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Howdy, On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 18:03 -0600, James E. Therrault wrote: > Ralph wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 08:39 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > >>On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Ralph wrote: > >> > >> > >>>There are Intel documents describing the architecture, but they are > >>>pdfs and I dis

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On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: > > Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM, James E. Therrault >> wrote: >> >>>Dan wrote: >>> >>> At 10:47 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM

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On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:02 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: > The changeover occurred two or three years ago. Here's an > interesting link: Three- and six-core PPC chips are planned, or are in production, by IBM, and others. Remember, Apple recently bought-out a foundryless semi house which

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Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM, James E. Therrault > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Dan wrote: >> >> >>>At 10:47 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Dec 4,

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Dan wrote: > >> >> Which brings me back to my believe that Apple should do an open Mac >> OS X, > > > That's an underpants gnome business plan > > 1) Offer Open Mac OS X > 2) ? > 3) Profit!

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM, James E. Therrault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dan wrote: > >> At 10:47 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> >>>On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

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Wow, u just hit the nail on the head...read my mind. Joey. __ Sent from Joey's iPhone 3G 2.1 on AT&T's all-new wireless network. Visit www.apple.com/iphone for more information. Apple & AT&T - Raising the Bar. On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:03 PM, "J

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Ralph wrote: > On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 08:39 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >>On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Ralph wrote: >> >> >>>There are Intel documents describing the architecture, but they are >>>pdfs and I dislike pointing to proprietary format files. >> >>So what problem do you have with PDF's,

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- Original Message > From: Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 4:22:51 PM > Subject: Re: Apple & Psystar Come To A Settlement! > > > On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 08:39 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: >

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Howdy, > There is a better explanation. Dell won't answer the question, but I > have seen other analysts say that Dell pays Microsoft a license fee for > every one of the Linux machines sold. Their agreement is that they pay

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On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 08:39 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > There are Intel documents describing the architecture, but they are > > pdfs and I dislike pointing to proprietary format files. > > So what problem do you have with PDF's, they're an open

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On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Ralph wrote: > There are Intel documents describing the architecture, but they are > pdfs and I dislike pointing to proprietary format files. So what problem do you have with PDF's, they're an open, public format. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of

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On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Ralph wrote: > There is a better explanation. Dell won't answer the question, but I > have seen other analysts say that Dell pays Microsoft a license fee > for > every one of the Linux machines sold. Their agreement is that they > pay > the license fee for every

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Howdy, There is a better explanation. Dell won't answer the question, but I have seen other analysts say that Dell pays Microsoft a license fee for every one of the Linux machines sold. Their agreement is that they pay the license fee for every computer shipped. I have seen similar reports fr

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Howdy, Most intel processors are Core 2 architecture these days. But, the Atom is very different. It executes the same instruction set and is compatible enough for OSX. It was brought to us by the Intel team in Austin that designed the P4 and suffers from a deep pipeline, just like the P4. It

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On Dec 6, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > Does that include glassware featuring the latest super hero movie art > and a set of steak knives? > > Hey, just asking here! :) It includes a warranty for freedom from software defects, which is more than Micro$shaft will give you

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:23 PM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Perhaps zero cost for the hardware, but IBM will charge you one hundred thousand dollars PER MONTH, or more, for the software license. >>> >>> >>> Even if I don

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On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: >>> Perhaps zero cost for the hardware, but IBM will charge you one >>> hundred thousand dollars PER MONTH, or more, for the software >>> license. >> >> >> Even if I don't give it a line to call home? ;-) >> > > You only have to pay that if you

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 6:07 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: > > I have worked with IBM as a contractor and generally this company > was a > large inflexible monolith where the term "innovation" was virtually a > non entity. For the manufacturing, integration and operations arms of the company, ye

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At 8:37 AM -0500 12/5/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 12/4/08, Dan wrote: >>As for your clone argument... pt. The clone situation failed >>because they offered machines that had the same performance and >>were otherwise often better than Apple's. > >I don't understand what you're saying.

