George Duncan wrote:
To make sure our votes count ...
...
For the Our Vote Live website:
http://www.ourvotelive.org/
For the EFF press release about OurVoteLive.org:
http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/10/26
George,
Thanks for the link. I'd be interested in a professional
Just as in the earlier elections with George Bush, I'm astonished at
how close the race is, not just who is winning.
When Bush won, it was really hard to believe: he's clearly incapable.
The Dems on the other hand, chose a poor candidate in the 04 race, so
that could be part of it. And
Owen,
Why in the world does this surprise you? I would like to suggest that the
more intelligent of you on this list (we all know who we think we are)
consider the concept of average intelligence. Cogitate on the following:
1. The average IQ in the US is around 90.
2. The distribution
Doug/Owen -
This one fits my personal experience "pattern" of "Shocked but not
Surprised".
In 00, I was not shocked or surprised that the pendulum swung back from
the liberals to the conservatives. It was time, or near time.
Perhaps if Bill had managed to keep his pecadillios more
You must have the day off, Steve: *two* missives this morning, with 22
minutes remaining before lunch!
;-}
But I digress: what you were referring to below, indirectly, was
educational level. I was talking about intelligence, or rather the abundant
lack of it in our population. A small, but
Owen,
In my opinion, ignorance, fear and racism are major factors. A recent
poll indicates that over twenty percent of respondents in Texas believe
Obama is a Muslim. What do you think the political race would look like
if Obama were white? Also, many of the issues are complicated so people
Owen, I'm afraid part of (y)our problem in understanding this
phenomenon is that the people you get up close and personal with are
likely not remotely representative of the population as a whole. I can
confirm, for starters, that my wife Maggie and I have experienced the
most amazing
On a lighter note watch this video. O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9BmNuqeiQeurl=http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2008/10/dont-speak-for-me-sarah-palin.html
Owen Densmore wrote:
Just as in the earlier elections with George Bush, I'm astonished at
how close the race is, not just who is
Doug/Orlando: Your response suggests that ignorance/stupid people are
at the heart of the problem.
But that does not really explain why they are so easily lead! For
example, why can't the Democrats have a Dept of Stupidity that figures
out how to inspire to them? Don't forget, they were
Saw an interesting article on this topic in the Guardian the other day.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/28/us-education-election-obama-bush-mccain
Don't really know what to add.
Rich
On Friday, October 31, 2008, at 05:57PM, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Owen,
I'm guessing (purely guessing; I could be completely wrong) that you have
not ever had a job that brought you squarely into daily contact with
average people. I suggest this, because if you had, you most assuredly
would not be asking (paraphrasing now)
Why are people so willing to be
Hi
The entire world is wishing Obama for President. Have you seen this poll?
More than 618000 voters worldwide and Obama has got the 87% of the
preferences.
http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com
There's no doubt. War against Terrorism and maybe the Neoliberal model
have damaged the US's imagen
I'm very willing to accept your premise that people are willful,
stupid, ignorant, and all the rest.
The question is: why does that imply a particular voting pattern? Why
do idiots vote republican? Have republicans mastered some weird sort
of hypnotism that gathers in the ignorant?
I'd
Ah, I see the need to fix an incorrect impression that I have left, i.e.
that only idiots vote Republican. I suppose that is possible, but I don't
believe it. I confess that many of the rabid Republicans that I know do a
very good idiot impression, but in all fairness, so do many of my Democrat
Let's face it, there are going to be plenty of stupid people voting
for Obama, and maybe even for stupid reasons.
And let us not forget: No matter how scary the closeness of the
election for those of us supporting Obama, we have to be realistic and
acknowledge that it is totally effing
I guess I have to jump in, here. With all you (non-specific ;-) smart
people slinging around the word stupid and calling all your friends,
relatives, neighbors, and countrymen stupid, it really tells us more
about the accusers than the accused, I think.
I think it would be much smarter of you
Hey, Glen.
I think it would be much smarter of you to avoid prematurely concluding
that all these fellow humans are stupid and, rather, imagine yourselves
curious humans (perhaps even scientists?) and spend time actually trying
to figure out what's going on.
Tried it once, didn't like it.
All -
I'm not singling out John for this comment, but just using it as a
trigger . . .
On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:45 AM, John Sadd wrote:
it is totally effing amazing that a black man
which raises the question, Why isn't Obama white?
If that question sounds silly to you, think a little
I can't resist:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Tom Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Democrats tend to have at least a little trouble flat out lying . .
.
*Well, that would depend on what the definition of the word is is,
wouldn't it?*
;-}
One of the more blatant Democratic lies ever
Hmm . . .
