Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Nick sez: We have a word for tingo, don’t we? Its “to ”borrow””. In my experience 'to "borrow" ', in our culture usually means to "take without permission" or more bluntly "to steal". That extends to "borrowing without returning" and anecdotally we are familiar with those who seem to do

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Marcus- I was thinking of the ER=EPR example. My intuition is that after we elaborate enough examples like this, as well as Feynman's observation that since all (heretofore observed) electrons appear identical, perhaps they are a *single* electron which is everywhere/everywhen, we might

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Glen - Works for me, I was thinking "crypto athiest"... Naa. I don't qualify as any sort of atheist. I have gods, they're just unique gods. Understood... "crypto-animist" perhaps? I didn't think much of the term (animist) until I encountered it in Abram's "Spell of the Sensuous" which

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Marcus - The _/From Other Tongues/_ sketch is good. Both what is heard and what is said could be modeled as a closure over some subjective representation. ... The squiggles suggest that the types are not yet shared amongst the agents. I agree with this, but the theme of the "From

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

egory and parable. And THAT kindof undermined the phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance referencing "under God"... Carry on! - Steve On 06/23/2017 11:39 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: I tend to ask those who were raised (and usually Confirmed) Catholic but no longer pract

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Stephen - For catholics, a confirmed unmarried man might be different than a confirmed bachelor . being an unmarried man but not a Catholic, Confirmed or otherwise, I am not a bachelor, though my current lifestyle mimics many of the qualities of the canonical (but not Canonized) confirmed

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Marcus - This is about the time when I expect Dave West to jump in with his rant about how broken the metaphor of "mind as computer" (or perhaps venn diagram) is. Though he may not be cross-subscribed here. Ignoring those arguments for a moment and giving over to the metaphor, let me

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Glen - Thanks for the thoughtful analysis and return to(ward) the point at hand. Your comparison of "closure" to Nick's idea of "surplus" (intentional or not) meaning. I accept that in programming a computer, "closure" is a useful tool, to avoid unintended "side effects". In natural

Re: [FRIAM] Waterboarding a dead Horse in a Desert with no name.

ty is what led me to say Mrs. Glen instead of Mrs. Ropella. It seemed less official. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 15, 2017 3:36 PM, "Steven A Smith" <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: On 6/15/17 2:46 PM, glen ☣ wrote:

[FRIAM] Waterboarding a dead Horse in a Desert with no name.

On 6/15/17 2:46 PM, glen ☣ wrote: On 06/15/2017 12:52 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: From my point of view, Glen Zigged, while I remained on course. Of course, from Glen's frame of reference, *he* was on a straight course and * Zagged. That is why iterative discussion is required

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion... On 06/14/2017 05:36 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Hairsplitting here (again), but I don't see what Nick or I did as *premature* registration, maybe *mis*registration?

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

G/M - Hairsplitting here (again), but I don't see what Nick or I did as *premature* registration, maybe *mis*registration? Or am I being "premature" again? BTW, B. Cantwell's "Origin of Objects"! What a classic, I haven't heard anyone else reference this one in forever! Marcus' riff

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

At the risk of another discursion: I think I just realized what I've been (almost) seeing of value in all this back and forth: 1. I (and Nick) heard Glen's invocation of the Onion as an attempt to explicate a useful difference between levels and layers in the understanding of Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

/*NST -*/ */[NST==>I like “source” and “target”. Let’s use these terms here on out. “Domain” is probably unnecessary, and might lead to hand-waving. I still hate “conceptual metaphor” as introducing potential for confusion. Anytime you say “This thing is a That” you are invoking a

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

hat's not at all what I did. I did not propose onion as a source and layer as a target. That completely misses my point. An onion is a thing that can be sliced up, thought about, analyzed, by various different methods. No metaphor involved. This tendency to see metaphors everywhere is a strang

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

et tall! Thank you Grace Slick! I'm waiting for "Jefferson Wormhole" to form and transport us to another universe. Metaphorically speaking of course! - Sneeze On 06/12/2017 10:01 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: I always appreciate your corrections. You are naturally the only one

