is that this will cut
down the memory requirements of properties in the FO tree. I should
soon be able to tell whether this hope is realised, as I am beginning to
build the FO tree, having developed solutions for almost all of the
properties problems.
My two minutes are up.
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will be relative to these tag points.
It's kinda messy, but it might just be feasible.
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Re your latest commits, could you comment on what you had to do to make
sure area tree is serializable? I have been curious about aspects of
the serialization of trees for some time now.
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Victor Mote wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
Re some recent questions on this topic. As I understand it, creating a
branch in the tree off an existing file set simply involves tagging the
set of files with the new branch tag. From that point on, as long as a
particular file remains unchanged
, really.) However, there are people who,
as Victor has said, who find the all-or-nothing approach extremely
difficult. If they can come up with practical ways of easing such
difficulties, their suggestions should be carefully considered.
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. The methodological changes
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EnglishName CDATA #REQUIRED
FrenchName CDATA #REQUIRED
xml-lang.xsl is used to generate CountryLanguageScript.java, the class
against which all new CountryType, LanguageType and ScriptType
PropertyValues are validated.
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for want of
love and attention. It's a real concern, made all the more real by the
tenor of these suggestions.
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If you took offence from the short attention span comment, I am sorry.
No such offence was intended. The comment concerns the general
approach to development that you mentioned.
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the old layout to the trunk, get that
working and put the new layout in a branch. But it needs to be agreed
upon.
How difficult would this be? Would it be you who did most of this, or
could you successfully direct others to assist?
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that I could find:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=97951301002986w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=102011250524180w=2
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of these is called FOP_0-20-0_Alt-Design.
How can I find out about all of the branch names? Which branch is the
default trunk? The upcoming 0.20.5 maintenance release?
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of that is to apply future changes directly.
Have a look and let me know if anything needs fixing.
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all of the mistakes that my team is likely to make.
If anyone wants to take on the task of extending the schema with
schematron asserts. Feel free.
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it works, but if you
sure it's a better way to validate and wont overhead processing, I
believe you :)
So, do we decide to go this way? Other opinions?
This is what is already happening in alt.design, but the structure is
very different from the existing processing structure.
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to write a testcase that runs multiple FOPs
simultaneously to find out where the buggers are.
Jeremias,
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Jeremias wrote:
I'm planning to write a testcase that runs multiple FOPs
simultaneously to find out where the buggers are.
Jeremias,
What kind of FOPs are we talking about?
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|%inline;|%block;)* ?
This basically says, Anything, so it is also easy. Just get the next
event and apply any special processing constraints, like checking for
footnote and float in out-of-line areas.
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of the first week of november
as target date for the release candidate.
Does your wife know about this?
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- FO extensions
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feasible to produce hebrew pdf using fop right now
(well, under certain circumstances).
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code and come back (privately) when I have some time.
Patrick Andries
(member of the Canadian character set committee
translator for the ISO JT/SC2/GT2)
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namespace's constraints into the Format namespace. They are
completely different expression environments, which is why it doesn't
work. Has anyone else given this any thought?
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Victor Mote wrote:
My apologies for using up so much
bandwidth.
Victor,
That's what it's there for. No apology required.
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the storage overhead was too great. Requiescant in pace.
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Peter B. West wrote at 30 Sep 2002 13:28:18 +1000:
Tony Graham wrote:
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...
That means -, #12235 , etc are characters, while
'1
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Peter,
Unfortunately
Fopdevs,
Any comments on the representation and parsing of character type
attributes would be gratefully received.
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:55:28 +1000
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Paul,
Thank you
:
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Fopdevs,
Any comments on the representation and parsing of character type
attributes would be gratefully received.
This came up on www-xsl-fo, because Eric Bischoff and myself had the same
question.
Tony Graham says that character should
just confused.
Peter
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Peter,
Thank you for your comment
remote monastery.)
Peter
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Subject: Re: Style issues.
[ SNIP ]
The only encoding rule I'd realy like to have:
Don't mix underscores
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knowledge we can assume about the characteristics of the text we are
processing is what is contained in the database.
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, and I'd rather like to do
something for FOP than fixing this.
It comes down to ugliness, doesn't it? camelCase is nice. I
haven't heard it before, and I agree with your admonition.
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.
