Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

... On 9/30/24 12:20 PM, steve smith wrote: As usual, I am finding a strong hint of a whiff of something profound in Glen's references here, but I will probably biff my response/elaboration with my heady excitement: I had to /find/ Vico and refresh myself on Rawls: *Giambattista Vico

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

As usual, I am finding a strong hint of a whiff of something profound in Glen's references here, but I will probably biff my response/elaboration with my heady excitement: I had to /find/ Vico and refresh myself on Rawls: *Giambattista Vico*, an 18th-century philosopher best known for his

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

ike nuclear power requires significant look-ahead. And I'm far from an Elno advocate. But there's a kind of meta-processing we have to go through in deciding where Agile is best versus where Waterfall is best. I sincerely doubt either

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

On 9/15/24 9:40 AM, Prof David West wrote: Roger, I love this post. Although NOT what you intended, I find it a scathing (if a bit indirect) indictment of scientism (the privileging of the scientific method) and of Pierce's truth as reasoned consensus philosophy i can only hope to meet an u

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

But there's a kind of meta-processing we have to go through in deciding where Agile is best versus where Waterfall is best. I sincerely doubt either of us could have had such an argument with a chatbot, even in the medium-flung future. On 9/13/24 11:34, steve smith wrote: Glen - I ap

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

. The guy with the domme tried to commercialize it with a web site where you entered your preferred kinks and the AI indulged your fantasy - words only - for a fee.] I am probably the only one curious as to what might have been, had the AIs not been censored by their creators. davew On Fri

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

Glen - I appreciate your speaking more directly to these thoughts/ideas than we have been here.   I have been moved by your assertions about vocal (linguistic?) grooming since you first introduced them.   I am recently finished reading Sopolsky's "Primate's Memoir" which adds another dimensio

Re: [FRIAM] Starlink

I'm on NMSurf.com for most of a decade now, after the grant-funded San I wireless system ground to a halt after the funding went away...   before that I enjoyed a whole year of HughesNet satellight which was painfully asymmetric and heavily latent.  Before that dialup over the most poorly maint

Re: [FRIAM] Passing of Carl Tollander

Carl was the one I was most likely to sit with and talk one-on-one during WedTech luncheons when we both used to attend (decade or more ago?) semi-regularly.   I also acutely remember when he brought the Taiko Drum group (just forming) to SFx circa 2008?  It was quite a scene and the old railca

Re: [FRIAM] on government

to "Power Corrupts" stated as "Power IS Corruption"? -Steve On 8/28/24 14:26, steve smith wrote: There's no system of governance that hasn't been corrupted. They're all the worst forms of governance ever invented, except for the alternative of dealing w

Re: [FRIAM] on government

There's no system of governance that hasn't been corrupted. They're all the worst forms of governance ever invented, except for the alternative of dealing with a group of self-selected fellow citizens under no system of governance whatsoever. -- rec -- And being a fan of James Scott (The A

Re: [FRIAM] on government

ulture?   I'm at least half-hooked...  and on a good day it makes me think I can fly!  Or not. *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 9:53 AM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] on government No News == Good News I'm inclined to agree with

Re: [FRIAM] on government

No News == Good News I'm inclined to agree with this.  In my analogical/metaphorical style I think of "News" as being something like "Inflammation" in an organism or tissue.   Inflammation has a role... to warn the organism (or coupled systems) that something is out of "healthy operating range

Re: [FRIAM] Good lecture on economics and complexity

Tom - I listened to this and also to the same (roughly) lecture given at Oxford... with a different set of questions, etc. Thanks for opening it up here... This ties in well with the (slim?) chance that AI facilitated modeling might actually allow us (modern/tech humanity) to course correct

Re: [FRIAM] On telos- was: When are telic attributions appropriate in physical descriptions?

I'm wondering if there has been a "karmic" analysis of assembly theory (or vice-versa)? On 8/15/24 7:10 PM, Prof David West wrote: I find the "Laws of Karma" illuminating for any discussion of telicity, especially the 'free will' aspect brought up by glen. The Vedic-Buddhist notion of karma b

[FRIAM] 42 Writ Large

I am much less experienced/intimate with logo/ideographic languages I am sure than either of you (JZ, DW) but did once indulge in a fascination with them (Hanzi in particular, though Kanji is more broadly presented in Western contexts?).   (nod to Stephen's early/continued engagement with moder

Re: [FRIAM] This makes me think of this list...