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

aphor in your world-view? We might (once again) be bashing around in different wings of Borges' "Library of Babel" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Library_of_Babel ) - Sieve On 6/12/17 11:01 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: Glen - I always appreciate your corrections. You are natu

[FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

^) On 06/12/2017 09:39 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: In the example at hand, Glen invoked "an Onion" as the /source/ domain in a metaphor to try to understand the more general and abstract target domain of /layer/. Other /source/ domains (deposition layers, skin, geology) were offer

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

FWIW In my parlance (I think well informed by formal usage), A /conceptual metaphor/ has a /source/ and a /target/ domain. The /target/ domain is the domain one is trying to understand/explain by comparison to the /source/ domain. The /source/ domain is considered the/image donor/. We use

Re: [FRIAM] IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

I just read through the article and was equally intrigued and disappointed... intrigued by some of the ideas presented and disappointed by the (mostly) superficial treatment in the article... of course, it is at the right level for the audience I think, so no harm, no foul... I just need to

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

erly wrote: Via Cape Horn or the Panama Canal? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 11, 2017 11:36 AM, "Roger Critchlow" <r...@elf.org <mailto:r...@elf.org>> wrote: On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

rosian twist, even MacCormac;s theory of metaphor is itself a metaphor. If this thread attracts interest, I think the work of MacCormac would provide a rich mine of potential ideas and a framework fo

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

rd ouroboros <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros> before Dave used it. Thanks for the term. But even though I had never heard the term, the ouroboros was the image that came to mind when I first learned recursion! On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:22 PM Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

st, even MacCormac;s theory of metaphor is itself a metaphor. If this thread attracts interest, I think the work of MacCormac would provide a rich mine of potential ideas and a framework for the discussion. Unfortunately, it mostly seems to be behind pay walls — the books and JSTOR or its il

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

d folds) for that, but I can't think of a biological example" Epidermis, dermis, hypodermis? They interact. Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 9, 2017 10:12 PM, "Steven A Smith" <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: Vlad - I find your use/choic

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Vlad - I find your use/choice/settling-upon "lamina/laminae" seems very motivated, though I can't articulate why. I suppose because it has some connotation related to concepts like "laminar flow" which is structurally similar to the vulgar (your implication not mine) "layer" which connotes

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

rs by over-emphasizing the skeleton. Metaphors abound... maybe a rough allegorical analogy to Russ's original question might be "do all useful/interesting metaphors ultimately ground out in biology?" I think Lakoff and Nunez might suggest so via their "Embodiment of Mind" argum

[FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

I meant to spawn a fresh proto-thread here, sorry. Given that we have been splitting hairs on terminology, I wanted to at least OPEN the topic that has been grazed over and over, and that is the distinction between Model, Metaphor, and Analogy. I specifically mean 1. Mathematical Model

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

Given that we have been splitting hairs on terminology, I wanted to at least OPEN the topic that has been grazed over and over, and that is the distinction between Model, Metaphor, and Analogy. I specifically mean 1. Mathematical Model 2.

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

knowledge representation/manipulation AND collaborative knowledge building which is what I *think* Nick is going on about, and what is implied in our bandying about of "concept/mind mapping". On 6/9/17 2:29 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: OK, we can hold off on beating this horse u

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

DAGs are inadequate, hence my revulsion at the word "level". On June 9, 2017 12:37:39 PM PDT, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: Glen - At the risk of boring the rest of the crowd silly, I'd be interested in hearing more about the kinds of graphs you would like to tal

[FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

Glen - At the risk of boring the rest of the crowd silly, I'd be interested in hearing more about the kinds of graphs you would like to talk about. I agree that Partially Ordered Sets are a (relatively) special case. My interest is in the structure/function duality, more in topological

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

logy so that we could all talk about the same things. But my guess is that would just cause even more hemming and hawing over terms. Regardless of tools, someone needs to run point. If there's a lead author and the other participants can "get behind" that author's objective, then

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

hnson.com <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: Glen - I have found concept mapping tools to be helpful in this context, b

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Densmore *Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2017 6:08 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language No, my troll comment was meant for Nick's OP. Not in an unkind way, but ... On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM,

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* http://www.jtjohnson.com <http://www.jtjohnson.com/> t...@jtjohnson.com <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com> ==== On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.c

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

. Not in an unkind way, but ... On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: Glen - I have found concept mapping tools to be helpful in this context, but usually in live-brainstorming sessions... with one (or more)

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

atim snippets of people's posts ... that might help avoid the bias introduced by the secretary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concept-_and_mind-mapping_software I also don't care that much about the meaning of "complex". So, my only motivation for helping is because y'all tolerate my idiocy.

