to be capturing a capital "C" (keyCode == 67)? I
think I am using keyCode == 17 for lowercase "c" (but you will want to
double check).
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Se
yourDataGrid.addEventListener(ListEvent.ITEM_CLICK, setColumnCopy);
function setColumnCopy(){
_selectedCol = yourDataGrid.columns[event.columnIndex].dataField;
Alert.show(yourDataGrid.selectedItem[_selectedCol]);
}
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[ma
Please disregard my reply... i got my code from a coworker and after
some testing based on your post I believe the code I am using is
incorrect.
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We plan to add an additional developer over the next two weeks
(any
ideas where to find a respectable one?)
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Hello,
I am beta testing a new site I created for code snippets. I needed a
place to store my snippets and thus created www.CodeFetcher.com
What it needs now is other developers adding in their own snippets.
To get people motivated I will give away 3 licenses of my Flash
animation tool www.Scul
One thing to look at would be dispatch a HEADER_RELEASE event on the
datagrid. Its not the most straightforward fix, and will take a little
tweaking to get to work right, but it is doable.
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I am having the same problem. At least from where I am standing there
doesn't appear to be a way to capture the second key. I also get true
for the value of event.ctrlKey and 17 for event.keyCode.
Anyone have any insight?
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Flash Player dropping the
second event, or is IE blocking it?
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System.setClipboard("stringerr")
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My Flex app is hitting a ColdFusion backend. If I call a function whose
access is set to "remote", everything works as expected. If that remote
function calls a "private" accessible function within the same .cfc
using the "this" keyword, it cannot find the function. If I don't use
the "this" key
Two of my coworkers and I took those 2 particular classes through
Figleaf Training in Washington DC. The instructor was very knowledgable
and the training materials were pretty much your run-of-the-mill book w/
accompanying CD.
Overall we were very pleased with the courses. The 3 of us are al
This is not a Cairngorm requirement it is a Flex requirement.
Anytime you subclass the Event class you are required to override
Event.clone(). I believe it is mainly for event bubbling - I'm sure
someone else can clarify more.
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Hello,
I just added a Flex category to my open source code site
www.CodeFetcher.com
Would love if we can get a good group of Flex programmers involved.
Thanks.Rob
the shell script send me an email, but, we're testing out how to work
and integrate fds and wanted to see this sort of notification strategy
in action.
/r
http://www.searchcoders.com/flex/?dataservicetransaction+php+net
jwp2k_uva wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Thanks a milli
howdy,
i'm not sure what classes are defined in your modules or if you're using
load-externs and external-library-path when compiling your module
projects. but what i have found is that if a module has a class linked
in that is the exact same class (and comes from the same swc, say
framework.
Hi Adam,
It sounds like flex builder is not including your interface in the swc.
Go into your library's properties, select "Flex Library Build Path" on
the left. On the right, select the "Classes" tab. Look through the
tree and make sure that the checkbox for your interface is checked. If
i
I don't believe the Image component will actually animate the animated gif.
The only thing I've seen is a component (not free) written by Doug McCune -
http://dougmccune.com/blog/2007/01/17/animatedgifloader/.
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have you tried using invalidateList?
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Subject
Hi,
I too am having difficulties with loading modules in apollo. Please
correct me if i'm wrong but it seems that the current behaviour is that
only local swfs placed and referenced from the app-storage directory can
be loaded as modules?
Here's a bit of code to test. First, make a regular F
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Thanks for your suggest
7 4:05 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Tree bug?
Hi Robert,
Here is a test app which demonstrates the problem:
http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml
<http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml&g
J'm looking in google for flex bug list but not found any. Is any
official or not bug list for flex2? I found some issues and i am in the
balance: bugs or my incomplete knowledge.
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Robert
Joan Lafferty wrote:
There is a
list of bugs in the Flex 2
release notes. This isn’t a list of every bug that we have logged
internally,
but, just a list of bugs that we felt n
Thanks, i found everything in ref. doc
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Igor Costa wrote:
Robert, did you check out the LiveDocs for it?
Regards.
On 10/26/06, Robert W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]pl>
wrote:
I not found list of
accepted css properties for TextField in as3/flex2
in ref
Swf content can be small as possible, you swf content not must be
mx:Application but for example
package
{
import flash.display.Sprite;
public class MyClass extends Sprite
{
...