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On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:25 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 1:16 AM, PeterH wrote: > >> Perhaps zero cost for the hardware, but IBM will charge you one >> hundred thousand dollars PER MONTH, or more, for the software >> license. > > I thought IBM was pushing Linux now? > I thought

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Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:16 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Perhaps zero cost for the hardware, but IBM will charge you one >> hundred thousand dollars PER MONTH, or more, for the software license. > > > Even if I don't give it a line to call home? ;-)

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:58 PM, James E. Therrault > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> lampbay wrote: >>> Running any form of Windows or Microsoft software on my Mac is not >>> the issue - not because I dislike MS software, but beca

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:16 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >>> IBM has targeted Power toward the high-end server and >>> supersupercomputer markets. >>> >> >> >> Cool, I can get one by trash picking in 10 years! LOL :) > >

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> The competition is actually a weird combination of hardware and OS. I love the fact that Dell's Linux packages are the same price as their Windows packages. Because the major cost is in the hardware not the OEM OS installed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received

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As long as Apple remains a company committed to forcing users to buy their computer hardware to run their computer software, they will always be a second rate company committed solely to the profit motive and greed. But, as the future of computing is multi-platform - any desktop or lapto

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:58 PM, James E. Therrault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > lampbay wrote: >> Running any form of Windows or Microsoft software on my Mac is not >> the issue - not because I dislike MS software, but because I prefer >> Apple and Mac software. Plus, I don't want to have any p

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On Dec 5, 2008, at 1:16 AM, PeterH wrote: > Perhaps zero cost for the hardware, but IBM will charge you one > hundred thousand dollars PER MONTH, or more, for the software license. I thought IBM was pushing Linux now? I thought they're a "service" company, not a "software" company? --~--~-

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> IBM has targeted Power toward the high-end server and >> supersupercomputer markets. >> > > > Cool, I can get one by trash picking in 10 years! LOL :) Perhaps zero cost for the hardware, but IBM will charge you one hundred thousan

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM, lampbay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Running any form of Windows or Microsoft software on my Mac is not > the issue - not because I dislike MS software, but because I prefer > Apple and Mac software. Plus, I don't want to have any pesky bugs to > deal with - that

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:21 PM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >> >>> To me, I would have favored an alliance with AMD rather than Intel. >>> Apple could have become part owner etc. >> >> The difference between you and Apple is that you'r

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 10:47 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >>On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> >> Motorola is pretty much out

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lampbay wrote: > Running any form of Windows or Microsoft software on my Mac is not > the issue - not because I dislike MS software, but because I prefer > Apple and Mac software. Plus, I don't want to have any pesky bugs to > deal with - that's the main reason I switched to Apple - afterwa

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:20 PM, lampbay wrote: > >> After all, Microsoft didn't >> crush Apple like it is rumored to have Commodore, Amiga and others. > > It's easy to crush competitors who shoot themselves in the foot wi

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PeterH wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:54 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: > > >>It's a shame that IBM was not up to the task of delivering low power >>Power PC chips for laptops. But this is nothing new, IBM failed to >>adapt >>their (PS 2) OS to the Power PC maintaining compatibility with ear

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lampbay wrote: > Running any form of Windows or Microsoft software on my Mac is not > the issue - not because I dislike MS software, but because I prefer > Apple and Mac software. Plus, I don't want to have any pesky bugs to > deal with - that's the main reason I switched to Apple - afterwa

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Bruce Johnson wrote: > The closest Microsoft ever came to 'crushing' anyone was their > Internet coup against Netscape, and lordy, we're STILL paying for that > decision with every spam we get. > > Well, AOL helped that one, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You re

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:20 PM, lampbay wrote: > After all, Microsoft didn't > crush Apple like it is rumored to have Commodore, Amiga and others. It's easy to crush competitors who shoot themselves in the foot with machine guns first. Commodore squandered the lead they had by thinking it was

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:54 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: > It's a shame that IBM was not up to the task of delivering low power > Power PC chips for laptops. But this is nothing new, IBM failed to > adapt > their (PS 2) OS to the Power PC maintaining compatibility with earlier > versions of the O

