Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi, On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 3:40 AM Liam Proven wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 19:29, Robert Riebisch wrote: > > > Just to add: Virtual PC 2004 SP1 and Virtual PC 2007) were/are available > > as a free download from Microsoft, but didn't/doesn't include any DOS > > version. > > That's true. >

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 19:29, Robert Riebisch wrote: > > Did Microsoft make Virtual PC 2004 and 2007 or was it Connectix? > What does the sticker on the box say? Microsoft or Connectix? :-p OK, conceded. > Just to add: Virtual PC 2004 SP1 and Virtual PC 2007) were/are available > as a free downl

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:34 AM Bret Johnson wrote: > > RHV is based on oVirt which is based on KVM plus qemu & libvirt & > > lots of other bits. It'll run DOS but you might have jump through > > hoops (learn virsh and other tools) to get it installed. > > > > BHyve, at least as in TrueNAS Core a

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi Liam, >> The one made by Microsoft? > > Two points of order: wrong name and wrong tense. > > VirtualPC was made by Connectix, and was acquired by Microsoft. Did Microsoft make Virtual PC 2004 and 2007 or was it Connectix? What does the sticker on the box say? Microsoft or Connectix? :-p > S

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 21:16, Robert Riebisch wrote: > > What VPC are we talking about? > VPC as in Virtual PC? I thought not. I would guess this: https://github.com/neri/vpc Given that we are specifically discussing VMs and emulators then using an ambiguous abbreviation would be foolhardy, so

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 16:28, tom ehlert wrote: > > how does detecting VirtualBox help you decide to use which adapter is > present? I find this question very surprising. The answer is very clear and I thought obvious: if you're running in VBox, then there are only 5 possible models of NIC. This

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 23:55, Rugxulo wrote: > > > DOSEmu / DOSEmu2 > > Is this available in any repos? I'm very naive. Didn't the original > used to be in "multiverse"? I'm not sure it's there anymore. DOSemu used to be in Debian and Ubuntu, but it's been dropped now. DOSemu 1 used V86 mode,

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi all, I say the most important thing first - I'm not very keen on a Live DVD. One of the things that severely goes on my man-mammaries is that every Linux, BSD and whatnot nears the 1GB mark, when a basic system install could easily fit in a 300MB image. I don't think we have too many casual use

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> Don't forget Hampa Hug's PCE - PC Emulator: > http://www.hampa.ch/pce/pce-ibmpc.html It turns out that PCE has a custom BIOS so it's pretty easy to detect. I was thinking it would be set up more like PCem and 86Box which actually use images of the original ROMs from the original computers way

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> Don't forget Hampa Hug's PCE - PC Emulator: > http://www.hampa.ch/pce/pce-ibmpc.html I'll experiment with that one too, but it's really hard to detect emulations of really old hardware. You usually need things like PCI and CPUID to detect things reliably. ___

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> What VPC are we talking about? > VPC as in Virtual PC? > The one made by Microsoft? > I doubt, any version of VPC included FreeDOS, but feel free to prove > me wrong. :-) I might have misspoke there -- I thought it was JPC he was talking about (JPC does come with a version of FreeDOS). Virtual

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi Bret, > 86Box > Bochs > DOSBox > DOSBox-X > DOSEmu / DOSEmu2 > Hyper-V > JPC > KVM > Parallels > PCem > QEMU > vDOS > VirtualBox > VirtualPC (Connectix) > VirtualPC (Microsoft) > VMWare Don't forget Hampa Hug's PCE - PC Emulator: http://www.hampa.ch/pce/pce-ibmp

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi Bret, >> VPC uses FreeDOS?? Not sure. > > Yes. What VPC are we talking about? VPC as in Virtual PC? The one made by Microsoft? I doubt, any version of VPC included FreeDOS, but feel free to prove me wrong. :-) Cheers, Robert -- BTTR Software https://www.bttr-software.de/ DOS ain't dead h

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> VirtualBox gives you the chance to have 5 different network cards; > other virtualizers probably similar. I would know which Ethernet NIC I have configured in VirtualBox. In VirtualBox you can also detect the Ethernet card though PCI, but that's not true in every VM. In addition, just becaus

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> One of the main things that started me down this rabbit trail was > the need to know which Ethernet card is being virtualized in a > particular VM so I can load the correct packet driver. > I have a > single ETHERNET.BAT file I run to install the packet driver, and > since detecting which netw

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> Since what you need to know is which Ethernet card is being > virtualized, perhaps it would be sufficient to simply scan the PCI > bus to see what class 2 devices reside there? > ... > Of course, if the majority of cards for which you need to search are > non-PCI (e.g. some old ISA stuff) then th