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Glen - I admit to being over my depth, at least in attention, if not in ability to parse out your dense text, and more to the point, the entire thread(s) which gives me more sympathy with Nick who would like a tool to help organize, neaten up, trim, etc. these very complex ( in the more

Re: [FRIAM] the woman behind the woman

SLC Utah! On 6/6/17 9:32 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote: “He stayed with DEC until retirement, taking a few years sabbatical to work at a startup which sold out big enough to give him room to then singlehandedly build a PASCAL compiler and P-Code interpreter for the pre-DOS IBM PC” Was his

Re: [FRIAM] Get ready for Blockchain

Glen - And now you sound a little like Kurt Vonnegut's satire: Harrison Bergeron /In the year 2081, amendments to the Constitution dictate that all Americans are fully equal and not allowed to be smarter, better-looking, or more

Re: [FRIAM] the woman behind the woman

I wish I had a copy of LANL's first "home" page... modeled vaguely on TBLs page of which www.lanl.gov and xxx.lanl.gov showed up around #50 in his links out at that time. It looked a lot like this. The wayback machine seems only able to cough up things back to a year or two later after I'd

Re: [FRIAM] the woman behind the woman

%20%28Stephen%20Levy%29/part1/chapter5.html> evolve without a shared environment? -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 10:59 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Sub

Re: [FRIAM] the woman behind the woman

hey know what a lawn is, or what the gesture of fist-shaking means! On 6/5/17 10:59 AM, glen ☣ wrote: On 06/05/2017 09:58 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: Most probably don't even know what a computer lab is anymore, that was our generation(s)'s thing! Much less use email. If you want to subvert the

Re: [FRIAM] the woman behind the woman

Today young people needn't leave their books and classrooms for the computer lab, they can simply shift from playing video games and chatting on social media and watching "stupid trick" youtube videos to programming/hacking on their own computer/internet. Well many of them anyway. Most

Re: [FRIAM] the woman behind the woman

Marcus sed: I wonder what life was like as a working programmer at IBM in those days. I assume it was depressingly regimented and the real hackers who could take something like this on were at the ivy league schools? I've a friend in his late 70s who was a bit in that froth... he

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Glen - I think the sophistry around the defn of "model" is important, but a distraction from this conversation. (I've got a few publications that target it almost directly if anyone cares.) Yes, it was an aside, but I think an important one to help Nick follow/focus with us. As Russ and

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Minor edit to my recent post: This is the kind of richness I trust you to always add to the conversation... a different (but similarly useful) splitting of hairs about languagefrom that which Glen often provides us. On 5/29/17 4:18 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: NST - This is the kind

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

NST - This is the kind of richness I trust you to always add to the conversation... a different (but similarly useful) splitting of hairs about language. I realize that your broader use of the term "model" is fundamental and correct, and that the short-cut use of "model" for "mathematical

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Russ - I think your message got lost in the "uncanny valley"... the conversation has been so rich that this contribution (by the instigating author of the thread) did get lost to it's relative obviousness. I know *I* read through it and nodded my head but instead felt compelled to respond

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

I find that an astute (yet obvious in retrospect) observation. This suggests "consciousness" or "intelligence" or "wisdom", no?? On 5/28/17 12:38 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: “As you get systems of coupled complex systems that are all dissipating gradients that are generated by the other and

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

SG I think of this particular exercise as a deliberate sampling/searching of the infinite (or staggeringly large) phase space of a system as you described it earlier. Since you invoke "random systems along with random models", I think I therefore mean my System to be a system of systems

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

SG - Better answers I think. Is it time to spawn a new thread that addresses the (I think) closely related questions of "what is information?" and what might be complex systems which are not biological life? My leanings come from the ALife movement to simply think of any non-biological

