Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 23 Apr 2003 10:21:31 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > It already is. That's what I'm not understanding about your problem. Good that it works now. I guess the error message for these Internal Error 500 that I got may be found in error_log on the server. Ok, now that we have the new de

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "MG" == Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MG> Anyway, please either make DirectoryIndex in the apache MG> configuration override-able, so that we may change the index.php MG> vus index.html order in .htaccess (preferable), or change this MG> order explicetely in http.conf. It alr

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 23 Apr 2003 09:57:26 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > > "MG" == Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > MG> Please uncomment the DirectoryIndex in .htaccess on the server for > MG> a short time (because we don't want the site to be non accessible) > MG> and tell us why apach

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "MG" == Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MG> Please uncomment the DirectoryIndex in .htaccess on the server for MG> a short time (because we don't want the site to be non accessible) MG> and tell us why apache throws Internal Error 500, it should MG> not. Umm, it doesn't? I rea

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 21 Apr 2003 04:00:49 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > > It seems that including DirectoryIndex line in .htaccess gives Internal > Error 500 on fvwm.org (only). This line also somehow makes all php (even > if explicitly specified) to throw error 500 too. It is hard to know what > happens without

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 15:48:46 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Perfect. I see no more reason to delay going online. The > remaining things are only cosmetic and can be done later. > > Ah, well, there is one more thing: The logo competition schedule > has to be updated. I'll do that. It w

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 03:13:04PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On 23 Apr 2003 at 14:58:57 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > Yes, I have noticed this as well, but I am not sure why it > > > is like this. I will have a look ... > > > > Now it has become even wider, about 5:2. Are you

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 14:58:57 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > Yes, I have noticed this as well, but I am not sure why it > > is like this. I will have a look ... > > Now it has become even wider, about 5:2. Are you tuning it in the > right direction? ;-) I found the bug. Should be fixed

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 01:50:09PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On 23 Apr 2003 at 13:33:56 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > - The pager is now wider than before (mozilla 1.2.1). The pages > >do not have 4:3 ratio anymore. It looks more like 2:1 (see > >attached picture). >

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 13:33:56 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > - The pager is now wider than before (mozilla 1.2.1). The pages >do not have 4:3 ratio anymore. It looks more like 2:1 (see >attached picture). Yes, I have noticed this as well, but I am not sure why it is like this. I

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 01:09:29PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On 23 Apr 2003 at 11:31:01 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > I think the yellow links were fine. The current blue is too > > similar to the section title. You can not distinguish between > > links, visited links and norma

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 11:31:01 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > I think the yellow links were fine. The current blue is too > similar to the section title. You can not distinguish between > links, visited links and normal titles anymore. I switched back to yellow links. Uwe -- ,_, Uwe P

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:59:40AM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > The actual version uses your bullet and less colors on the > same tone. The link and section colors might be a bit too > dark. I think the yellow links were fine. The current blue is too similar to the section title. You can not distin

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 10:40:31 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Yes, this looks much better, I think. Nicely integrated with the > page title too and also adds the missing spacing above and below > the title. > > The bullet in the Quick Jumps list looks good. May I suggest to > use a differe

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:39:22AM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 23 Apr 2003 00:05:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 04:39:10PM -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:55:47 + > > > Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-23 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 00:39:22 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > Ok, I added the logo that I like much more than the old > one. It matches our FvwmBanner, just nicer. If you want it > in another color, tell me. But I think this is a purpose > of the logo competition. :) I changed the color

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dan Espen
Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 23 Apr 2003 00:05:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 04:39:10PM -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:55:47 + > > > Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 22 Apr 2003 17:0

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 23 Apr 2003 00:05:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 04:39:10PM -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:55:47 + > > Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On 22 Apr 2003 17:08:08 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > > > > ... but cu

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread dominik . vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 04:39:10PM -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:55:47 + > Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 22 Apr 2003 17:08:08 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > > ... but currently we have no logo on the page. This is a must. > > > > But we wil

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dan Espen
Bob Woodside <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:55:47 + > Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 22 Apr 2003 17:08:08 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > > ... but currently we have no logo on the page. This is a must. > > > > But we will have a new logo onl