Marcus wrote: The recent results about AI Models collapsing when trained on recursively generated data seems to me to apply to this kind of human political activity as well. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07566-y I think the MAGA machine is collapsing under this weight as we spe

Re: [FRIAM] When are telic attributions appropriate in physical descriptions?

On 8/14/24 9:30 AM, Prof David West wrote: glen: " ... it's fundamental to biology for organisms to seek ecstatic states ... the oneness of the universe, the dissolution of the self, etc." There is a lot of evidence that this is true, and perhaps it is a behavior that could contribute to the,

Re: [FRIAM] When are telic attributions appropriate in physical descriptions?

Your interleaving broke me. I can't tell if you have a coherent thing to say or if you're merely reacting shallowly to the things I've said. Maybe it's because I'm still sick from my last COVID infection and just can't think straight. But I can't coerce your interleaved responses into a coher

Re: [FRIAM] When are telic attributions appropriate in physical descriptions?

Dude. OK. The Angels becoming Demons isn't a duality, at least in my intent raising it, here. Not clear which of the myriad usages of /dual/ you are saying it is not. But I will try to defer to your declaration that such doesn't map onto your intentions in invoking them.   Most oft/recently

Re: [FRIAM] When are telic attributions appropriate in physical descriptions?

;s more the profundity is because the people I see who are most guilty of it are attracted by the "awe" or the "beauty" of some thing. They *want* to get stoned on some aesthetic, whatever it is ... carried away, ecstatic, blissful, etc. Like a paradox or sophism, there's a k

[FRIAM] The Limbic System of the Superorganism and Adrenal Fatigue

We have spoken of Limbic hijack at the personal level, but haven't broached an analogy of this with the US, Western World, and Global "superorganism" which I feel (being a metaphorist) is an apt one. While I have not identified precisely as liberal or progressive in my life, I have it seems be

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

and free association. But on the other hand, it's like everyone is a home-schooled weirdo these days and nobody knows how to, for example, bite their tongue or avoid picking their nose in public. Not everybody needs to be a Hunter S Thompson, "neurodivergent", or whatever. Some of

Re: [FRIAM] When are telic attributions appropriate in physical descriptions?

Maybe. I'm not convinced. Profundity is THE breeding ground for bullshit. I'm more inclined (in the context of my own profundity or perhaps more aptly prolificness or prolixity) to suggest that it is more of a mask (and therefore enabler?) of bullshit than a breeding ground. Could be a fine h

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

By the way, my daughter's title in the Secretary of Public Education Office is Financial Technician.  I can multiply two 2 digit numbers mentally pretty fast. Frank I so know the massive slowdown when I go from 2-3 digits (even 2x3) multiplication...   it goes from something mostly intuitive

Re: [FRIAM] lunch at Casa Bonita today at 1230p.

Will there be (more) cliff diving?   Metaphorically of course. We'll be at lunch today at Casa Bonita. -S -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/v

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

ese days and nobody knows how to, for example, bite their tongue or avoid picking their nose in public.     Not everybody needs to be a Hunter S Thompson, "neurodivergent", or whatever. Some of us should be allowed to identify as "normal". Introspection is a sickness.     On 8/

[FRIAM] Rambling Tangent on Identity and SocioPolitics - was: differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

) mostly identified from the outside->in. We were sorted by society. The kids these days seem more self-sorted. On the one hand, that could feel like increased liberty and free association. But on the other hand, it's like everyone is a home-schooled weirdo these days and nobody

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

I jumped straight to the Artistic meaning of /frottage/ as coined originally by Max Ernst and while not as an act of psychopathy, it does have strong implications for the psychological/subconscious implications in this context? In any case, I find it a compelling opening line of the /call me

Re: [FRIAM] why musk bought twitter

Re: effing the ineffable - I've Just been listening to Douglas Hofstadter's latest book/, //Surfaces and Essences: Analogy as the Fuel and Fire of Thinking /and trying to resolve it against my recent thoughts and readings around adjacent possibles, and assembly theoretic models of life, the uni

Re: [FRIAM] why musk bought twitter

Glen/Marcus - I really appreciate you both explicating your thoughts/opinions on this topic in "public" here.   I can't honestly engage in the logics you two are sharing in detail, it may be a Boomer v X thing, or maybe our cultural or even technological backgrounds. In any case, I think I tra

Re: [FRIAM] Immersive projection and gasometers

SG - fascinating... of course SFe (and any city of the "town gas" era) would have such a thing!   do you know if SFe had public lighting or was it just used indoors and industrialy?   I always wondered how people committed suicide by sticking their head in an oven... it seems that before natu