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Only those close insiders know how Steve and Bill actually get along - perhaps now as friendly competitors. After all, Microsoft didn't crush Apple like it is rumored to have Commodore, Amiga and others. Or perhaps those companies crumbled from the sheer lack of user support. Perhaps, A

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >> To me, I would have favored an alliance with AMD rather than Intel. >> Apple could have become part owner etc. > > The difference between you and Apple is that you're not privy to > Intel's private development roadmap and skunkworks. If peopl

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Running any form of Windows or Microsoft software on my Mac is not the issue - not because I dislike MS software, but because I prefer Apple and Mac software. Plus, I don't want to have any pesky bugs to deal with - that's the main reason I switched to Apple - afterwards I discovered what

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Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > Apple's competitors are companies like Acer, HP and Dell, NOT MICROSOFT. > > The competition is actually a weird combination of hardware and OS. I love the fact that Dell's Linux packages are the same price as their Windows packages. --~--~-~--~~

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At 10:59 AM -0700 12/4/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: >On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:54 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: > > To me, I would have favored an alliance with AMD rather than Intel. >> Apple could have become part owner etc. > >The difference between you and Apple is that you're not privy to >Intel

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At 10:57 AM -0700 12/4/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >Apple will never make more money letting Dell sell OS X computers than >Apple selling OS X computers. This is the Clone Lesson. This is where we're going to have to disagree forever, I guess. Dell et al are going to sell those computers, no m

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:54 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: > To me, I would have favored an alliance with AMD rather than Intel. > Apple could have become part owner etc. The difference between you and Apple is that you're not privy to Intel's private development roadmap and skunkworks. If people

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Dan wrote: > > Which brings me back to my believe that Apple should do an open Mac > OS X, That's an underpants gnome business plan 1) Offer Open Mac OS X 2) ? 3) Profit! Selling OS'es is only profitable when you're getting manufacturers to install it on the com

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Dan wrote: > At 10:47 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >>On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> >> Motorola is pretty much out of the picture for CPUs and IBM? Haven't >> hear

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Dan wrote: > At 5:01 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >>Motorola is pretty much out of the picture for CPUs and IBM? Haven't >>heard of them making CPUs since the G5 passed on. > > > What Peter said. > > Plus... Don't forget IBM's Power processors. The current batch from

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At 9:42 AM -0700 12/4/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: >On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Dan wrote: > > ...Of course, no decision gets made without a down side. Shortly >> after Intel released Core, AMD leapfrogged over 'em, then the PowerPC >> chips leapfrogged over 'em, then... > >Then Intel leapfrogge

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Dan wrote: >>> IBM is still among the largest semi houses in the world, although a >>> lot of it is "captive". >> >> Embedded industrial drones I presume. > > IBM has targeted Power toward the high-end server and > supersupercomputer markets. PPC is a winner, even

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Dan wrote: > ...Of course, no decision gets made without a down side. Shortly > after Intel released Core, AMD leapfrogged over 'em, then the PowerPC > chips leapfrogged over 'em, then... Then Intel leapfrogged 'em both. [Ars Technica]

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At 10:47 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >> Motorola is pretty much out of the picture for CPUs and IBM? Haven't >>> heard of them making CPUs

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > We may be talking about two different events. I'm talking about the 1997 MacWorld, where Bill's Giant Head appeared on stage to announce Office 98. The sett

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Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> Microsoft paid $150 million for (non-voting) stock (with a "cannot >> sell prior to" date on the transaction) and guaranteed the >> continuation of MS Office for five years because they got caught >> stealing patented Quicktime code for WMP. >> >> That was a cour

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> >> You may want to read up on How Bill gates got his start. > > > Bill Gates got his start by dropping out of Harvard and with his > Harvard room mate, sel

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >> Motorola is pretty much out of the picture for CPUs and IBM? Haven't >> heard of them making CPUs since the G5 passed on. > > Motorola's CPUs are now made by its

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At 5:01 AM -0500 12/4/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >Motorola is pretty much out of the picture for CPUs and IBM? Haven't >heard of them making CPUs since the G5 passed on. What Peter said. Plus... Don't forget IBM's Power processors. The current batch from IBM are very nice, and in ma

