Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-21 Thread Lee Elliott
On Monday 20 September 2004 08:39, Vivian Meazza wrote: {snip...] Lee, Here's some pics off the effects I obtained: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/zero_drag-full_g ravity.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/zero_gravity-acc elerating.jpg

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-20 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:48 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Sunday 19 September 2004 10:42, Vivian Meazza wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:28 PM

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Horst J. Wobig
Lee Elliott wrote: ---snip If it wasn't for the fact that the same model works for you I'd suspect I'd got something wrong in the set-up. How do I fire the cannon in the Spitfire? I can't see a key-mapping anywhere. I suppose I could fire it via the property browser but that just makes me feel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Hmm... (part 2) Just tried firing the Spitfire cannon via the property browser and while I could hear the cannon firing I couldn't see anything leaving the a/c. Could a library version mismatch cause this? There must be a problem at this end because it works for you on your system

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:28 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model ...snip .. Hmm... (part 2) Just tried firing the Spitfire cannon via the property browser and while I could hear

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Arnt Karlsen Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:41 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:21:13 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... snip ... I can do all

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Sunday 19 September 2004 10:42, Vivian Meazza wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:28 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model ...snip .. Hmm... (part 2) Just tried firing the Spitfire

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:23:35 +0200, Horst wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can hear the cannon firing I can see (very)little red dots from within the cockpit seeming to leave the cannon I can see (very)little red dots from outside seeming to leave the cannon I stops after - hmm...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:17:22 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:41 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:21:13 +0100

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 September 2004 23:59, Vivian Meazza wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:06 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Saturday 18 September 2004 19:05, Vivian Meazza wrote

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Giles Robertson
..quite right, some of this is caused by the turbulence, some of it by the bomb release mechanism letting go of the bomb. Also, there are those refreshingly wild stories of guys having to enter the bomb bay to kick out bombs riding that turbulent airflow. ;-) Can we model the Dr.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Giles Robertson Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 6:02 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model ..quite right, some of this is caused by the turbulence, some of it by the bomb release mechanism letting go of the bomb

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Gene Buckle
Now let's see. What's the Cd of a human - 1.0 - 1.3? Area seated astride a booomb - 4 sq ft? Make allowance for silly hat - 2 sq ft? Yup, we can do that. I love it. You can have a special parameter for it: slim_pickens=1. :) G -- I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal! Proud owner of

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-19 Thread Giles Robertson
The Stetson is being spun, so there's actually a twisting effect there as well. Giles Robertson -Original Message- From: Gene Buckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2004 22:42 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:57 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Friday 17 September 2004 16:09, Vivian Meazza wrote: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:03 AM

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:09:12 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:03 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:56:42 +0100

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Arnt Karlsen wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:47 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:09:12 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Sent: Friday

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 September 2004 10:14, Vivian Meazza wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:57 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Friday 17 September 2004 16:09, Vivian Meazza wrote: Arnt

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:03 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Saturday 18 September 2004 10:14, Vivian Meazza wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:57 PM

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 September 2004 15:44, Vivian Meazza wrote: [snip...] It's just occurred to me that I'm using my local version, so it's possible that I haven't asked Erik to upload one of the multitude of files it requires to alter one parameter, or there's something wrong with the files I sent

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: It's just occurred to me that I'm using my local version, so it's possible that I haven't asked Erik to upload one of the multitude of files it requires to alter one parameter, or there's something wrong with the files I sent in. It's definitely OK here with your model. I'll

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:44 PM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model ... Snip ... Hmm... It's just occurred to me that although my cvs is up to date, I haven't copied over the base package data

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 September 2004 19:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: I wrote Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:44 PM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model ... Snip ... Hmm... It's just occurred to me that although my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 September 2004 19:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: I wrote Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:44 PM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model ... Snip ... Hmm... It's just occurred to me that although my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 September 2004 23:06, Lee Elliott wrote: On Saturday 18 September 2004 19:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: I wrote Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:44 PM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Lee Elliott
: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model ... Snip ... Hmm... It's just occurred to me that although my cvs is up to date, I haven't copied over the base package data for a couple of days - is there anything in there that could be causing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Lee Elliott
with ballistic sub-model On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:09:12 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:03 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:06 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Saturday 18 September 2004 19:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: I wrote Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:44 PM

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:56:42 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:12 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On September 16, 2004 01:08 pm

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Arnt Karlsen wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:03 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:56:42 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote Sent

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-17 Thread Josh Babcock
Vivian Meazza wrote: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:12 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model They shouldn't inherit accelerations. Ampere On September 16, 2004 01:08 pm, Vivian Meazza wrote

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Josh Babcock wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 5:41 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model Vivian Meazza wrote: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:12 PM To: FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-17 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 17 September 2004 16:09, Vivian Meazza wrote: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:03 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:56:42 +0100, Vivian wrote in message

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:16 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model Hello all, I'm trying to use a ballistic sub-model to simulate a bomb but the parent a/c's speed and pitch etc. doesn't

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Vivian Meazza wrote: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:33 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:16 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-16 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 16 September 2004 18:08, Vivian Meazza wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:33 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model Lee Elliott wrote: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-16 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
They shouldn't inherit accelerations. Ampere On September 16, 2004 01:08 pm, Vivian Meazza wrote: There are some other basic shortcomings as well: the submodel doesn't inherit the parent accelerations, or the velocities and accelerations due to roll, pitch and yaw. Only release droptanks when

[Flightgear-devel] Problem with ballistic sub-model

2004-09-15 Thread Lee Elliott
Hello all, I'm trying to use a ballistic sub-model to simulate a bomb but the parent a/c's speed and pitch etc. doesn't seem to be inherited i.e. the bomb appears to have no initial velocity and the pitch doesn't match that of the a/c. The sub-model.xml I'm using is below. Some of the