Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-17 Thread David Eric Smith
Quick answer to your specific question below, Steve. Whether or not it says more about the concept or about my accidental window on it, of course, I cannot know. But to me, the cleanest example of a true epiphenomenon is the way neoclassical economics in its pure Arrow-Debreu form treats instit

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-17 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
I was young > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 3:32 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > This is where there is a style of use of l

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
This is where there is a style of use of language that may be unique to Nick among all humans, or may be a tribal custom among the psychologists, but which the common man needs to be aware exists, so that he knows that the way Nick/psychologists use words will be directly opposed to the way the

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 1:28 AM, > wrote: > > Would any of you buy a seat belt that was marketed to not cause deaths? You > are so lost in your point about small numbers that you’ve lost your sense of > the plain meaning of words. Sheesh! Yes. Like “goal”. And “function”. I pass judgmen

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
Yes, I wondered if anyone else enjoyed that as much as I did. > On Sep 17, 2021, at 1:15 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > > sum(reasons_for_death) != number_of_deaths, and Death itself is listed as a > reported cause of death. > > -- rec -- > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:01 PM Pieter Steenekamp

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-15 Thread David Eric Smith
Pieter, On its own, I don’t think the statement means anything. You have to know what the cohort was and what the null model was. I think that in all these trials, to be seeking approval for multiple age groups, they must have tested in multiple age groups as well. Sometimes old people die,

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

2021-09-09 Thread David Eric Smith
Aha! This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of published authors in the world. I had assumed it was the weather…. > On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such has > been done in the UK or Icela

Re: [FRIAM] Can empirical discoveries be mathematical?

2021-09-04 Thread David Eric Smith
Please allow me to try to make things worse, if I can. I worry that I may be partly responsible for the origin of this thread, in my jabs at the analytical philosophers, who I think are responsible for…. No, wait; I won’t start that again. In any case, I read Nick’s post as a good-faith effort

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

2021-09-03 Thread David Eric Smith
I am amazed that the total extraction is only 85,000 tons/year now. If all vehicular transportation does go Li or Li-ion battery-based, we really should be planning for all this to be integrated with demand-buffering of the grid. No reason to build a completely separate parallel buffer bank u

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-02 Thread David Eric Smith
th even when it wasn't the > mathematician's purpose. > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 6:55 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>>

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
essage- > From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 2:37 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning > > There’s a statistic I would like to see, but would be costly to collect a

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:41 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I was made to take piano lessons for five years. I did minimal practice, but > still hated it and the idea of it. I can’t do it all now, and don’t wish I > could. Don’t tell me what is important. I will prioritize what I want. I am

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
There’s a statistic I would like to see, but would be costly to collect and encounter ethics troubles (withholding of known help), so will probably not be available. For 2-shot vaccines, it is considered important that the second shot be the same formula as the first. Reason being that we buil

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread David Eric Smith
Those who seek cooperative or collaborative support, jointly generated, from others, should explain themselves to all as contributing a part of the joint effort, collaboration, and mutual responsibility. The same argument applies to not being exploitative in wage negotiations, poisoning backyar

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread David Eric Smith
Two thoughts on your below, Jochen, which seem to me to belong in the list along with what you have: 1. If we don’t care what they called it — “element” — then the question is, were the classical Greeks as right as one could be at the time? We now use the word “element” to refer to a Mendeleev

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-25 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

2021-08-25 Thread David Eric Smith
> Note: Some beehives have a defense, they clump around the scout in a buzzing > ball, and though many in the ball lose their heads, collectively they raise > the temperature of the hornet scout and "cook" it. It doesn't release > enough pheromone such that the other hornets follow up. All, d

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
orld through > our minds, or do we see our minds through the world? > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <h

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
liary verb and the latter > denotes possession. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 5:48 AM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > It’s the right

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-23 Thread David Eric Smith
Nick, what’s the difference between having and doing? I once heard Ray Jackendoff give quite a nice talk on word categories. Of all of it, the one part I remember the most about is what he said about prepositions. Even after you are getting right most of the rest of word usage in a new langua