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > You may want to read up on How Bill gates got his start. Bill Gates got his start by dropping out of Harvard and with his Harvard room mate, selling a version of Basic for the Altair and other early computers. > And who gave

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > Motorola is pretty much out of the picture for CPUs and IBM? Haven't > heard of them making CPUs since the G5 passed on. Motorola's CPUs are now made by its spin-off, Freescale. IBM is still among the largest semi houses in the worl

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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:37 PM, AIM Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have too many thoughts on this subject to list right now, but I have > a feeling that Apple actually is behind this in a way...I will post > more later, but who else has noticed that since they've hit the scene, > the Mac m

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On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:37 PM, AIM Mail wrote: > I have too many thoughts on this subject to list right now, but I have > a feeling that Apple actually is behind this in a way...I will post > more later, but who else has noticed that since they've hit the scene, > the Mac mini has been all but forg

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I have too many thoughts on this subject to list right now, but I have a feeling that Apple actually is behind this in a way...I will post more later, but who else has noticed that since they've hit the scene, the Mac mini has been all but forgotten?. And BTW, I have a feeling that Apple a

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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A bit of an update... > > > > "here's the big news. Apple alleges that it believes there are > corporations and/or individuals behind Psystar, who may be added as > defen

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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Richard Ramsowr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > WOW > > Just yesterday, I again ask this very question on MacDailyNews... how > could a small start up pay for such legal support when there out of > business? > > Maybe I'm better at law that I through... > > Anyway, go

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> From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of PeterH > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:47 PM > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple & Psystar Come To A Settlement! > > > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Bruce Johnson

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WOW Just yesterday, I again ask this very question on MacDailyNews... how could a small start up pay for such legal support when there out of business? Maybe I'm better at law that I through... Anyway, good for Apple and there legal department... Yours Rick Rick Houston --~--~---

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On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> "here's the big news. Apple alleges that it believes there are >> corporations and/or individuals behind Psystar, who may be added as >> defendants once Apple in discovery finds out who they are. " >> > I've sort of taken this to mean that Psys

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On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Dan wrote: > > A bit of an update... > > > > "here's the big news. Apple alleges that it believes there are > corporations and/or individuals behind Psystar, who may be added as > defendants once Apple in di

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A bit of an update... "here's the big news. Apple alleges that it believes there are corporations and/or individuals behind Psystar, who may be added as defendants once Apple in discovery finds out who they are. " oOo. LoL. LOL.

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Charles Lenington wrote: > PeterH wrote: > >> On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:40 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: >> >> >> Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). >>> Would yo

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On Oct 26, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Doug Burton wrote: > Just my $.02 to add, check out the InsanelyMac.com forum on building > these systems. There is a wealth of info there: > > http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showforum=137 The so-called "InstaHackintosh" project is perhaps the most interes

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On Oct 26, 2008, at 12:34 PM, PeterH wrote: > > > On Oct 26, 2008, at 2:02 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: > >> Yes, please. > > General instructions: > > 1) Your choice of case and PSU (Antec 300 or better, with Antec 500 > "EarthWatts" or better PSU), > > 2) Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L or similar mobo,

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On Oct 26, 2008, at 2:02 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: > Yes, please. General instructions: 1) Your choice of case and PSU (Antec 300 or better, with Antec 500 "EarthWatts" or better PSU), 2) Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L or similar mobo, 3) your choice of nVidia video card (any of the 7000, 8000 a

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PeterH wrote: > On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:40 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: > > >>> Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a >>> couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). >>> >>> >> Would you build one for me? >> > > I replied privately with a sug

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:40 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: >> Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a >> couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). >> > > Would you build one for me? I replied privately with a suggested parts list. Anyone who wants the same

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PeterH wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > >>>The average buyer is not aware, and, more importantly, DOES NOT CARE >>>that MacOS X can be run on an Intel. >>> >> >>Apple does not WANT the public to be aware of this. Thus the >>alternative legal negotiatio

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2008/10/22 Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 10/22/08 3:16 PM, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Broadcast into the ether: > >> And this has to do with Apple engineering how? Pixar has NEVER used >> Macs for render farms. They're used for the creative folk's >> workstations. >> >> Those