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Ruminations from the M.I. S. WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

You all be glad to know that I have been in New England for the last three days and have yet to see the sun. The green is overpowering. My father, who emigrated to the west from KY after WWII referred to this as "so green, it hurts your eyes!" Apparently, they had a record-breakingly warm

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Frank - That is a sweet thing to share with us. I enjoyed the implications of it when I first noticed it rendered as a symbol vague or ambiguous (intentionally or not) as it is. I'm sure hearing it blurted out by a machine voice just adds another level of fun for me. I helps that he

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

r.org/717d/bc6f72b99e7bc13a971ccf8bce4d5b4db35e.pdf - Sieve On 5/25/17 9:54 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Nick- Just to be contrarian, I have to ask how much the heat, humidity and mosquito-flux of MA "shaped" the mood of your response? I would still be tempted to suggest that those factors "informed&

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

hem... Just sayin' - Steve On 5/25/17 9:50 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Nick - I'm sorry to break into your travel plans/recovery with my (ab)use of language. Unfortunately I do not remember any such admonishment in the past but am happy to take it in the moment. I can tell that this is one

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

hysics; so sure, they're mysterious... but how are they > complex in the way we're using the term, here?) > > But I'm more interested in well-defined concepts of agents than I im in well-defined concepts of complex systems. So, what type of agents are we talking about? Kauffm

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

rily swap one vague concept for another. Just because "interesting", "life", and "complexity" are all vague doesn't mean they're analogs. We need Russ to clarify his question before we'll have anything useful to say about it. [†] Including this "gem" by Kauff

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

I just looked up "Topological Insulator" (thanks Carl) and was blown away (once again) about things discovered/developed during my professional career that I had not heard of before but find relevant/fascinating to some of my work. I wonder if the boys (and girls?) of the Enlightenment felt

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

ystems exhibit proto-life-like properties by definition. Your exclusion of systems arising from biological (explicitely alive) systems seems to be trying to niggle at the root of "what is life"? On 5/25/17 5:59 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: Russ - I *think* I know what you are getting

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

tions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocatalytic_set I feel like my maunderings here are vaguely circular when concatenated with your own but I hope someone more incisive than I takes an interest in this discussion and tightens these ideas up a little. - Steve On 5/24/17 10:25 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

"Complex Systems" being a somewhat fuzzy concept, this is hard/easy to answer. Any physical system comprised of large numbers of similar or identical elements which interact and yield non-linear collective behaviour seems like a good enough definition for your purposes. Sand dune formation

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

I KNOW! That was such a compelling feeling... The robot's *apparent* long-suffering patience added to its anthropomorphic features in making me want to imagine it to have more "humanity" than it possibly could. Taking the hockey stick away from his tormentor or giving him a good smackdown

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Bookstore Sale

Nick - Thanks for the left-handed invitation to Fridays with FriAm and the St. John's bookstore sale! If I were to be in town and were not in the final throes of packing up the last of what is shaping up to be nearly 6 cords of books (6x6x12) I would be tempted. I believe the relevant

Re: [FRIAM] Harvard

Gary - I went to a "Timber College" (Northern AZ) but the same holds for me... they could barely muster a BS program for Physics and I had to supplement my curiosity with graduate Math/Chemistry/Enginering courses while pursuing the Physics on my own and under the tutelage of my undergrad

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

On 5/6/17 10:52 AM, Joe Spinden wrote: The talk of who went to what school seems beside the point. The benefits of Pre-K seem indisputable to me.. As do the benefits of reduced sugar consumption. For those with limited access to the basics of modern education, I think Pre-K is a great

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

Marcus - I personally am a fan of "late binding" in natural language. If I defer it too late, it can get me in trouble... Trump got a lot of slack from me along the way because of this. I can't tell if "Trump is clever to observe that people ... " or his pattern matching skills lead him to

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

Glen - Is this your version of the Serenity Prayer? If so, it is a nicely novel one! I feel *measureably* (if only fractionally) smarter when I manage to (mostly) follow many of the deeply thoughtful discussions here... your's and Marcus' most most immediately. I could easily list a

