Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread john
And this guy was certified? - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:50:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! I actually had an Om instructor who seemed to believe quite

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread Bryan Peterson
:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! And this guy was certified? - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:50:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! I actually had

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread Darren Harris
White stick blunkit was nothing more than a lapdog to his sighted employees. He didn't do anything for disabled people in education if anything he made it more difficult in the long run. As for games and awareness, this is a topic that I've debated so many times before. I do think that it's

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread Trouble
You know its kind of hard to market something to such a small audience and spread out community. There are so many email lists that is ridiculous. Every time you think you got it covered there pops up some one that gets mad and starts another email list the same as what they left. If you don't

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread dark
I'm afraid I don't agree Darren. it is the stated purpose of organizations like the Rnib to generally serve and improve the lot of blind people. When a person newly goes blind, they aren't told go off and find products that are advertized they are introduced to the Rnib, and if they are

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread Trouble
@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! You know its kind of hard to market something to such a small audience and spread out community. There are so many email lists that is ridiculous. Every time you think you got it covered there pops up

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread Trouble
Its called closed minds. At 09:32 AM 11/26/2011, you wrote: I'm afraid I don't agree Darren. it is the stated purpose of organizations like the Rnib to generally serve and improve the lot of blind people. When a person newly goes blind, they aren't told go off and find products that are

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-26 Thread dark
...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! Actually not so many now, but there are also not so many making games either. At 09:39 AM 11/26/2011, you wrote: Honestly, how many developers of games

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Rivard
Because they sent you free copies of their games so that you could critique them in a review, to me, you are not to be positive in your review. You are to be open-mindedly honest. Otherwise, you are inaccurate. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord.

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Jeremy Kaldobsky
I believe Dark is talking about the Audiogames.net game database though. For the database entries that Dark does, there really isn't any place for a review. I think a review section would be pretty cool, but that's a lot of work go add one so I don't think it will happen any time soon.

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
Well I've suggested it to Richard and Sander, sinse I do think it would be cool to get reviews especially because! the descriptions in the database have to be relatively unbiased. I hope it'll come eventually, but unfortunately that decision is up to them. Frankly though, if it were a matter

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Rivard
I have never played any of your games, so I apologize for not knowing. Do you state the audience your games are geared toward in documentation about your games on your site? If not, this might avoid possible disappointment of customers who are looking for more advanced and challenging games.

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Jeremy Kaldobsky
Charles raises the same point I would have made, and one that Dark may also be considering as a reason behind his original post. I have not played your games either, but the first thing I would want to know if whether you openly explain the simplicity of your games in their descriptions.

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
Hi Jeremy. To answer your question, Azabat's aime of providing games for computer novices is not made expressly clear on the site, though it does appearr in their faq and other documentation, see http://www.azabat.co.uk/ to see for yourself. This issue however is compounded by the fact that

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Ian McNamara
Hi i have quite a few of the azabat games and although i find them ok i would agree that for a gamer who is advanced it's probley not advanced inuff for them. I wish more of these flash games like legacy would be made more accessable. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Rivard
of blind people is reprehensibly inexcusable. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Bryan Peterson
list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! This is where getting the word out about what's available come in. On the other hand, if an organization has a closed mind, and they ignore anything that does not fit their? concepts of what

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
Unfortunately Charles you've hit the nale on the head. right from the age of 7 I've tried to point out to the Rnib that not all blind people are eldily, but they've taken small notice. They for example refused to help or even offer suggestions on access to tabletop rp, they claimed that I

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Rivard
Ratings are good as long as the reasons for those ratings are also given. I might see a rating of 2 out of 5, and go elsewhere, not knowing that the rating was given due to the simplistic nature of the game. If a reason for the rating was that it is a good game for beginning computer gamer

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
that does sound true bryan, and though it's not quite as pervasive in the Uk those sorts of opinions are around, - though I was happy when i did the general Q and A session about Hal at the It training charity where my friend works, that they knew very well about several options for screen

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Rivard
Would it be a lot of work to keep the site updated? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: QuentinC quent...@cfardel.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:34 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! Ratings are good as long as the reasons for those ratings are also given. I might see a rating of 2 out of 5, and go elsewhere, not knowing that the rating

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Rivard
11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! Unfortunately Charles you've hit the nale on the head. right from the age of 7 I've tried to point out to the Rnib that not all blind people are eldily, but they've taken small notice. They for example refused to help or even offer suggestions

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Rivard
. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! That's why, to get a little bit off topic here (and for that I

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! So, maybe what you need is proof to back up your claims. Maybe, if enough feedback on what gamers are truly interested in, along with information showing the RNIB that such games and developers do indeed exist, were presented to the RNIB

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
Hi Charlse. Remember here that when your talking abut the Rnib, your talking about a so called charity that, when it was at one point reviewing one of it's own hotels to see if it should remain open, had it's directors stay at the five star delux hotel across the street then close the Rnib

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Darren Harris
sorts of things if not more for less, yeah the list goes on I think. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 25 November 2011 17:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! That's why

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Darren Harris
that, but the evidence speaks for itself. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 25 November 2011 17:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! Unfortunately Charles you've hit the nale on the head

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dark
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! I think the problem is that there's just too many elderly people at the top of these organizations and thus need to be kicked out in order to make way for everybody else because

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread dan cook
darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! I think the problem is that there's just too many elderly people at the top of these organizations and thus need to be kicked out

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Hayden Presley
- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:49 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! The issue is that they?? think that they?? now we?? know what's best for us. Other instances

Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled!

2011-11-25 Thread Bryan Peterson
some sense into him with it. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm appalled! Hi,I usua Lly end up using