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-20 Thread David Eric Smith
, particularly to the quorum sensing >> conception, are latent variables in causal inference and neutral networks in >> evolution. Rebecca's recent video essay on leaky vaccines may also ring some >> bells: https://youtu.be/_J-zWtoG9ZM, which seems akin to the relationship

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-20 Thread David Eric Smith
Thanks Steve, I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy. Marcus is right; what must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in jail for not really anything seemed like a good idea? Martin Scheffer ought to be all over this, with his “early warning signals”, using analys

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
So Marcus, Your response is interesting. What I was thinking of as the inflammation was BLM, or the fact that the Georgia organizers were able to get enough voters out to get all three of Biden, Warnock, and Ossof into office, which even with their same heroic efforts over years I don’t think

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
There is an angle on this that I have wondered about. In a sort of short-term sense, it would have been very gratifying for SARS-CoV-2 to have killed trump. You know that tired trope: God is dead — Nietzche Nietzsche is dead — God Same idea. But as I think of it, I think that

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 1:31 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > The governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, has tested positive for the virus, > although he is fully vaccinated. He has no symptoms but receives the same > $100,000 Regeneron treatment as Donald Trump, maybe because he sits in a > wheelchair a

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
to:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: > So that's why I'm feeling uneasy as I approach 80. 😐 > > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 5:38 PM

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
r social networks > and lower spatial density. And further they attach themselves to these crazy > ideas because no one ever has the opportunity to push back except people that > go way out of their way like Glen. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam mailto:friam-b

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
le; smaller social networks > and lower spatial density. And further they attach themselves to these crazy > ideas because no one ever has the opportunity to push back except people that > go way out of their way like Glen. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam mailto:f

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
This is one that it would be nice to see broken down by age and other conditions. If unvaxxed hospitalizations are a true “cross section of America” (like jury duty), whereas the vaxxed ones are mainly old or sick with something else, that would be an important variable for deriving a risk prof

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

2021-08-15 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Aug 16, 2021, at 3:08 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > I understand Hydroxychloroquine to have been used widely in developing > (equatorial) countries as an antiviral (in particular Malaria) \ > Not antiviral, Steve. Plasmodium isn’t even a bacterium; it is a protozoan. One of us, gooble gobbl

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

2021-08-15 Thread David Eric Smith
You know what’s fun in this, is the window it gives on the sources of people’s finding things compelling: what G.C. Rota called “the unthematized” in his writings on phenomenology (philosopher’s sense, not science usage). If so many Eastern traditions hadn’t built up such a sense that all this w

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2021-08-11 Thread David Eric Smith
Nicely written article, on a thing we have been looking forward to for a while. Would be interesting to look at this state under Lorentz transforms, given that it is spatially localized and using Anderson’s asymptotically-total internal reflection to create a specially ordered pattern (if I unde

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-11 Thread David Eric Smith
Thank you Glen! Eric > On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:06 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > > Attached. > > Missing Arkansas, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, > Missouri, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Wyoming. > > On 8/10/21 4:43 PM, David Eric Smith wro

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-10 Thread David Eric Smith
not lazy, I > could find and download the data and make my own histogram. > > > Well, if it is only five times, then what is really the POINT? > Let’s tell Rand Paul about these gross exaggerations ASAP! > > Thanks, > > Marcus > > From: Friam mailto:fria

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-10 Thread David Eric Smith
go. > > Again, i appreciate the time you spent on this. > > Frank > > > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 2:26 AM David Eric Smith <mailto

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-09 Thread David Eric Smith
It is quite something. How about the Navajo Nation in NM and AZ, and even the counties surrounding them. They have it together. I had heard from a few sources that in much of the S and SW, it was only on the reservations that you saw serious and consistent measures taken to provide for public

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-08 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Frank, Only because Marcus responded…. This article https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/08/05/covid-19-vaccines-dont-really-work-as-hoped/ Isn’t a good start. I didn’t read the whole thing, so I will confine my

Re: [FRIAM] MM implies (*)

2021-07-26 Thread David Eric Smith
That’s interesting, Jon, I completely failed to put 2 and 2 together to realize that Starbird is a name I know from UT days, though I had never met him. I guess because I was not a math major during the time I was there, I had only very few contacts in the math department, and never happened t

Re: [FRIAM] Can current AI beat humans at doing science?