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Brian Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This discussion is starting to remind me of the debate around the UMAX S900 > and other Mac clones that were prevented from an authorized upgrade path to > OS X. I think the discussion is as relevant now as it was then. I h

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Sam Macomber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 22, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Bruce Johnson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

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On 10/22/08 3:16 PM, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Broadcast into the ether: > And this has to do with Apple engineering how? Pixar has NEVER used > Macs for render farms. They're used for the creative folk's > workstations. > > Those were a warehouse full of intel machines in racks. I ha

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> eworldsale.com is ALWAYS out-of-stock on those loss-leader items, so >> they are hardly the "exemplar" of cost comparisons. >> Pullz! >> >> And, who, besides Apple, mandates that you HAVE to have an anemic bus >> speed, such as 1

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:30 PM, PeterH wrote: > > > On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >> >>> Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a >>> couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). >> >> >> >> Please point out where I can get a dual Xeon qua

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > Pixar has NEVER used > Macs for render farms. They're used for the creative folk's > workstations. If Jobs' Pixar won't render his features using Macs then why should we buy Macs? Just buy whatever works, period. And, for some of us, that

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >> Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a >> couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). > > > > Please point out where I can get a dual Xeon quad-core system with 2 > gigs of ram, Radeon HD2600 or equiv

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:09 PM, PeterH wrote: > > Did anyone notice that the last several Pixar feature-length > animateds were "rendered" using Intels, and not Apples? And this has to do with Apple engineering how? Pixar has NEVER used Macs for render farms. They're used for the creative folk's

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:58 PM, PeterH wrote: > Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a > couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). Please point out where I can get a dual Xeon quad-core system with 2 gigs of ram, Radeon HD2600 or equivalent video card

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >> The average buyer is not aware, and, more importantly, DOES NOT CARE >> that MacOS X can be run on an Intel. >> > > Apple does not WANT the public to be aware of this. Thus the > alternative legal negotiation of this case. Keep it

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > And it is not as if the high price tag means superior build > quality. Not > wanting to talk ill of Apple but for such a price they shouldn't > have so > many mistakes (hardware wise). Apple's hardware is fully-simulated, to the best of Appl

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This discussion is starting to remind me of the debate around the UMAX S900 and other Mac clones that were prevented from an authorized upgrade path to OS X. I think the discussion is as relevant now as it was then. I have never accepted the logic that Apple must of necessity be the only hardware p

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Hi And it is not as if the high price tag means superior build quality. Not wanting to talk ill of Apple but for such a price they shouldn't have so many mistakes (hardware wise). Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Bruce Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> >>> >>> Can you hear that in the background? That is sound of the Linux >>> flavo

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM, PeterH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The average buyer is not aware, and, more importantly, DOES NOT CARE > that MacOS X can be run on an Intel. > Apple does not WANT the public to be aware of this. Thus the alternative legal negotiation of this case. Keep it on t

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >> >> Can you hear that in the background? That is sound of the Linux >> flavors creeping up to pounce on the market in a major way while Apple >> tries t

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > Keeping this cat from coming out of the bag with the holiday sales > season come up makes a lot of marketing sense. All that ad money > portraying Microsoft as stubborn and entrenched in it's own selfish > policies at the expense of

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > Can you hear that in the background? That is sound of the Linux > flavors creeping up to pounce on the market in a major way while Apple > tries to ignore the need of an Apple OS for the PC. AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 22, 2008, at 1:30 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > >> >> Hi >> >> I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement. >> >> It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone >> though

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > BY DEFINTION an illegal trust MUST involve MORE THAN ONE COMPANY. > > Apple, despite the fevered dreams of the 'iwaanacheepmac11!!' > crowd, a computer company with <10% of the market share, could not > POSSIBLY form an 'illegal monopoly',

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 1:30 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Hi > > I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement. > > It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone > thought, > more of a slap on the wrist and stop building your clones. > > http://yro.slashdo

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My Reply follows quote. On 22/10/2008 01:30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement. > >It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone thought, >more of a slap on the wrist and stop building your clones. > >http://yro.sl

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