Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 11 novembre 2008, Anders Gidenstam wrote: > On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, gerard robin wrote: > > In addition to it there is a drag when the gear (down) is IN the water > > , i remember that Vivian couldn't take off the Catalina, since the gear > > were down. > > I may understand that you don't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, gerard robin wrote: > In addition to it there is a drag when the gear (down) is IN the water , i > remember that Vivian couldn't take off the Catalina, since the gear were > down. > I may understand that you don't know the JSBSim features/ressources. I think that was me. B

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 11 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Tuesday 11 November 2008: > > A gear with a variable size ? > > Huh? You suggest to put terrain.nas into CVS, and when you > get suggestions for how to solve the problems properly, you > put them all down while ignoring th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Tuesday 11 November 2008: > A gear with a variable size ? Huh? You suggest to put terrain.nas into CVS, and when you get suggestions for how to solve the problems properly, you put them all down while ignoring that terrain.nas doesn"t fulfill any of your requirements eith

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 11 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: > > In addition to it, with YASIm which is supposed to include > > that feature, i am unable to control my helicoptere rescue > > operation according to the terrain which is under, with > > water we cou

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 11 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Saturday 08 November 2008: > > Is it so difficult, to include within FG, the code which > > gives the information, or at least, to include as generic > > the 'famous" Nasal script ?? > > > > May be any idea which is not coming fr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: > In addition to it, with YASIm which is supposed to include > that feature, i am unable to control my helicoptere rescue > operation according to the terrain which is under, with > water we could understand but with solid the rescued man > is digging

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Saturday 08 November 2008: > Is it so difficult, to include within FG, the code which > gives the information, or at least, to include as generic > the 'famous" Nasal script ?? > > May be any idea which is not coming from you is bad :) That's funny. So you have forgotten that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: > Not ripping, keeping, .. since that feature is necessary, out of, and without > > any FDM. > As far as i know, (i could be wrong and stupid) , an AI object is not FDM > dependent, but, it can be property related. Your "generic" terrain.nas wouldn

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon S. Berndt -- Thursday 06 November 2008: > Well, that would require JSBSim to maintain a database for the physical > properties (friction, etc.) of the terrain underneath the aircraft. No. You'd just have to extend JSBSim.cxx so that it queries the ground cache for every gear. From there it c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-08 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 08 novembre 2008, Detlef Faber wrote: > Am Samstag, den 08.11.2008, 12:26 +0100 schrieb gerard robin: > > On samedi 08 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > * gerard robin -- 11/5/2008 4:27 PM: > > > > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic > > > > nasal

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-08 Thread Detlef Faber
Am Samstag, den 08.11.2008, 12:26 +0100 schrieb gerard robin: > On samedi 08 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * gerard robin -- 11/5/2008 4:27 PM: > > > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic nasal > > > script , won't it be useful elsewhere (AI animation ? for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-08 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 08 novembre 2008, gerard robin wrote: > On samedi 08 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * gerard robin -- 11/5/2008 4:27 PM: > > > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic > > > nasal script , won't it be useful elsewhere (AI animation ? for > > > instance

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-08 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 08 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- 11/5/2008 4:27 PM: > > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic nasal > > script , won't it be useful elsewhere (AI animation ? for instance) > > This script continously updates a property which tells i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-07 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- 11/5/2008 4:27 PM: > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic nasal > script , won't it be useful elsewhere (AI animation ? for instance) This script continously updates a property which tells if the aircraft's origin (usually the nose, sometimes other

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-07 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > gerard robin wrote: > > I will need some space in my URL, so i will have to remove that file. > > Just in case, why don't you simply just put those files there which > require to be changed - instead of the entire aircraft ? > > Cheers, > Ma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 02:39 +0100, gerard robin wrote: > Only the case of an emergency landing on water with gear down could be > usefully modeled, ( depending on the speed, the resistance could very high > which can make the nose over) There is a NACA paper on this for, NACA-RM-L9K02a. They t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 06 novembre 2008, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > Hello Jon > > > > I do not confuse both, > > -First an accurate development within the FDM itself, and > > here, you know better than i do, what must/could be done. > > > > -Second an external simple information which is gi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Hello Jon > > I do not confuse both, > -First an accurate development within the FDM itself, and > here, you know better than i do, what must/could be done. > > -Second an external simple information which is given by FG > => the terrain which is under, solid or wa

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 06 novembre 2008, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > I don't pretend that is not be in the FDM , which should be more > > accurate according to the terrain ( runway, grass, sand, ... water > > and so on), i know that Jon intend to include it into JSBSim. > > I don't know if I understand th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> I don't pretend that is not be in the FDM , which should be more accurate > according to the terrain ( runway, grass, sand, ... water and > so on), i know that Jon intend to include it into JSBSim. I don't know if I understand this problem completely, but I am guessing that we would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread Csaba Halász
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:34 PM, gerard robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as i know, (i could be wrong and stupid) , an AI object is not FDM > dependent, but, it can be property related. > > However, i am probably alone, here, to think that generic FG feature useful. > > Again, > tell me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > gerard robin wrote: > > I only wonder if we won't get some adventage, within FG itself, to know > > with a property, if there is water or solid under (with nasal script or > > some code) I had recently in mind, to create animation with AI model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread Martin Spott
gerard robin wrote: > I only wonder if we won't get some adventage, within FG itself, to know with > a > property, if there is water or solid under (with nasal script or some code) > I had recently in mind, to create animation with AI model which are terrain > dependent. Well, it probably

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, gerard robin wrote: > On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > > gerard robin wrote: > > > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic > > > nasal script , won't it be useful elsewhere (AI animation ? for > > > instance) > > > > Well,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > gerard robin wrote: > > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic nasal > > script , won't it be useful elsewhere (AI animation ? for instance) > > Well, to my point of view - and I know I'm not the sole person having > t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread Martin Spott
gerard robin wrote: > Though, that nasal "Terrain" script could be part of the FG generic nasal > script , won't it be useful elsewhere (AI animation ? for instance) Well, to my point of view - and I know I'm not the sole person having this in mind - it's a bit unfortunate to hammer workarounds

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, gerard robin wrote: > On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > > gerard robin wrote: > > > I will need some space in my URL, so i will have to remove that file. > > > > Just in case, why don't you simply just put those files there which > > require to be cha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > gerard robin wrote: > > I will need some space in my URL, so i will have to remove that file. > > Just in case, why don't you simply just put those files there which > require to be changed - instead of the entire aircraft ? > > Cheers, > Ma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread Martin Spott
gerard robin wrote: > I will need some space in my URL, so i will have to remove that file. Just in case, why don't you simply just put those files there which require to be changed - instead of the entire aircraft ? Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective abou

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-05 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 28 octobre 2008, Heiko Schulz wrote: > > Hello, > > You know that the JSBSim FDM Aircrafts can make the > > difference between water > > and solid, the models only wants a little update which > > include a terrain.nas > > nasal script. > > Every JSBSim models, that i have done which are in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-10-28 Thread Heiko Schulz
> Hello, > You know that the JSBSim FDM Aircrafts can make the > difference between water > and solid, the models only wants a little update which > include a terrain.nas > nasal script. > Every JSBSim models, that i have done which are in CVS do > have that feature. > For my home usage i had d

[Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-10-28 Thread gerard robin
Hello, You know that the JSBSim FDM Aircrafts can make the difference between water and solid, the models only wants a little update which include a terrain.nas nasal script. Every JSBSim models, that i have done which are in CVS do have that feature. For my home usage i had done a c172p which t