Re: [FRIAM] Clocks

Jon - Great and timely framing of the meta-question. I've been reading David Abram's "Becoming Animal" which among many other things draws clear attention to the myriad ways that every organism is defined not just "socially" or even "nutriently" by it's complex embedding in an ecosystem or so

Re: [FRIAM] Self-Consciousness, experience and metaphysics

Glen - All animalia have closed neural-sensorimotor loops and all life have chem-bio sensorimotor loops? So the "fusion" of which you speak, if we want to reserve "consciousness" for humans, human-familiars (pets, other domesticates, human-tolerant wild animals), charismatic animals (the one

Re: [FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

aith and his work.  He said, "Two different worlds." Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 9:04 AM steve smith wrote: EricS/DaveW Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events of c

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

REC - well found and well quoted... blink blink.  I would try to expand/expound but would surely just stir the mud I've already raised in this already murky pond... tx,  - SAS This was kind of enlightening, too, on hackernews yesterday, in the vein of 'Dude, what happened to liberalism?'

[FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

EricS/DaveW Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events of choosing, is not contained within the formal system.  Alongside the formal system, the program of living as it is realized is yet-another thing in the world, of a different kind. This is downright poetic. It echoes Sch

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

Numbers are real things. The more one explores them, the more experiences one has of them, the more confidently one comes to rely on them. automatic cash registers (and calculators to some extent) reduced numbers to numerals (or in some cases mere signifiers?) so it any wonder that people w

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Dave - I do have lots of stories about self-awareness in a variety of contexts. All of them lead to the conclusion that, "I" am NOT /"one of those that others are." (obviously there is some marginal overlap)/ Of course this is based entirely on what 'others' are willing/able to publicly revea

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Nick - I think I tried to help you arrange to scan/OCR "Wild Animals I have Known" as much as a decade ago? I'm guessing his work had a significant effect on you and perhaps in leading you to your profession/career? I encountered Seton's "Wild Animals I have Known"  in my grade-school libr

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

ook up, at Jackson, as he is receiving a treat, then stand, in a position I interpret as 'being on alert' and look at Jackson, then at me, then Jackson, then me (sometimes as many as 4-5 times), then 'staring' at me.  Jackson does something simil

Re: [FRIAM] Dialogues with George IV: 1

In Clear Text for those who don't have MS Word in their lives... /ME:// // //My grandchild, who is 17, asks me to explain why I sometimes laugh when they say something especially wise, smart, and/or insightful. I know that it's generally not polite to laugh at people when they are not telling

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

ilo" culture and hasn't driven much if at all for decades.   Her siblings, not so much... so maybe not This is one of the best parts of FriAM IMO, the broad multi-cultural embedding in spite of a somewhat white-male-techno-professional substrate.  Thanks for the update... Follow up ques

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

glen sed: ...   I accidentally let it slip that I started my professional career developing cluster bombs for the Army. I got more than one side eye. >8^D Of course, I switched to defensive weapons at some point ... because ... well ... of course. I came to LANL (LASL) 9 years before the end

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

As things slide off toward more and more (probability of and depth of) authoriatarian intolerance I find myself trying to reign my self back in to the question of what to do with my offense and real concern for the nation (and world):  I do I prepare to be a Schindler

Re: [FRIAM] Joscha Bach claims Microsoft sentient but not conscious

On 7/16/24 4:29 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: A bit paradox: consciousness and language enable us to leave the bubble of nowness in which animals live I like this, reminded that the bubble of nowness and hereness (and thusness of our umwelt?), is transcended and transferable via language. I think

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

As the whitelash thing works itself out over the next few decades, I listened to JD Vance's interviews when he was first on his "Hillbilly Elegy" booktour back whenever (2015?) and was hopeful for him.   I thought he was bringing some type of visibility and healthy response to the stigmergi

Re: [FRIAM] Joscha Bach claims Microsoft sentient but not conscious

My litany of examples of entities in my life all share the fact of "living in a bubble of nowness".   The fact that those bubbles overlap to different degrees seems to contribute to our "mutual" apprehension of one another's consciousness (not symmetric). The non-animal entities at the best pr

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Nick - I must say, I am grateful and pleased by all these testimonials and I am beginning to sense method in my madness. I'm glad you were willing able to wade through my gallop of observations/reflections/experiences with these two highly central creatures in my household. I notice you are mu

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Hank my dog (with whom I have a loving relationship but who loves and is loved my Mary) barks at the TV when a barking sound emanates from it.  If he sees a dog-figure cavorting on the screen he barks more vigorously even if the barking sounds ceases.  If he sees *any* animal like figure on the

