ience.
Chris Bartlett
-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Allison Mervis
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:41 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Friday, December 16, 2011 11:58 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hello, Joseph.
I get that all the time aswell.
If someone see that someone had a issue with something then they should
help that person and instead of hitting them over
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
>
>
>> Hi.
>> from reading the message that you were sent Michael,
>> it sounds like that the guys issue is not that he has stopped supporting
>> accessibi
Can I laugh here now? This is getting to be a joke!
Back to gaming while Mike finds some social skills.
At 11:56 PM 12/16/2011, you wrote:
Hey, Allis.
Well first of all when I was in contact with the person who help me
create De Steno Games he was very happy to work with me.
I just asked him o
provide
it, so "handle with care" like it says on fragile packages in the mail.
Ron
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for th
run a
spellcheck over it.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Ian McNamara"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hi, i am the same and i admit it. I use t
on Mervis"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Here's the thing Michael. It's the little things that we do when we write
to other people which set the tone of our messa
ing.
Besides, most people will dismiss universally negative reviews as simply
someone with a grudge anyway.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "michael barnes"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game f
y, ha-haaa!
- Original Message - From: "michael barnes"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Here is the email that I had wrote and send to Mario and then you be
the judge about it.
Hello, Mario.
First how is
I can only judge based on what I've read, as do most people. In case
you haven't seen my other messages, I provided suggestions on how he
might improve the content and overall tone of his messages. As a rehab
counselor with experience in the blindness field, I feel pretty
confident in stating
It wasn't even a week. It was probably a matter of two days or so.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword
Hi, i am the same and i admit it. I use to be a member of an email roleplay
simming group but i ended up having to leave due to the fact i can't spell well
inuff and although i know where punctuation is suppose to go i don't really use
it. That is why in the past on this list i've had problems w
Hi Michael,
Well, as for your message itself I don't really see anything offensive
about it in and of itself, but as others have mentioned I think it is
a case of one message too many.
As I understand it Mario asked you and Bryan to close the topic, and
about a week later you send him this messag
ginal Message -
From: "michael barnes"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hey, Allis.
Well first of all when I was in contact with the person who help me create
De Steno Games he was very happy to work with me
ember 16, 2011 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Nice to meet you mr. Or mrs.
Perfect. We're all on the Same side lets quit bashing each other I get
the feeling from some of the people on this list that they think their
better than everyone else
S
e in Mario's case. If and when
there's something worth reporting he'll make it known.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "Allison Mervis"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:49 PM
ably felt pressured and nobody
likes that feeling. Sometimes it's best to leave well enough alone. After
all it hadn't even been a week.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "michael barnes"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:40
I monitor this list every day and a lot of people own here pick on other people
that they don't even know, I will respectfully agree to disagree, no big deal
:-)
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Joseph,
>
> I don't believe Allison was trying to be lit
Hi Joseph,
I don't believe Allison was trying to be little Miss Perfect, and her
message wasn't bashing Michael in any way, shape, or form. Her message
was well written, explanitory, and offered some well thought out
constructive criticism where Michael's messages could improve.
Constructive criti
If you want to help him show him what to do, and you can't judge competency
because you don't know hi like I do.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> For your information, I do not feel that I am better than any other person on
> this list. However, I hav
Hi.
Your message itself isn't all that bad. It's actually pretty nice in my
opinion. But more than one message like this would get annoying. And I
think he thought the audyssey stuff was an advertisement not the email
services provided by the serotech system access network, which I do
believe
For your information, I do not feel that I am better than any other
person on this list. However, I have significant experience as a
competent blind adult and as an advocate for other blind people. I am
simply trying to help Michael improve his skills both as a self
advocate, and most especiall
Hello, Joseph.
I get that all the time aswell.
If someone see that someone had a issue with something then they should
help that person and instead of hitting them over the head.
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Even though that message in and of itself was not particularly
demanding, I know that's not the first message you've sent to Mario.
That's the type of message that you send a few weeks or even a few
months into the process of making accessibility inroads. Give the poor
man time to implement his
Hey, Allis.
Well first of all when I was in contact with the person who help me
create De Steno Games he was very happy to work with me.
I just asked him once and he was excited to do it.
I was not repeating myself in the message I was just trying to show him
that I know what I am talking about
Nice to meet you mr. Or mrs.
Perfect. We're all on the Same side lets quit bashing each other I get the
feeling from some of the people on this list that they think their better than
everyone else
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> Here's the thing Mic
Here's the thing Michael. It's the little things that we do when we
write to other people which set the tone of our messages. I think you
know that your writing could stand to improve pretty significantly. You
don't use proper punctuation and grammar, you don't structure your
sentences very wel
I have SA to and I don't think you can remove that. I don't like some of other
peoples signature either but I don't threaten them like this guys I just do the
adult thing and over look it. NWA
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 16, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> Hey Michael. think he's tal
Here is the email that I had wrote and send to Mario and then you be
the judge about it.
Hello, Mario.
First how is everything going with you on this Christmas holiday? I am
wondering how the progress is going on the accessibility for the game?
Is there a new version going to be release?
I wou
Hey, Joseph.
Yes that is my right as a american to speek my mind.
After thinking about what I was just a little bit of demanding.
However I totaly agree with you.
But just to show the developer that I would like him to work on the
accessibility of the app I went ahead and gave it a five star.
Ho
You were not demanding and you do have a right to rank down as long as you are
fair, I probably would have given 3 to 4 stars fairly for the access issues.