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Bob Woodside
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:55:47 + Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22 Apr 2003 17:08:08 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > ... but currently we have no logo on the page. This is a must. > > But we will have a new logo only on August 1 accourding to your plan. > I prefer to be w

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 22 Apr 2003 17:08:08 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > ... but currently we have no logo on the page. This is a must. But we will have a new logo only on August 1 accourding to your plan. I prefer to be without a logo for now than with the old fvwm_smaller.gif. I may use the following logo (prob

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 22 Apr 2003 11:21:06 -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:21:49 + > Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > uwp > > > http://www.fvwm.org/index.php?decoration_path=pictures/decorations/window_deco_ice > > migo > Can I please suggest the url to be shorter and more

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Bob Woodside
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:21:49 + Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: uwp > > This a layout suggestion in the style of fvwm vector uwp > > buttons. It shows a possible fvwm window decoration. We may uwp > > add more or less buttons if or use graphical window uwp > > decoration like: uwp >

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 03:01:13PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 22 Apr 2003 16:44:02 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 09:12:14AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > > Dominik Vogt writes: > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 08:38:23AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > > > > Dominik

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 22 Apr 2003 16:44:02 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 09:12:14AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > Dominik Vogt writes: > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 08:38:23AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > > > Dominik Vogt writes: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:02:41PM +0200, Uwe Pross w

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 02:21:49PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 22 Apr 2003 13:43:22 +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > > > > On 21 Apr 2003 at 21:22:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I don't see currently any windows-like decorations, just > > > > cde-like ones. I think that a missin

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Bob Woodside
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:43:22 +0200 Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dv > > I don't get the connection between a "close window" button dv > > and the "change layout" function either. uwp > I put it on the "x" to close the window decoration. To put uwp > it there was thought to be a fancy hidde

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 09:12:14AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > Dominik Vogt writes: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 08:38:23AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > > Dominik Vogt writes: > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:02:41PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > > > > > On 22 Apr 2003 at 12:57:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt w

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 22 Apr 2003 13:43:22 +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > > On 21 Apr 2003 at 21:22:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I don't see currently any windows-like decorations, just > > > cde-like ones. I think that a missing close button is a > > > feature (misfeature) of CDE/MWM, it has nothing to d

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 22 Apr 2003 at 09:12:14 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > I run Mozilla with tabs. I have the title in Mozilla's Titlebar, > in the tab, on the page above the window and on the page in the > simulated title bar. > > I think its a little bit "over titled". I will make a layout suggestion o

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 22 Apr 2003 at 09:07:51 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > Speaking of multiple windows on a page, I just noticed that > the pager makes it look like every page has 2 windows on it. This can be changed. BTW: The pager on the web can only look like a pager on fvwm. The behaviour can be

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dan Espen
Dominik Vogt writes: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 08:38:23AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > Dominik Vogt writes: > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:02:41PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > > > > On 22 Apr 2003 at 12:57:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > How about eliminating the title on the background? > > It d

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dan Espen
Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi there, > > On 22 Apr 2003 at 08:38:23 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > > The Title on the background seems redundant with a similar title > > so close to it in the window titlebar. > > > > How about eliminating the title on the background? > > It doesn't fit

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 08:38:23AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > Dominik Vogt writes: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:02:41PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > > > On 22 Apr 2003 at 12:57:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > > > Now the space between the page title and has shrunk to only about > > > > half

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 22 Apr 2003 at 08:38:23 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > The Title on the background seems redundant with a similar title > so close to it in the window titlebar. > > How about eliminating the title on the background? > It doesn't fit into the desktop metaphor. That's right, but a page sh

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dan Espen
Dominik Vogt writes: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:02:41PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > > On 22 Apr 2003 at 12:57:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > Now the space between the page title and has shrunk to only about > > > half a line (mozilla 1.2.1, Debian 3.0). See attachment. > > > > The shot

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 22 Apr 2003 at 13:31:43 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > By the way, I suggest to reshuffle the links on the front page > like this: > ... This can be done. It is not that fast to make since you want to mix internal and external links. I have got a solution in mind but it is a bit work

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 22 Apr 2003 at 13:14:12 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Before the last change, there was about three times as much space > above and below the page title. That looked much better. The remaining space is wanted to separate the different desktops. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 21 Apr 2003 at 21:22:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't see currently any windows-like decorations, just > > cde-like ones. I think that a missing close button is a > > feature (misfeature) of CDE/MWM, it has nothing to do > > with our window manager that is configurable

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:06:09PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > > I think it is good to have one "item" icon for the main page and this > > page. It will be loaded only once and will be cached for other pages. > > I will try to find a nice "item" icon. > > The icons I used were just suggestions. I ex

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:02:41PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On 22 Apr 2003 at 12:57:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > Now the space between the page title and has shrunk to only about > > half a line (mozilla 1.2.1, Debian 3.0). See attachment. > > The shot looks alright to me.