*/
public FlowLayoutManager(FObj fobj) {
Well, bad things happen.
Good idea, but we can hardly go crook at anyone who misses something
like this. However, if one is about to engage in a wholesale cp, it is
probably worth asking, Is there a better way?
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a block
and discover there is only one line on the new page,
what do you do? The easiest way seems to be to steal
a line from the previous page.
...
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J.Pietschmann wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
More less than more, I should think. Parsing is inherently generic.
E.g., I assume that you would use the same tokenizer and first-level
parser.
At the tokenizer level, sure. However, the spec provides for
a wildly varying spectrum
-0_Alt-Design branch for another approach.
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Peter B. West wrote:
J.Pietschmann wrote:
And yes, it is absolutley choc-a-bloc with instancesof and casts, which,
Should read absolutely chock-a-block; it is not to be confused with
the consumption of chocolate.
- Have a FONode method which goes through the attribute list and
+ gets
-parented.
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, everything in RTF can be expressed with text-only characters, and it
would certainly be possible to convert XSL-FO to RTF using XSLT.
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availability of programming and debugging tools.
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thoughts on the matter, generate attachment to the RFE detailing them.
If you have used bugzilla before, you will know what I mean. If not,
take a look and refer any questions back here or to me.
Peter
Rhett Aultman wrote:
Comments below.
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is the key. as always
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is the status of the new FAQ?
Christian
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Because a mini-chunk of the ASF is already here and as uninformed as the
rest. :-)
Seriously, though, I'll track down board minutes and see where this is
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Joerg,
Joerg Pietschmann wrote:
Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obviously there is a need for some documention with normal releases. We
don't need the design docs in the user releases, but all of the
operational material, including the FAQs, is necessary.
If we were to do source
Christian,
Just did it.
New http://xml.apache.org/fop/news.html
updated http://xml.apache.org/fop/status.html
updated http://xml.apache.org/fop/design/alt.design/index.html
Peter
Christian Geisert wrote:
Peter B. West schrieb:
plans to use the News page on the web-site to maintain
.)
??
Peter
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in
the release announcements could be collected there and serve as an
immediate point of reference.
Peter
Christian Geisert wrote:
Peter B. West schrieb:
Ok, I'll try to explain.
The standard fonts (times, courier etc.) are mapped fix to Java fonts
(Serif, MonoSpaced etc. - which are actually
regime for the following release.
If AWT TT support was provided by some other means in 0.20.3, why don't
we stick with that for now?
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. Removing any one of these fixes it, as does making the
whole line a single basic-link.
Trouble is, changing the links.merge default could break some documents with
a very obscure error message.
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font support from AWT viewer
3) Compile Fop with JDK1.3 (which will be done anyway)
and state in the release notes that compiling with JDK1.2
and using truetype fonts in the AWT viewer does not work.
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. Don't be alarmed. I have
just done a clean install of Mozilla 1.0, and rebuilt my prefs.js file
in the process. This simple action has cleared a couple of
long-standing movemail bugs for me, including the loss of a .signature
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at fop's index page looks rather
bizarre - there is probably white FOP string at the right, but what I
can see (mozilla1.0 or IE6) is only left bottom corner of letters FO.
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to enable this.
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 19:29, Peter B. West wrote:
As a result of this exercise, I remain as confused as ever. The most
general sense of user agent seems to be fo processor. There are
interactive user agents which may have user agent windows. User
agents determine actual values
Jason Foster wrote:
I'm just curious, as I see messages talking about re-architecting,
what the plans are for supporting the float element? I've searched
the archives and couldn't find any substantive discussions on the matter.
Jason,
In spite of the lack of substantive discussion,
Keiron,
I can't comment on the details of this unless and until I look at
avalon. I notice, though, that version is still given as a
configuration parameter. Does that mean that a user can arbitrarily
change the FOP version? My point, of course, is that version has
nothing to do with
Bertrand,
I started writing this before the flurry of messages in the last day or
two, so it may now be redundant. If so, however, I have missed part of
the conversation. My recollection of consensus of opinion some months
ago was as I state just below.
I think you will still have
J.Pietschmann wrote:
If you really like a challenge, talk the other apache
projects into using a standardised top-level directory
structure with one doc, one src and so on :-)
pietsch,
Do I want more of a challenge than FOP? You must be joking. Ahh, I see
that you are.