2021-07-20 Thread David Eric Smith
Could I revive within me Her symphony and song To such deep delight ’twould win me That with music loud and long I would build that pleasure dome in air That sunny dome, those caves of ice etc. etc. > On Jul 21, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > When I was in the Robotics Institute (no

Re: [FRIAM] Can current AI beat humans at doing science?

2021-07-20 Thread David Eric Smith
Nah. The thing that will drive academic scientists extinct within a semester is when google reveals AlphaGrant. Our world is not the one Simon and Newall lived in. The worth of an idea today is determined entirely and exclusively by what dollar value the proponent can fetch with it at the baz

Re: [FRIAM] Collective sensemaking

2021-07-19 Thread David Eric Smith
It is generous (and good), to try to reduce this to something as clean as logical fallacies. Your earlier email was really to the point, though, about motives. Neither here nor there, an anecdote from my own experience. I had not heard of any of these people, as I normally don’t, until Bill Mah

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2021-07-19 Thread David Eric Smith
Jon, hi, I have owed you a response for a long time. I think I kept imagining that, if I waited long enough, I would learn enough about a couple of things you asked to be able to understand the questions and perhaps answer usefully. At this stage I think I am giving up any systematic hope of

Re: [FRIAM] the slow red-pill

2021-07-18 Thread David Eric Smith
ave. > > I've been calling this (pseudo) domain "artificial morality". But that's as > far as I've gotten. 8^D > > On 7/15/21 5:28 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> This is a nice thread. >> >> Like any good narrow question, it q

Re: [FRIAM] the slow red-pill

2021-07-15 Thread David Eric Smith
This is a nice thread. Like any good narrow question, it quickly makes itself insoluble because it gets entangled with the whole wider world. In particular, the final paragraph, which I like, requires us to get back into the morass of “why punish”. > On Jul 16, 2021, at 8:21 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

2021-07-11 Thread David Eric Smith
ed through hundreds of anecdotes, > personal and cultural, in Robin Wall Kimmerer's writings (in particular > Braiding Sweetgrass > <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17465709-braiding-sweetgrass>). Instead > of exchanging goods and services based on a sense of "what

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

2021-07-05 Thread David Eric Smith
t from >> my genes was random right. At what point do get to embrace my merit as of >> my own making? So far as me, myself, is concerned, it’s all luck all the >> way down. That is what the declaration of independence means when it says >> that all [humans] are created equal. >

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

2021-07-05 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

2021-07-03 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

2021-07-02 Thread David Eric Smith
I think there is some version of this for college tuitions, too, though I am partly muddy-headed and what I say next will probably fail the logical map at some points. The general idea is some combination of what is in Ginsberg’s book https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Faculty-Benjamin-Ginsberg/dp/0199

Re: [FRIAM] The Dream of Florida

2021-07-01 Thread David Eric Smith
You'll be fine, Jochen. Just find some foreigners who have retained some of the habits of cooperation from whatever country they came from, and stay with them. You should be mostly safe that way. Eric > On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > We are planning a vacation in the

Re: [FRIAM] Shared intentionality as the hallmark of multicellular life

2021-06-26 Thread David Eric Smith
What was it the Joker said to Batman in one of the movies? “I don’t want you to die. You — complete me." > On Jun 27, 2021, at 5:05 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > I think viruses are involved in a conspiracy to eliminate us. And they're > using the scientific method. > > --- > Frank C. Wimbe

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

2021-06-26 Thread David Eric Smith
Thanks Glen, This link is good to know about. > On Jun 26, 2021, at 12:41 AM, glen ep ropella wrote: > > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fcommonfund.nih.gov%2fbridge2ai&c=E,1,aXUvJKYD4ILX9hTVNqjJk2cGrS8SwvAVhd7ja-YI2jxBNSB_yJkVWVG3R_J-tWci0WZYpUlykq5CvrTJF4HuDph396KQkO6_Q8j