}
}
and you not embed flex framework in swf
Robert Was
Flex Learner wrote
;;
xmlns:local="*" creationComplete="evCreationComplete()">
and component: TreeSubitemsEditor.mxml
http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml"; >
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your serwe side returns stored data.
Robert Was
Stacy Young wrote:
At this time
the flash player only returns
a status code. I was stuck on this myself …I got around it by storing
the
result in a session variable and retrieving it via separate remote call
to the
server. Caution: this
when the sales first went
to demo. They went in for round two this past week and the app will not
pass 8% on any of their machines.
Any suggestions?
robert l. brueckmann
vice president
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phone: 212.822.4821
fax: 212.822.4820
when the sales first went
to demo. They went in for round two this past week and the app will not
pass 8% on any of their machines.
Any suggestions?
robert l. brueckmann
vice president
merlin securities
712 fifth avenue
new york, ny 10019
phone: 212.82
Hi Ben,
The code below changes that bottom border. Is this what you're trying
to do? I am sending along a screen shot.
http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml";
layout="absolute">
g(slicedRegionData.source));
Without the .slice, output the exact same data, but the region detail
does not auto update without using the .slice code. WHY??? Thanks for
any insight on this.
Robert
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Sorry for bumping this, just hoping someone has an idea.
Thanks,
Robert>>> "Robert Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/8/2006 4:47 pm >>>
In Adobe's dashboard sample app, http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/samples/dashboard/ it assigns a charting component
I have no idea where to begin my search terminology in the archive to
see if anyone has asked/answered this already...I tried an infinite
number of combinations to no avail, so I'm starting a new thread in
hopes that someone can help.
I'm using a split directory development/deployment model f
Nevermind...I switch to the Flex Development perspective in Eclipse
which I forgot about and found all the settings I needed to set to
change the main source folder to accommodate my situation.
Thanks and sorry for the useless query!
robert l. brueckmann
vice president
merlin
i'm assuming it is referring to
http://blogs.adobe.com/rgonzalez/flex/
scan down, there are a few posts relating to the use of modules
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On 04/01/07, Robert Chyko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i'm assuming it is referring to
http://blogs.adobe.com/rgonzalez/flex/
<http://blogs.adobe.com/rgonzalez/flex
You don't have to read it Tim.
It's Bruce's personal opinion just as your request is a personal request.
It's real simple, you don't own this ofrum.
And I'm not sure personal requests are given priority here.
I happen to agree with Bruce; and I'm totally devoted to Adobe.
-r
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Fair enough Robert. Go ahead, make this flashcoders 2. Subject
dropped.
-TH
btw, all I own is my keyboard.
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> You don't have to read it Tim.
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I found that fb conflict with WTP css editor (WTP is eclipse
subproject). But i can't use wtp css editor, not flex. Maybe eclipse log
show you answer.
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Paolo Bernardini wrote:
> I noticed that under flexbuilder (either stand-alone or plug-in
> version) preference/Flex/Editors, in version 2.0 t
If you necessary want copy files from source dir you can make this via
ant script with switched off "Copy non-embedded..." option
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Jim Robson wrote:
>
> Lieven:
>
> In Flex Builder, go to Project Properties -> Flex Compiler and
> deselect "Copy non-embedded files to output directory"
>
> Also
If you are using FDS you have the option of deploying the already
compiled .swf or you can just deploy .mxml files which are then compiled
on the server the first time they are accessed.
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Regarding #2, I believe this was changed with the 2.0.1 update, you
would have to check the release notes to confirm.
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Yesterday I just refactored the project I am working on to use code
behind. I had not planned on keeping script blocks in the MXML files,
but being fairly new to Flex, when everything began working correctly I
sort of forgot about it until some of the script blocks started
getting larger and l
The .mxml files get translated into .as files of the same name. So
basically you then have 2 index.as files... which obviously is going to
give you problems.
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folder in Outlook every couple of days and haven't
seen anyone posting anything about this recently...
Anyone?
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thanks for posting the example.. this is something that is on my to-do list so
I will be checking it out
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I must have missed your first post, but I am having the same problem.
If no one else has any other suggestions I'll have to start using
ModuleManager as well.
Thanks for updating us with your findings.