I guess I'd have to say that sort of makes my point -- he couldn't
even just say No -- he had to tangle himself in semantics to avoid
the flat out lie . . . :-)
tom
On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
I can't resist:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Tom
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/31/2008 12:18 PM:
Tried it once, didn't like it.
;-}
I lean more towards the Forrest Gump philosophy on this issue: Stupid is
as stupid does.
I sympathize with your premature conclusiveness, unfortunately. As I
age, I'm becoming more inclined to stick,
Hola:
The methods that the US political culture uses to discourage
political involvement extend beyond merely fear mongering and
wrecking the public educational system.
Billions of dollars are spent every year to distract the public and
degrade the quality of public discourse.
The
Found in the responses to this article, a wonderful neologism:
It is always a pleasure to read George Monbiot's inciteful
analyses, even from beyond the Pond.
inciteful Just perfect :-)
tom
On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Richard Harris wrote:
Saw an interesting article on this
Greetings, all --
The Pauline Kael Syndrome affects all of us to a greater or lesser extent, I
suppose (you may recall that Ms. Kael, film critic for The New Yorker,
famously commented in 1972, I live in a rather special world. I only know one
person who voted for
Nixon. Where they are I
Nicely said, Claiborne.
At some level a certain degree of naivete is charming, perhaps even
forgivable. On the other hand, stubborn attachment to an ivory tower
whitewashed notion about the noble human nature, combined with sympathies
for the poor, downtrodden, uneducated, unwashed masses is
Isn't the so-called Flynn Effect still considered true? Is there more
recent data for the U.S. (besides Bush being elected twice) that says
otherwise?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
Responding to the original question, I'd say it's close because there really
isn't that much difference.
Yes, the differences are striking when you highlight them and state them as
the opposing parties want them stated. But the similarities far outweigh
the differences.
Which is why Palin can
It it were a linear effect over time, then back around the year 0 BC the
human populace would have all been flaunting IQs of approximately -500.
No wonder Christianity was such an easy sell.
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Isn't the so-called Flynn
Doug
*/Well, that would depend on what the definition of the word is is,
wouldn't it?/*
;-}
One of the more blatant Democratic lies ever uttered. Its echos are
still reverberating.
Nahhh... that wasn't a /Democratic lie, /that was a horn-dog lie, caught
like a deer in the headlights.
I
Maybe it has to be close, because the media wants
it to be close. It has to be an exciting event
and a big show. The media wants to make lots of
money with it. It is like the Formula 1: if the
races are not exciting enough, simply the rules
are changed or the drivers are exchanged.
Why is
This thread (and the reference to the column by George
Monbiohttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/28/us-education-election-obama-bush-mccaint,
prompted me to post the following on my bloghttp://russabbott.blogspot.com/
.
*Is religion good or bad?*
Obviously that's much too broad a
Unfortunately, part of the process of subscribing to a fundamentalist
religion entails checking your brain in at the door. In spite of this
requirement, I've encountered more than one brainwashed fundamentalist who
was damned clever at avoiding logic in favor of dogma.
The reality is that as
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/31/2008 04:48 PM:
The reality is that as long as people feel the need to use religion hide
from reality, to use ritual and dogma to avoid having to think for
themselves, there will be fundamentalist religions
Excellent! Now we may get closer to the truth.
Glen,
It is if you are my shill, sitting out there in the audience amongst all the
rubes.
See my post immediately following...
--Doug
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:08 PM, glen e. p. ropella
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/31/2008 04:48 PM:
The reality is that as
Like a dog returning his own vomit, I can't seem to distance myself from
this thread. One last contribution (hopefully). In one my circles of
friends -- using the term somewhat loosely -- there is a cluster of
Democrats and one lonely, besieged Republican. Naturally, the conversations
between
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/31/2008 05:15 PM:
It is if you are my shill, sitting out there in the audience amongst all the
rubes.
I live to serve!
--
glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com
FRIAM Applied
From the Internet Scout
*Ruth Charney on Modeling with Cubes [Macromedia Flash Player]*
http://www.maa.org/news/102308charney.html
The Mathematical Association of America (MAA) continues to build on their
already solid online presence with the addition of this lecture by noted
People: I'm thinking Freakonomics here. Statistics. Human behavior
patterns. You know, Science!
Thus far I've heard only rants on religion, stupidity, and probably
bad spelling.
Is there *any* reason for the close vote (especially in the 2000 2004
2008 elections).
Here are a few
Hmm..this may be spot-on.
-- Owen
On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Richard Harris wrote:
Saw an interesting article on this topic in the Guardian the other
day.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/28/us-education-election-obama-bush-mccain
Don't really know what to add.
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