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

and that of a quark or a brane or a string-loop or some abstract monad?  B) if yes, what are the implications of this?  or C) why does quantizing "conscioiusness" into "humans like me" and "every other bit of life" feel necessary, useful or appealing?_  Steve Steve

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

Nick - I'm glad you acknowledged (in another branch of this thread?) the "grumpiness" aspect of your initiation/participation in this thread.  Your analogy around thought/feeling "expression" and that of pimple popping is in fact very apt if a bit graphic.  I do think many of us want this app

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

hat has just come upon me,but he demurs politely when I invite him to dinner.  Friam has been spared much of my madness because of George. Nick On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 12:53 PM steve smith wrote: Sabine H.   snarked this at me... and I responded by trying to

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

I find this nicely referential to Jeff Hawkins (Palm Pilot, Redwood) SensoriMotor learning based in his (poorly named?) 1000 Brains theory and his (new to me) concept/project of applying those Neurological Models of the NeoCortex to developing AI. https://spectrum.ieee.org/jeff-hawkins On

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Sabine H. snarked this at me... and I responded by trying to read through the AI hype sprinkled with Quantum Dust...  I think it is (obliquely?) relevant to our Consciousness Maunderings here. QUALL-E, a quantum computer running a human-level artificial intelligence algorithm, who has obs

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Nick - Aw, Steve .   Get those hips done!  I waited to long to do mine. I'm pretty sure (applying the principle of worst-case scenarios) once the first order challenges (hips) relieve I will discover all the second order challenges (knees, ankles, lower back, etc.) the hip pain (and my accomod

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Nick - God, Steve, am I 20 years older than you  But you're so OLD1 I know man. I have an 83 year old buddy who I share a huge number of strange coincidences with, but once we get into the "good old days" I find that I often wasn't born when he was already carousing hard.   His first ca

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Nick - Your Magellanic voyage from desk to couch reminds me too much of my own these days with nearly 20 years between us.  Each time you make that journey without scaring yourself or anyone else you are my hero once again. I could not find flaw in your eloquent Open Letter and speaks more c

[FRIAM] Lex hand-carries softballs to Ivanka to hit from his hand...

Glen can say "I told you so, why don't you listen more carefully?" now. I have *mostly* referenced Fridman here in terms of podcast/interviews I have watched and offer as a positive experience. I am skipping my way through his (today's?) interview with Ivanka T-K and find it informative but n

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

Eric - Roberts is the one I have to work harder to find words for. Not because it is hard to know what I think of him, but because it is hard to put the right terms together. It’s a kind of blandly presented disingenuousness, but so over-the-top disingenuous that that is where I run out of

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

Thanks. That makes it clearer. I had written, in response to Steve, a whole diatribe on the convexity of the space (or lack thereof) and how the space-filling curve of our laws and distributed court and executive system constrains the space of outcomes ... totally without any kind of Thielian

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

A little nitpickery (disambiguation?) of my own, larded and marbled in: The MAGAs aren't the wealthy, they are envious of the wealthy. DJT included. Yes, MAGAs are not wealthy except relatively as we all are... but I think there is a skew there... the truly wealthy backing MAGA are in fact us

Re: [FRIAM] Debate and Election

 Marcus wrote: Right-wing authoritarianism seems to be about 25-30% of the population in the United States. And if only 67% of the "eligible" voters vote, and "all" of the authoritarians register and vote for the Fascist then the remainder voters remains order >37% of population which look

[FRIAM] Debate and Election

While I'm on a roll (see [un]official disambiguation thread): I gurgitated: Phellow Phriamers - Here are my anti-Trump ideations grounded in the SCrOTUS decision of the day: Warning, vivid imagery which may induce */limbic chaos/*! -

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

Phellow Phriamers - Here are my anti-Trump ideations grounded in the SCrOTUS decision of the day: Warning, vivid imagery which may induce */limbic chaos/*! President Joe Biden writes the following (official act) execu

[FRIAM] the world is watching us...