Bob
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[mailto
.
Also I saw in the release notes that BEA Weblogic and one of the IBM
Rational versions is supported with the plug-in. I personally haven't used
either but I am evaluating MyEclipse Enterprise Workbench and wondered if
anyone has tried the Flex Plug-in here.
Thanks for the opinions,
Robert
Well a lot of Adobe employees are on the west coast of the US, so it is
still pretty early there on a Monday morning don't worry, I'm sure
you'll hear something (maybe not what you want to hear, but still
something).
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Thanks Irina and Mike... got that working now.
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http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/flex/2/releasenotes_flex2_
fds.html
85034 - TextArea uses UNIX-style line endings, which means that text
data containing Windows-style carriage-return line-feed (that is, \r\n)
formatting for new lines contain extra line breaks. You can use
String.re
Hello,
Besides Yahoo Maps can I get examples of content type sites using Flex II?
It seems like 99% of RIA sites are in Ajax.
ThanksRob
I am currently working on a project that was supposed to be a learning
experience for me in using both Cairngorm and modules. I was running
into the same thing you guys are and (while I hate to admit this) I had
to ditch both Cairngorm and modules because my deadline is super tight
and I wasn't ma
Has anyone figured out how to embed HTML banner ads from DoubleClick
or 24/7 into a Flex app?
ThanksRob
PRE-TEXT: Just some encouragement. You guys at Adobe are smart and I know you can put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support
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uld just use the iframe
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Are we talking about a site that allows component creators to post their components, go through and approval process, then be added to a catalog, be compensated for purchase; maybe affiliate programs also?"Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I would use it and would be willi
ALL OF US WOULD BE VERY GREATFUL, I'm sure.This is a hot-topic period.I've heard rumors for quite sometime about Adobe/Macr. including some sort of Rich Text Editor. F'load has changed their licensing policy on their control and it sucks now you have to pay for each site; MXP's rule; so do .SWC
Did anyone read the "OpenGL & Mobile Devices" article in Dr. Dobb's Journal, Page 30, June 2006 (www.ddj.com)?I'm really focused on the client side with FLEX for the long-long-term and I want ADOBE to be able to compete and lead over Mickeysoft in their Sparkle Effort.Of course DirectX is very p
vertical labels but it would still be nice to have
that extra visual aid…
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
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Thanks a lot Ely. Much appreciated for
both options!
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I know there is a great FLEX 1.0 example that I love called "Shopping Cart" but I can't find it for FLEX 2.0 -- are there any major changes? I would think there would be a few. I know the store is available for download but is it Cairngorm 2 design.Claudia Barnal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
awfully high but I am
using a lot of components within components…charts in accordion panes in
viewstacks with datagrids behind them, etc….
So…I just was curious what the
typical flex app running in these browsers costs my fellow developers in memory…anyone?
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robert l
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Re: belowRegarding this Vista, I've seen this little thing called "Sparkle" -- a reincantation of a purely failed effort to compete against Flash back a few years ago (it was sad). But this time around, Microsoft may intend to do what it has done to other competitors regarding Adobe, and th
Grudge, Wisdom, Warning or...or read again...Michael Schmalle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Man, You must have been burned by that stove bad.. It's not healthy holding a grudge this hard! Peace, Mike.On 6/7/06, Robert Thompson <[EMAIL PRO
You guys at ADOBE are doing great and are going far above what many organizations will do. And most of all YOU CAN BE TRUSTED.Anyone (like this guy) who complains about support in a Beta should have a little more patience. By the way, you may want to make sure he doesn't have an alias named "S
Okay Valy, let's end it here...I did not start the commentary.The response was from a message to someone asking if Adobe is a reasonable business partner -- a pretty serious accusation and there's plenty of room for response to this accusation; and that's all.Although I agree commentary should n
d outs can be informed and more of the truth many have seen in documents with their own eyes can be told to the pubic.Innovative Inventors & Patent TROLLSThe Truth About Microsoft Patents and ISVsA call to all MS ISVs to check your State LawsDue 2007.Anyone who copies the title before it'
I think you might be interpreting the "showy shopping cart" as you call it as really a client side app that manages data mostly on the client side; and maintains integrity through publish & subscribe.If I were you, and anybody out there, I think it's rather obvious that most of us will run into
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