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

Glen/Marcus - As usual, I am enjoying watching your semantic and conceptual fencing match here. The flash of parry, riposte, counter-riposte can be blinding but engaging. The content, when I feel I have parsed it down all the way is usually enlightening and informative. Rather than try

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

Glen - I know what you are saying here is intended to be more pointed, but doesn't it come down to the simple definition of rhetoric? Persuasive speech (including writing, posturing, gesturing in public) is intended to *persuade* and if one is effective in their rhetoric (persuasion), then

Re: [FRIAM] The Onion

Pretty good sendup of both ends of a spectrum... On 5/2/17 11:41 AM, glen ☣ wrote: Trump Voter Feels Betrayed By President After Reading 800 Pages Of Queer Feminist Theory https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/859437833945194500 I thought this might entertain both camps.

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax

Perhaps it is elitist to even be questioning any of this? If you have the time/energy/resources to worry about the impact of sugary drinks on the general population, that might be elitist, no matter how you land/vote on the topic? Here is an interesting article on the question of elitism

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax

I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall (somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without the tax on the Reservation from a drive-through window? Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the *only* reliable source of sugar is (as

Re: [FRIAM] bah!

< What makes you think the "Whitelash" contingent won't be early adopters (too)? > I hope they will. Give them the ability to participate in a more sophisticated economy. I would like to think (as I think you imply) that a more sophisticated "economy" or "ecology" or ??? would resolve the

Re: [FRIAM] bah!

I am visiting my daughter and her partner in Denver right now who are fitness/nutrition enthusiasts. They are very big into Ketosis-triggering diets for brain-healing, obesity reduction and in some cases even Diabetes relief. We talked hours on it last night. Fascinating. I'm not quite

Re: [FRIAM] bah!

elligence, and biotech that can change the balance of power in fundamental ways. One might argue it has already happened, and the latest whitelash was just the last gasp of an obsolete part of our civilization. That works for me. Let's go. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-bou

Re: [FRIAM] bah!

We don't need a room. We have the References header: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html >8^D Well, it was more a tongue-in-cheek reference to "you two are having too much fun!" than "you need some privacy for this". I wonder if it's coherent to ask this question? As we've seen in "the

Re: [FRIAM] bah!

Steve writes: "Who are we becoming?" In spite of the Steve Bannon's of the world, whatever the hell we want. Marcus I have always operated on this tenet myself, but have observed others seeming to fail at that task. Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" and many other books on propoganda and

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax

On 4/26/17 10:00 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: Could we get back to Tom's OP? I for one am a "no" vote for exactly Tom's reasons. I can't help you with the vote. While I'm a county resident, I am not a city resident for just such reasons. If I did have a dog in this particular fight, I would

Re: [FRIAM] bah!

Glen/Marcus - Get a room! (and finish writing that post-CyberPunk novel you just outlined the tech concept for)! Seriously... When I first started reading proto-cyberpunk (PK Dick, John Brunner, et al) and then the more familiar works of Sterling/Gibson/Cadigan/Stephenson, et alia, I

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax

t from the "best of all possible world"... It's more like a rejection of a stable landscape. There are no optima ... or perhaps all optima are local (in time, space, and sub-graph)? On 04/25/2017 03:22 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Will we have something like a thermal i

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax

Steve wrote: "...And as much as I like my year round bounty of fresh fruits and veggies imported from around the world (with gawd knows how much inefficiency and product waste/spoilage)" George Duncan and I were in Sri Lanka in January. We stopped at a highway produce stand in the interior

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax

Gil- For what it is worth, I recommend that you buy local honey from a local beekeeper, probably off the books, not subject to sugar (or any other kind of) tax. It will be much healthier for you (the local pollens help with allergies, etc.) and will support a local economy well beyond the

Re: [FRIAM] How I made my own VPN server in 15 minutes | TechCrunch

Marcus - "Simulating a sequential process with multiple parallel processes is hard." The Donald does it all the time. You just have to relax the coherency requirement. Well said. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