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> One of the main things that started me down this rabbit trail was > the need to know which Ethernet card is being virtualized in a > particular VM so I can load the correct packet driver. ca. 30 years ago PCI enumerating has been invented. > I have a > single ETHERNET.BAT file I run to inst

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On 10/24/2022 6:38 PM, Bret Johnson wrote: Anyway, I'm wondering how "involved" FreeDOS should be in the VM world (I think in today's world the vast majority of users install DOS under a VM rather than on real hardware, though I personally do both). How involved in testing/recommending applicat

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi, On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:27 PM Bret Johnson wrote: > > > Although I never truly needed to know what VM > > One of the main things that started me down this rabbit trail was the need to > know which Ethernet card is being virtualized in a particular VM so I can > load the correct packet dr

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Since what you need to know is which Ethernet card is being virtualized, perhaps it would be sufficient to simply scan the PCI bus to see what class 2 devices reside there? My ListPCI tool can do just that (as well as some other stuff) and I believe Eric Auer's PCISleep may do something similar,

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> Jerome's V8Power Tools will detect some VMs, IIRC: Yes, I checked that out. In the version I looked at, it detects 3 different VMs all using the same method (looking for a specific identification string in BIOS memory). That method works with some VMs, but not all. > Although I never truly

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 16:54:12 -0500 Rugxulo wrote: > > > DOSEmu / DOSEmu2 > > Is this available in any repos? I'm very naive. Didn't the original > used to be in "multiverse"? I'm not sure it's there anymore. Dosemu 1.4 was dropped from Ubuntu just before 20.04 release, presumably that's w

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi, On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:07 PM Bret Johnson wrote: > > I've been working on some updates to the ISLOADED program I sent to Jim a few > weeks ago. > Lately I have been specifically trying to add the detection of different > Virtual Machines (including VirtualBox) > to ISLOADED. It turns ou

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> RHV is based on oVirt which is based on KVM plus qemu & libvirt & > lots of other bits. It'll run DOS but you might have jump through > hoops (learn virsh and other tools) to get it installed. > > BHyve, at least as in TrueNAS Core and OSX/Mac OS before M1 will > also run DOS. > > I think it's at

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On 25/10/22 12:02, stefano cirilli wrote: > I have a fully working USB flash drive with the LiveCD image,  > https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html about me the best solution to have > bootable USB on fly. > > On 25/10/22 00:48, Jim Hall wrote: >>> On 23/10/22 20:46, Jim Hall wrote: I keep mean

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

I have a fully working USB flash drive with the LiveCD image,  https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html about me the best solution to have bootable USB on fly. On 25/10/22 00:48, Jim Hall wrote: >> On 23/10/22 20:46, Jim Hall wrote: >>> I keep meaning to test Rufus to see if it

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

RHV is based on oVirt which is based on KVM plus qemu & libvirt & lots of other bits. It’ll run DOS but you might have jump through hoops (learn virsh and other tools) to get it installed. BHyve, at least as in TrueNAS Core and OSX/Mac OS before M1 will also run DOS. I think it’s at least worth d

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> But if a game is known to *not* work at all on VirtualBox (for > example) I recommend we discuss removing it. This brings up a slightly different topic, so maybe deserves its own thread, but I'll bring it up here. I've been working on some updates to the ISLOADED program I sent to Jim a few w

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

> On 23/10/22 20:46, Jim Hall wrote: > > I keep meaning to test Rufus to see if it will > > successfully create a bootable USB flash drive based on the FreeDOS > > LiveCD. If it does, I don't think we need to keep either the FullUSB > > or LiteUSB. > > > > Has anyone here use

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On 23/10/22 20:46, Jim Hall wrote: I keep meaning to test Rufus to see if it will successfully create a bootable USB flash drive based on the FreeDOS LiveCD. If it does, I don't think we need to keep either the FullUSB or LiteUSB. Has anyone here used Rufus to create a boo

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

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Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 1:45 PM Jerome Shidel wrote: > > Although there has not been a lot of feed back on what to do with the > excessively (nearly 1GB) BonusCD in T2210, I think the majority of > feedback has been in favor of splitting off the development packages > from the BonusCD on to their

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Hi, On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 1:46 PM Jerome Shidel wrote: > > Although there has not been a lot of feed back on what to do with the > excessively (nearly 1GB) BonusCD in T2210, I think the majority of feedback > has been in favor of splitting off the development packages from the BonusCD > on t

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

Although there has not been a lot of feed back on what to do with the excessively (nearly 1GB) BonusCD in T2210, I think the majority of feedback has been in favor of splitting off the development packages from the BonusCD on to their own DevelCD. And, we should do this instead of dropping pac