Peter
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
Hi, all
I am very pleased to announce that Keiron has been elected to membership in
the Apache Software Foundation, effective tomorrow (voting finished today).
I'd like to be the first to extend my hearty congratulations. :-)
Keiron,
Let me be the third. Hearty
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
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Ant is a cross-platform (by virtue of Java and XML) makefile system,
basically, optimized for Java projects. Which is not new information.
Sometimes we all lose sight of the fact that that is
Keiron Liddle wrote:
On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 05:46, Peter B. West wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
What's the state of play now with the changes to the build system? Has
the elimination of Xalan1 been completed? Who's doing what there?
I am planning to throw a branch off HEAD
Keiron Liddle wrote:
On Wed, 2002-05-22 at 17:30, Peter B. West wrote:
Are you *trying* to annoy me, or does it just happen? I don't want to
jump to conclusions.
Relax, I'm not trying to annoy you.
Keiron,
Thanks for that, and my apologies for the sharp tone. I have
Matt, Matthew,
Maybe you could try generating the most minimal possible PDF file which
still crashes the preflight programs. Use the same fo: source file in
XEP and Antenna and compare the output. Send these PDF files to Enfocus
ior Adobe for comment. If someone there can tell us exactly
Christian Geisert wrote:
Ok,
as a lot of people want a date for the next release I propose 1st
of june as target date for the release candidate for 0.20.4
What do you think?
Christian,
OK by me. Anyone have any specifics he or she wants to get into the release?
Peter
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
What's the state of play now with the changes to the build system? Has
the elimination of Xalan1 been completed? Who's doing what there?
I am planning to throw a branch off HEAD to tinker with at least the
versioning information for the build. I would
Joerg,
Thanks. It seems there were some configuration changes in openSSH
between versions.
Peter
J.Pietschmann wrote:
I don't see anything unusual (Win2K, cygwin OpenSSH). It could
be that your ssh client has changed default settings. My ssh uses
known_hosts for storing identities,
Fopsicles,
I have just gone through the usual upgrade agony of RedHat (7.0-7.3)
with the added spice of a switch from Gnome to KDE after an abortive
flirtation with Nautilus. Having paid my debt to society (or so I
thought), I tried to perform a `cvs update' on the maint branch. I
received
Arved,
I agree that there is no need to tie the rendering to any particular
model, as long as the results are equivalent. The discussions that span
this list and the Xslfo-proc-devel list testify that there are many
approaches to process of layout. However, if I am reading this
correctly,
Arved,
Again, I agree that, in the conceptual area tree described in the spec,
blocks embedded in inline-area generating FOs in the fo tree (e.g.,
fo:inline and fo:basic-link), themselves embedded in a parent fo:block,
do not bubble up to the same level as the parent fo:block. Going back
to
Keiron,
Keiron Liddle wrote:
I'm almost thinking of going a step further.
Maybe we could add annotations to the spec to clarify these things
with our understanding and then present this information.
Yes indeed. And an index, including especially a concept index.
It seems to me that
Arved,
My apologies. I was just taking the opportunity to think aloud about
aspects of the interaction between inline-areas and block-areas. Trying
to make sense of the various elements of the spec leaves your ears buzzing.
Peter
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
For the record, I disagree with
Karen,
I was your opinion that I was most concerned about on this one. I, for
one, am quite happy to hold off to give you more time to make an
argument. Part of my point was that it *was* in pretty good shape the
first time around.
Peter
Karen Lease wrote:
Not really. As a fairly
Keiron et al.,
Just a quick reaction to this - I'm off to sit next to the footpath
reading the newspapers and drinking tea.
From what I see here you are changing the shape of the tree. The
motivation seems to be to make it explicit that block areas contained
within an inline area must
Arved,
This is a good idea. I half-heartedly suggested as much to Matthew
Huggett when he asked what a non-programming technical writer might
contribute. It requires too deep an insight into the spec, but he (or
Cyril) may of some assistance to you.
What would be even more generally useful
Matthew,
I've moved this to fop-dev. Look over the documentation that we have
(basically, the web site html) and see what you think. As a
non-programmer, you will be mainly interested in the user perspective.