[FRIAM] the arc of socioeconomics, personal and public: was VPN server

Glen - Walking back up a few branches, Vladimyr made a comment about (I think) flocking, mob rules, tribalism, etc. My response was that the _essentialist_ concepts he (many of us, actually) would _like_ to see governing people's behavior don't really exist. What does exist is the trace, the

Re: [FRIAM] How I made my own VPN server in 15 minutes | TechCrunch

Glen - I've been following (loosely) this thread and find it fascinating. On 4/13/17 10:56 AM, glen ☣ wrote: On 04/13/2017 09:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: If you posit there does exist this humanity as distinct from the organization (but this not clear to me in general), then it is

Re: [FRIAM] How I made my own VPN server in 15 minutes | TechCrunch

Unfortunately I agree. I was aware of this AS "thoughtless prey" after I got snookered into helping Ronald Reagan displace Jimmy Carter for what turned out to be *all the wrong reasons*... It was a painful but good lesson. I was a mere 22 at the time. I could have known better, but I

Re: [FRIAM] How I made my own VPN server in 15 minutes | TechCrunch

Glen writes: < It's pretty exciting/terrifying to imagine "data scientists" being involved in whether or not Trump will remain president ... > As much as I like to see O'Reilly suffer, it is annoying how advertisers turn to social media consultants (and data science) to quantify the anger

Re: [FRIAM] How I made my own VPN server in 15 minutes | TechCrunch

Glen - Heh, you say "conspiracy theory" like it's a bad thing. 8^) I've a friend with impeccable timing who can say: "is it a conspiracy theory?" . "or a good business plan?" At first I didn't fully appreciate the duality... certainly "a good

Re: [FRIAM] Dumb Experiment

Marcus - I have been using NMSurf/CNSP for about 5 years but at a lower level of service. I get most of what I need from them with their 5-10Mbps. They do have frequent but short interruptions in service which might be ideosyncratic to my context, but might reflect the vagaries of trying to

Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Marcus wrote: *Roger writes:* ** *“*I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?” Imagine you work in team made of up of unmotivated, uninterested or untalented individuals. Assume it is impossible to fire or move them out of the

Re: [FRIAM] Electrician needed!

Gil- I recommend the low-tech alternative to a garbage disposal of composting kitchen waste... no electrician needed! - Steve On 3/20/17 12:50 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: In the long list of comically awkward issues of my recent rebuild of a bathroom and kitchen the orginal electrical

Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Roger - Bravo! /"When life gives you lemmngs, scrum"/ Some of your one-liners are better than the great Yogi's - Steve On 3/19/17 11:36 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: I dunno, you think there's a connection between diversity/intersectionality and agile design? They always harp on hearing

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Glen - On 3/16/17 10:18 AM, glen ☣ wrote: But I'd like to toss some words at your idea of coherence. First Marcus' distinction would play a role. Polymaths, as long as they're on board with a specific context, look exactly like specialists. Generalists would have fewer specific domains

[FRIAM] Stock Market

I know this is pretty general or vague, and a redux of something I already asked, but is there any collective wisdom in this crowd about the soaring stock-market as *apparently* boosted by Trump's ascendancy? It looks (naively) to me as if the portion of the market that is climbing fastest is

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

candidate) in both syntax and semantics would (I think) heavily favor the polymath. On 03/15/2017 05:14 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: I'm sure I'm dragging the topic (yet) further astray here... It seems like the underlying pattern is sort of a dynamic balance in an abstract system space. Firstl

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

I'm sure I'm dragging the topic (yet) further astray here... It seems like the underlying pattern is sort of a dynamic balance in an abstract system space. Firstly, I appreciate Glen's acute description of corporations... it IS worth noting that they always exist within the charter of a

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Drinking Liberally

My (former) sister-in-law was a DNC organizer extra-ordinaire and when I was in Berkeley (05, 06) she came out to do a dozen things including showing up for a local Drinking Liberally meetup. They happened to pick my favorite "biker bar" in SFo... "Zeitgeist" which catered equally to gnarly

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

As a one-time hiring manager at LANL, this was the bane of my existence... the HR folks, bless their wrinkled little hearts, would do this to me and to potential candidates. I'd get wind of a potential candidate through the "who you know, not what you know" network and when I looked for

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