What are our Non-USA members hearing/thinking after last night's debate/debacle? I felt that Biden's Rally today was something necessary for him (and Jill and the DNC) to do to demonstrate that last night was some kind of anomaly, but it doesn't erase it, just cleanses the palate a little bit

[FRIAM] Ruidoso/Mescalero Fire relief

As many of you are aware (especially locals and Jochen who mentioned them recently), the Ruidoso/Mescalero area in NM has been burning down over the last week, and now as the fire threat is subsiding, the rain that is helping quell that is now yielding flood threats and damage. https://nmfi

Re: [FRIAM] "Weather line" on 14

And another regional example of interest: https://spanishpeakscountry.com/the-great-dikes/ The text suggests "igneous intrusions into sandstone" and "sandstone eroded away to expose the igneous intrusions". I'm familiar with igneous "plugs" such as my nearby Black Mesa and the famous Devi

Re: [FRIAM] "Weather line" on 14

As I think I remember it, I think the opening scenes to Tom Hanks "News of the World" were shot in that vicinity... minor aside is that the "wagon trail" he was on looked like a 2 track modern-vehicle road... wear patterns/stance appropriate to a pickup truck not a 19 century wagon trail. On

Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

ld (plasma formation) arcing?   The system apparently recovered very quickly which is unusual in our poorly maintained COOP.    The Cerro Grande fire was triggered by a (windfall?) downed powerline as I remember it. On 6/20/24 9:21 AM, steve smith wrote: does the NWS/etc even have an entry in the

Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

does the NWS/etc even have an entry in their warning system for "haboob"? I'm not that clear on the difference from RECs "derecho"...  GPTs differentiation wasn't particularly helpful in this case. Wikipedia's entries were a little more helpful with a suggestion that the derecho is driven befo

Re: [FRIAM] new directions at the michael levin lab

riends think babies are "disgusting".  I hope many others in their generation feel differently. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 12:59 PM steve smith wrote: This is

Re: [FRIAM] Democracy at work

Pieter - Congratulations on what sounds like a win from your perspective... we sure haven't exhibited much grace lately.   I felt like Gore (2000) and Hillary 2016), despite fighting for transparency and fairness backed out/down pretty gracefully pretty quickly... absolutely not so in 2020 an

Re: [FRIAM] new directions at the michael levin lab

This is all so apropos of my quest to provide "elder advice" to my children (40-somethings), nieces/nephews (30-somethings), and grandchildren (5, 12)... I know (most) everything I experienced/learned a half-century ago is only marginally relevant as most of what my parents/grandparents tried t

Re: [FRIAM] Addiction and depression

ould say that the food giants exploit our reward system for their profits in the same way that despotic rules exploit our emotions to stay in power, for instance by promising protection against an imagined threat ("The country is not safe! I will make it safe" as Judson Brewer writes

Re: [FRIAM] Addiction and depression

I'm probably behind the times with pop-lingo but I was caught by a new (to me) phrase of "limbic hijack". I'm left wondering what the adaptive value of this (apparent) exaptation is?   My interests have been focused about the competition between individual (human) organismal adaptation and soc

Re: [FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

rallel/salient... ? On 6/14/24 7:37 PM, steve smith wrote: ericS> Russell Brand, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Brand I am put in mind of Joaquin Phoenix’s style of preening as Joker in whichever batman movie it was. I remember when Dennis Miller was a comedic darling of the left

Re: [FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

ericS> Russell Brand, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Brand I am put in mind of Joaquin Phoenix’s style of preening as Joker in whichever batman movie it was. I remember when Dennis Miller was a comedic darling of the left until after 9-11 when he seemed to do a full 180...  and

Re: [FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

Glen wrote: a bit like the paradox of tolerance . Thanks for this reference... it reminds me of a few other similar ones involving unintended and counter-intuitive outcomes: Jevons Paradox: as technological improvements increase the ef

[FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

glen wrote: Sure, as EricS points out, Fridman's cohort may have more credible members than Rogan's cohort ... or maybe not. But it brings up the great exploration v exploitation dilemma ... a bit like the paradox of tolerance . I don't

[FRIAM] Perplexity Pages as morph of Search (e.g. Google), Generative Text (e.g. GPT) and crowd sourced Encyclopedia (Wikipedia)

anyone tracked/investigated this? https://www.perplexity.ai/ https://generativeai.pub/perplexity-introduces-pages-the-most-powerful-ai-article-generator-0e8c522e091b -. --- - /

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Marcus wrote: The double slit experiment demonstrates what appears to be nondeterminism, but that hasn't prevented development of an accurate model of the phenomena that deterministic computers can simulate. I don't have to believe a deterministic interpretation of the double slit experiment

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Steve writes: < She starts out with simple Materialist/Vitalist contrasts but alludes (nearly) to Marcus latest snark: /"//Simulate from first principles: https://www.vasp.at/ >/ What’s odd is this idea there is something about nature that can’t be described in a repeatable