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

2021-06-25 Thread David Eric Smith
And also yes: > On Jun 26, 2021, at 2:49 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > There are a small number of occasions I can remember that I wish I could > remember how a situation arose. The world goes on roaring around me and > mostly I don't have any influence over it. Nothing is held constant,

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

2021-06-25 Thread David Eric Smith
Yes, agreed, > On Jun 26, 2021, at 12:41 AM, glen ep ropella wrote: > > So, my sense is not that there's a categorical leap brought on by *scale* so > much as a categorical leap caused by some sort of inter-disciplinary > facility. It's similar to the idea that robust reasoning is an interwov

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

2021-06-25 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

2021-06-24 Thread David Eric Smith
esponse to her *hunch*. > > It doesn't sound quite right to talk of systematic forensics. It sounds more > right to say systematic bookkeeping for the sake of more publicizing to the > forum. > > On 6/23/21 9:42 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> Speaking of big data fo

[FRIAM] Big data forensics

2021-06-24 Thread David Eric Smith
Speaking of big data forensics (which no-one was): https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.18.449051v1.full.pdf Jesse was one of our CSSS students in a wonderful summer school we ran in Qingdao now many years ago. He

Re: [FRIAM] Coffee Shop

2021-06-03 Thread David Eric Smith
It was the two tin cans that zoom and Webex were modeled on, as Marcus noted. The design presumes there is a dichotomy between speaker and listener roles at every moment. > On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:01 AM, Barry MacKichan > wrote: > > > I can send you two tin cans, but I’m having trouble finding

Re: [FRIAM] individualism promotes altruism?

2021-05-31 Thread David Eric Smith
More like: when you feel your life is precarious and nobody gives a damn about you, you tend to be grasping, defensive, unhelpful, and after generations, belligerent and mean. There’s a lot of editorial on this in US papers these days. When you feel suitably protected, reasonably secure in you

Re: [FRIAM] How swarms of bees go from preferring one target to preferring another

2021-05-26 Thread David Eric Smith
ss. > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:17 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: [FRIAM] How swarms of bees go from preferring one

[FRIAM] How swarms of bees go from preferring one target to preferring another

2021-05-25 Thread David Eric Smith
I assume you all have been following the following: (?) https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/ I had seen bits and pieces of the cl

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-14 Thread David Eric Smith
m/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-71400-0.pdf > <https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-71400-0.pdf> > > On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 22:21, David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > I heard a nice story at an annual meeting a long time ago:

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-13 Thread David Eric Smith
I heard a nice story at an annual meeting a long time ago: maybe seven or eight years now; maybe a decade. It was in a side-conversation, told by some high-flying economist who had been in the room where it happened. This was soon after Obama had appointed Tim Geithner to try to repair the mes

Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

2021-05-09 Thread David Eric Smith
> On May 10, 2021, at 4:58 AM, jon zingale wrote: > > Please understand the context for my writing here: while waiting with > bated breath for EricS's response to my prodding[0], I am working to > better understand the larger discussion and to read EricS's paper[1]. I will reply, Jon. That on

Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

2021-05-09 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

2021-05-09 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

2021-05-09 Thread David Eric Smith
English has two categories of verbs: intransitive and transitive. If you use an intransitive verb — “yet it moves” — the Metaphor Nazi will catch you coming: claiming you are representing volition. If you use a transitive verb — “it is moved by gravity” — the Metaphor Nazi will catch you going:

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

2021-05-08 Thread David Eric Smith
> > So, on my original key point you and I seem to be in some sort of agreement. > > (Note to self: be more careful to use the spoon in future) > > Pieter > > On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 09:50, David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > Pieter

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

2021-05-08 Thread David Eric Smith
Pieter, hi and thank you, Yes, very good. Let me respond to your root post here, in parallel with whatever other branches may have grown from it. I want to note that the points in Glen’s first reply to the same post speak well for the things that animate me, and are better worded than mine.