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 22 Apr 2003 at 03:06:53 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 21 Apr 2003 21:55:48 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Some more bugs/typos on the pages: > > > > - The mailing list desk in the pager is labeled "Mailing Lis" > >Maybe the 't' is just out of the visible area. >

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 22 Apr 2003 at 12:57:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Now the space between the page title and has shrunk to only about > half a line (mozilla 1.2.1, Debian 3.0). See attachment. The shot looks alright to me. Could you send a larger shot to make to problem clearer? I use mozilla 1.2

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 12:43:57PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On 21 Apr 2003 at 17:38:13 -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: > > > Grrr! Your [Mozilla 1.0] screen shot shows the same > > browser bug that Marcus Lundblad reported in Netscape > > 6. Interestingly, this worked fine in Netscape

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there, On 21 Apr 2003 at 17:38:13 -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: > Grrr! Your [Mozilla 1.0] screen shot shows the same > browser bug that Marcus Lundblad reported in Netscape > 6. Interestingly, this worked fine in Netscape 4.7, and is > fixed again in Netscape 7 (and as he reports, in Mozilla >

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-22 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 03:06:53AM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 21 Apr 2003 21:55:48 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > - On the "Documentation" page there are some small pictures > >standing for the subsections. The "man pages" picture > > I think this sentense is not complete. I d

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 21 Apr 2003 21:55:48 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Some more bugs/typos on the pages: > > - The mailing list desk in the pager is labeled "Mailing Lis" >Maybe the 't' is just out of the visible area. It is not me, but I think it is stripped to 11 chars on purpose. > - The script

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread Bob Woodside
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:22:32 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've attached a screen shot that shows grey bars between the > window border and the title (same with the pager). And there are > thick black bars between the desks of the pager. Not sure if > they are there on purpose, but I think at

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread dominik . vogt
Some more bugs/typos on the pages: - The mailing list desk in the pager is labeled "Mailing Lis" Maybe the 't' is just out of the visible area. - The script that generated the page from the AUTHORS file ate up some of the whitespace , e.g. "emulation of" became "emulationof". Probably

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread dominik . vogt
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:13:34PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 21 Apr 2003 11:47:44 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 04:00:23PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > > > All pages seem to be converted. The new design is pretty usable now > > > although it does not

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread Marcus Lundblad
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > All pages seem to be converted. The new design is pretty usable now > although it does not have yet all planned extra features. > > Please test it at http://fvwm.org/index.php > > I think we may make it the default today. > > The old pages may st

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread Dan Espen
Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 21 Apr 2003 11:47:44 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 04:00:23PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > > I don't really see any of these as show stoppers. What others think? It looks like a great improvement to me. --

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 21 Apr 2003 11:47:44 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 04:00:23PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > > All pages seem to be converted. The new design is pretty usable now > > although it does not have yet all planned extra features. > > > > Please test it at http://fvwm

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-21 Thread dominik . vogt
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 04:00:23PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > All pages seem to be converted. The new design is pretty usable now > although it does not have yet all planned extra features. > > Please test it at http://fvwm.org/index.php > > I think we may make it the default today. > > Th

Re: Switching to the new web design

2003-04-20 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
It seems that including DirectoryIndex line in .htaccess gives Internal Error 500 on fvwm.org (only). This line also somehow makes all php (even if explicitly specified) to throw error 500 too. It is hard to know what happens without seeing error_log. Jason, can you please make DirectoryIndex over

Switching to the new web design

2003-04-20 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
All pages seem to be converted. The new design is pretty usable now although it does not have yet all planned extra features. Please test it at http://fvwm.org/index.php I think we may make it the default today. The old pages may still be here, but they should be removed in some near future afte