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

ent natural language in a symbolic way.  Evolutionary algorithms run on digital computers and large language models that encode and interpolate metaphors. *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2024 12:42 PM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] new math of comp

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

In a similar vein: https://xkcd.com/2945/ -- rec -- Russel Munroe is so prolific and self-documenting, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't (somewhere) documented/attributed the myriad influences: Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog On Thu, Jun 13

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Up to some strong interpretations of QM "physics is deterministic but not pre-stateable" is the ground I usually stand on.   I don't need to invoke non-determinism to believe in open-ended complexity...   combinatoric (roughly factorial) arithmetic overwhhelms counting, additive, multiplicative

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

I find that Michael Levin speaks elaborately and eloquently on the code/environment duality in many interesting contexts: https://drmichaellevin.org/ On 6/12/24 4:30 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: Emergence as a kind of “software in the natural world"? If we mean code by it, then yes, certainly.

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Speaking of emergence, any takes on Phillip Ball's article in Quanta? https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-new-math-of-how-large-scale-order-emerges-20240610/ I really liked his summary of the current non-explanations for emergence, but I haven't had time to read further. -- rec -- As a me

Re: [FRIAM] Unpleasant dreams

On 6/4/24 2:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Decorticate animals may writhe and pass and even groan.  Are they dreaming? Nick Thompson, meet my bar friend Galen Preston Tracyk the 4th...  he/she/they are a bar friend who is always happy to speculate with me about just about anything.   I pas

Re: [FRIAM] Unpleasant dreams

'I might restate Rvonsuo as "dreams help us find the nooks and crannies in the hull of constraints presented to us by reality - the edge cases' This aligns with my experiences, observations, mildly founded beliefs.   Game theory experts here might be able to add something about the as

Re: [FRIAM] Unpleasant dreams

my dream life has been pretty elaborate from time to time and most of it is not particularly unpleasant, but when I have had unpleasant dreams they roughly fall into two categories:   1) worrying the future; 2) worrying the past. Mine are biased toward "frustration" over "fear". 

Re: [FRIAM] Nick: Los Alamos Skywarn Meeting thurs at 2p

Nick, I bet you could make a friend at this meeting. I can drive. https://www.losalamosnm.us/News-articles/County-invites-community-to-become-Skywarn-Storm-Spotters We might be able to stop by Steve Smith's place for cookies and scotch on the way back down :-) Rye Whiskey (and wild, wild w

Re: [FRIAM] rip Dennett

gance ... an unjustified confidence in our own brain farts. People are complex enough that we can harvest what we want, cafeteria style, and leave the rest to disappear into the amnesiac void. We neither need nor want a *complete* understanding of anyone or any thing. On 4/24/24 20:26,

Re: [FRIAM] rip Dennett

I am lead by Glen's response to think of Orson Scott Card's "Speaker for the Dead" In Orson Scott Card's "Speaker for the Dead," the main and titular theme revolves around understanding and compassion through the truthful telling of o

Re: [FRIAM] How the mind works

I don't know about the rest of you but mine is more like a Pachinko Machine... So is the human mind similar to Quantum Mechnics or does it resemble a nuclear reactor? -J. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40038352 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_(quantum_mechanics) [3]

Re: [FRIAM] Comparing negative numbers

Nick - If your model is that the the instability of the cat-cat-food situation is positively (and nominally linearly) correlated with the distance between them (more likely inversely, but that is a separate issue) then the absolute value is a very reasonable way of removing any implied issues

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

le and snow, what of ancient Mediterranean cultures maybe having none for "blue" (because it is so ubiquitous as to be invisible)?  Or 99 names of God (Allah version)? On 3/31/24 12:40, Steve Smith wrote:     ... even the less savory ( to my pinko-liberal palate) of the high bench

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

lls of DC (even if he is a Judge not Exec or Legislator)? He managed a very positive tone/affect resisting Welker in spite of her pressing him hard on many things we all might want to hear his opinion on. - SASfrass On 3/31/24 12:42 PM, Steve Smith wrote: /Sucker born every minute?/

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

/Sucker born every minute?/ /Fool me twice, shame on me? / Talking with John Zingale at Friam about conniving chatbots, I remembered this essay from 2009, https://elf.org/etc/swindle.html, which starts from real estate speculators in early US history and gets to the deplorable state of the in

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

REC sed: but the "dark side" of the moon is sunlit for half of every month? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowpiercer On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 11:33 AM glen wrote: Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ... assuming you can negotiate with

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