Re: [FRIAM] FW: (no subject)

2021-05-06 Thread David Eric Smith
The more, that the cart is a system-level outcome of compatibility of interfaces among what are just more desserts, all the way down, though of several different kinds…. > On May 6, 2021, at 5:29 AM, > wrote: > > Oh, and …. this problem … > If that intuition is valid, then the only things S

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

2021-05-06 Thread David Eric Smith
Pieter, there is a good conversation to have here, but these bastards who seem committed to doing _everything_ in bad faith irritate me to the point where I spend time writing FRIAM posts instead of doing anything that will _ever_ benefit anyone or accomplish anything. Yes, the mRNA platform

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-06 Thread David Eric Smith
#x27;s abhorrence of capitalism will maybe find fertile ground > among some members of this group? > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 08:34, Russ Abbott <mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Eric, You explained many of the problems in much more depth and detail than I > di

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-05 Thread David Eric Smith
Yes, agreed, Russ, with amendments. I wrote some long awful thing on this yesterday and had the good manners to delete without sending. I think capitalism isn’t even about money; there are two issues: capitalist property rights and monetary or financial layers in the economy. I know Glen doesn

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread David Eric Smith
Just had a very strange physiological experience. Last evening when this came in, I read a few pages. Since it is all irony, snark, and preening, I assumed it is some flavor of post-modernism. Spent 1-2mins reading the abstract that says it invokes Bohr, and violates (as nearly as one can tell

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2021-04-28 Thread David Eric Smith
Jon, hi and thank you, So, I am not going to be knowledgeable or sophisticated enough to have a conversation with you as an equal on computational complexity classes and algorithms. I can tell you what I was hoping to take from Valiant, on the assumption that it is compatible with the current

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

2021-04-20 Thread David Eric Smith
and so I turned it > on. Let's just say the "compelling app" is not full of compelling people. > It is one thing to know that these anti-vaxxer people exist, it is another > thing to realize they have a place to talk, and do so. > > -Original Message- >

Re: [FRIAM] the tragedy of the voice operated lights

2021-04-20 Thread David Eric Smith
I paid for college working for a land surveyor in southern Cal. People there get _really_ nutty over land boundaries. When the Russians start to sell surpluses microwave attack devices on the black market, the first place they will show up is in California over border disputes. > On Apr 20, 20

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

2021-04-20 Thread David Eric Smith
This was a nice read, Glen, thank you. > On Apr 20, 2021, at 12:11 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > > I should have linked this: > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-ted-chiang-transcript.html > Several of Chiang’s observations have a ring of insight to me. On just one, fo

Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum

2021-04-15 Thread David Eric Smith
I worry that all these conversations are hard to have in a form that is useful for the relevant timescales, because they are all what would be called “partial equilibrium” calculations in Marshall’s terms. Meaning: you take a bunch of systemic properties for which you don’t try to model feedbac

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Marcus, Yes, this gets to the nut of it for me: > On Apr 10, 2021, at 6:48 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Anyway, 't Hooft doesn't say QM is flawed, just that QM isn't an explanation. > He makes the distinction between the value of his idea as an interpretation > vs. the possibility it (C

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread David Eric Smith
I also found this post fascinating, Marcus, thank you. T’Hooft has been on this program for a long time, and the whole thing mystifies me. He’s a just-enormous mind, and very fastidious in what he considers acceptable argument, so someone very much worth listening to. But why does he think a c

Re: [FRIAM] lockdowns

2021-04-07 Thread David Eric Smith
Attached to no particular entry in this thread, some tiny points that I think help clean up around edges of things others have said. 1. Dave’s point on CA and FL. I saw a news writeup of the same study he mentions. One of the commenters to that writeup wanted to emphasize that, while De Santi

Re: [FRIAM] Philosophy, Ethics, Academia (PEA)