How much of a non-programmer are you? If you can grok the code at all,
your
Hello devs.
Does the near-silence on this one signify consent?
Peter
Keiron Liddle wrote:
Hi Peter and others,
What is the status of property handling?
Are we going to go with Peter's suggestion and commit the java source
to cvs and work on handling properties fully from there?
Keiron Liddle wrote:
Karen,
On 2002.04.29 22:39 Karen Lease wrote:
It's certainly true that mixing blocks in inlines, as the spec says is
allowed, gets very complicated. I remember some discussion of this on
the list a long while ago and I think we actually asked the XSL editors
what
Does anyone know what happened to fop 19? Did the tag go away? It does
not show up in a cvs status of build.xml. I ask because the starting
point for my code was 19, and I would like a point nearby to branch from
for my initial migration.
Peter
Arved,
Firstly, thanks for taking the trouble to do this. Your diagrams make
your argument beautifully clear, and facilitate discussion for everyone,
even XSL spec novices. Even me, who struggles to follow text-only
arguments. I haven't followed all of the posting yet, but one question
Fop-devs,
It appears that I do not have an account on daedalus yet anyway. Many
thanks to the anonymous indivdual who re-published the web site.
Although there are some niggling menu problems, my notes-in-progress
are now, at least, available.
Rhett,
You're only an hour away from Arved, so you may be OK anyway.
Ft. Lauderdale Mon 10:27am +0
Halifax Mon 11:27am +1
London Mon 3:27pm +4
ParisMon 4:27pm +5
FrankfurtMon 4:27pm +5
Brisbane Tue 12:27am +14
Peter
Rhett Aultman wrote:
Rhett,
Let's try again.
You're only an hour away from Arved, so you may be OK anyway.
Ft. Lauderdale Mon 10:27am +0
Halifax Mon 11:27am +1
London Mon 3:27pm +5
Paris Mon 4:27pm +6
Frankfurt Mon 4:27pm +6
Brisbane Tue 12:27am +14
Peter
Sirs,
And this alternative response.
Peter
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Arved,
See comments below.
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
1. I can see a place for structured (that is, planned) communication:
conference calls, scheduled meetings on a system like Peter describes, use
of something like MSN Messenger, setting up an IRC channel and everyone
getting together there. But
Developers all,
I have taken to using xfig for my design diagrams, and I would like to
include an editable form of the images in the CVS. xfig will export
Postscript, Encapsulated Postscript, PDF, LaTeX, IBM/HPGL, T/PIC, CGM,
but not SVG. Are any of those suitable for downline vector
K, K, A and other developers,
Regular chat sessions would probably have been useful here, and I think
that they might still be useful. Probably every interested party but me
is in the time zone spanned by Keiron and Arved. Anyone in the US? It
should be possible for you to arrange some
Fop-devs,
I just tried to commit a file I had added. Result:
Access denied: Insufficient Karma
(pbwest|xml-fop/docs/design/alt.design)
cvs server: Pre-commit check failed
It looks to have something to do with the avail file, and access to a
resource called 'id'.
Any ideas?
Peter
Fops,
Some more comments on ways of using CVS tags.
At present, we are using the trunk for ongoing development. We have a
*branch*, fop-0_20_2-maintain, and a release tag, fop-0_20_3. Branch
tags name a branch off the trunk (or off another branch.) Every version
of every file on a branch
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,
We shall remember them.
Lest we forget.
Anzac Day 25th April 2002
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***WARNING*** Jars and class files checked into CVS must have their
'-k' flag defaulted to 'o' - original value at checkin - to prevent
corruption of binary files. I don't know whether this is critical for
class files, but I would not treat them as binary files.
Should read, ... but I
Todd Pierce wrote:
Clearly Peter B West is an Australian or New Zealander who should have been
enjoying a public holiday. Why he chose to post this message to the FOP
developers list, however, is a total mystery.
Todd(.au),
Surely not total?
Peter
Keiron Liddle wrote:
On 2002.04.19 11:55 Cyril Rognon wrote:
Hi Fopers
I have checked out the 0.20.3 with a -r fop-0_20_3 version tag (think
that's the right thing to do to get the 0.20.3 release)
Then I have uncommented the new method in
src/org/apache/fop/svg/PDFGraphics2D.java
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