2021-04-01 Thread David Eric Smith
Glen, I like the fact that you word the following so as to suggest it’s impossible by tautology: > How can there *ever* be any form of capitalism that's NOT "crony"? If there's > a state, the state will be ... [cough] ... leveraged to gain asymmetric power. I like it because the implication th

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2021-03-25 Thread David Eric Smith
ance? I > don't need to know where. If so, I'll feel more confident in encouraging them > to read it. > > > On March 24, 2021 4:46:23 PM PDT, David Eric Smith > wrote: >> I will claim that part of the problem is a bad problem in conceptual >> delinea

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2021-03-24 Thread David Eric Smith
Nick, hi, I won’t be able to do anything like even a good-faith effort to reply to this thread. The time it would cost me to compose something I wouldn’t either disagree with or regret having written will cost me more shame and punishment for delinquency than I can budget at the moment. Your

Re: [FRIAM] Nothing to do with nick, do we have a formula

2021-02-16 Thread David Eric Smith
ause more energy and heat in the air somehow > causes the colder heavier air to sink to the ground just enough it causes > so much to practically freeze? > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:29 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > Gillian, > > I

Re: [FRIAM] Nothing to do with nick, do we have a formula

2021-02-16 Thread David Eric Smith
Gillian, I was told several years ago (2018) by a specialist in this area that these extreme southerly dips in the jet stream are a consequence of the weakening of the polar vortex on Earth. It happens I was in Korea at a time corresponding to the Winter Olympics in PyeongChang, and we were fr

Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

2021-02-11 Thread David Eric Smith
Nick, There is a character to this conversation like many in this list. There is a thing you do by instinct, which drives me batty and makes me want to call you an Analytical Philosopher and other such insults. Like anything done by instinct (think of Trump’s instinct for instigation), it is

Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

2021-02-10 Thread David Eric Smith
What did Obama say in that last Correspondents’ Dinner speech? ~”I said at the start of my presidency that I hoped that the discourse in our politics would change. In hindsight I realize I should have been more specific.” Eric > On Feb 10, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > I was war

Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

2021-02-10 Thread David Eric Smith
Aha, Nick! You have Curried the function! Having Ham and Eggs is a function. Having Ham and Eggs given Having Eggs is a Curried function, which now turns on whether you have ham or not as its one argument. Just to cause trouble, Eric > On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, > wrote: > > Frank, >

Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...

2021-02-09 Thread David Eric Smith
96rhSwqF1U44JM1hzOoUmMjP0ZVSOsXPfEvfuAT5PMw,,&typo=1> > > From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 3:58 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ... > >

Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...

2021-02-09 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Feb 8, 2021, at 10:31 PM, > wrote: > > That’s nifty Stephen, > > So we potentially have at least two sorts of motion that the haircells can > detect: motion of the fluid in the channel and motion of the cochlea itself. ? Motion of fluid relative to whatever reference surface anch

Re: [FRIAM] While walking to get tacos...

2021-02-05 Thread David Eric Smith
Actually, Jon, I liked your original final line best. I take your point about Frost, but perhaps there is more about the compositional spirit of Haiku that survives, beyond line and meter counts. The first line will often establish place and condition, frequently with one or another seasonal re

Re: [FRIAM] While walking to get tacos...

2021-02-04 Thread David Eric Smith
Neat. I knew about the murder of crows, but not this term. https://longstreet.typepad.com/thesciencebookstore/2009/07/an-unkindness-of-ravens-a-murder-of-crows-naming-things.html#:~:text=An%20Unkindness%20of%20Ravens%3B%20a%20Murder%20of%20Crows.,-Naming%20Things.&text=Names%20given%20the%20colle

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-02-03 Thread David Eric Smith
>> The larger culture war is about whether we will have the possibility of >> design and experiment. Like in any experiment, unanticipated consequences >> can occur. Beliefs may be falsified along the way. Coherent design can't >> occur if every citizen claims

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-02-03 Thread David Eric Smith
Your distillations of the American Zeitgeist are awfully good, Marcus. Eric > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > EricS writes: > > < I have so often in these emails wished I had an excuse to say what a high > and specific opinion I have of Warren. I view her as a desig

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