You just need to be aware of your wording and rate honestly and fairly.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 16, 2011, at 10:11 PM, michael barnes w
tions off as an annoyance.
>
>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "michael barnes"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:34 AM
>> Subject: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
>>
>>
>> Hey, All.
>> I
Hey, I just re submitted my review of the app.
I did give it a five star rating and I am going to apologize to Mario
for my demanding atitude towards him.
Yes I know sometimes it seem that I am demanding but I just was trying to help.
I am sorry for all this problems.
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Email services provided
Well I know someone of you think I was being too demanding and rude but
I was just trying to see if I could be a part of the team to improve the game.
I have shown my email to other people and they agree with me that all I
was trying to do is help.
When I have done what all of you are talking abo
ndency to
>> come off as rude. That's why I didn't respond to his last post on the forum
>> topic because I didn't want to risk eliciting just that sort of response.
>> They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
>> - Original Message ----- From:
chael barnes"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:34 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hey, All.
I wrote Mario a email sharing him some suggestions about the game.
And he wrote a bad response to me.
So I will not support his bad atitude about accessibility fo
llis"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hi.
from reading the message that you were sent Michael,
it sounds like that the guys issue is not that he has stopped supporting
accessibility,
he wants two things, fir
Hi.
from reading the message that you were sent Michael,
it sounds like that the guys issue is not that he has stopped supporting
accessibility,
he wants two things, firstly he wants you to leave him alone about
accessibility, as quite rightly he doesn't want accessibility to take
over game dev
ssion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Sounds more like a public temper tantrum. Then a real review on product.
Try to be mature about reviews and such, because acting like a child
around adults will get you ignor
Sounds more like a public temper tantrum. Then a real review on product.
Try to be mature about reviews and such, because acting like a child
around adults will get you ignored!
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homas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hi Michael,
No offense, but I think the response you got was justified from the
developer's perspective. Its obvious from hi
Michael,
I don't see any bad attitude in his message at all. He's simply
asking you to stop spamming him, and to stop spamming his forum. It's
a very reasonable request, and it has nothing to do with
accessibility. I see no need to demonize him over it.
Dennis Towne
Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.
He even said at first he was exited by the emails i reckon now see what happens
i would say it's good that you are working on getting games more accessable but
i'd say in the future learn from this and send one email to the developer
saying the stuff you feel and explain to them about voice over
m: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hi Bryan,
Right. I do that myself, and it is amazing how many blind people out
there who can't be patient enough f
day, December 16, 2011 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
hi Orin.
I hope you can salvage this situation, sinse it would be a real shame if
an rpg game got lost because of bad communications.
if I had an I os device, I'd gladly talk to the develo
hi Orin.
I hope you can salvage this situation, sinse it would be a real shame if an
rpg game got lost because of bad communications.
if I had an I os device, I'd gladly talk to the developer myself.
Beware the grue!
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Hi Bryan,
Right. I do that myself, and it is amazing how many blind people out
there who can't be patient enough for the developer to do something on
his own schedule, in his own time, and in his own way. Instead they
have to repeatedly nag, nag, nag until the developer just gets
irritated and doe
I must confess that working with develop[ers on access matters is it's own
process.
first, you need to be polite, second you need a clear idea of what access
issues the game has and what needs doing to change it.
For example, in Core exiles at one time the labels showing threat wrating of
sh
It's in Feature Requests.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "Orin"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Out of curiosity
r 16, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hi Michael,
No offense, but I think the response you got was justified from the
developer's perspective. Its obvious from his response that he feels
you were e-mailing him too much over the accessibility t
simmer down first and see what the next
revision of the game contains...
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
That
game
> contains...
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson"
>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list"
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
>
>
>> That's exactly my thou
ay
after day. If he wants to do something he'll do it, but if you
irritate the developer its likely he'll just blow you and your
suggestions off as an annoyance.
> - Original Message -
> From: "michael barnes"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:34
the game contains...
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
That's exactly my thought. Leaving the I've worked with
ll of us are
equally arrogant and demanding.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "Orin"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Okay,
let him do
his job in the meantime.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hi,
ist"
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
>
>
>> It's also possible you just tried to promote yourself in the wrong way...
>> you could've just mentioned them once, and not even specifically
-
> From: "michael barnes"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
>
>
>> Yeah I don't like when developers tells me they are going to make
>> something accessible and they
ess to the game.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "Clement Chou"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
It's also possible yo
I hate to say it Michael, but that isn't likely to improve our position any.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "michael barnes"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for
away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: "Ian McNamara"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
well i won't be playing this game if that's the way he
--- Original Message -
From: "michael barnes"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:34 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hey, All.
I wrote Mario a email sharing him some suggestions about the game.
And he wrote a bad response to me.
So I will not
the samnet thing is an unwanted advertisement for him. that's what he's getting
at.
On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:34 AM, michael barnes wrote:
> Hey, All.
> I wrote Mario a email sharing him some suggestions about the game.
> And he wrote a bad response to me.
> So I will not support his bad atitude ab
Hey Michael. think he's talking about the add that talks about samobile.net as
spam not your email. hope this helps. that's why i don't use my samobile.net
email for emailing lists and things.
On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:34 AM, michael barnes wrote:
> Hey, All.
> I wrote Mario a email sharing him so
y, December 16, 2011 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hey, Hayden.
I wrote him and share with him how I worked with another developer on
making apps accessible.
I also told him I would love to help him to make the game accessible and
would like it if
Yeah I don't like when developers tells me they are going to make
something accessible and they don't won't to hear from the people who
is requesting it.
I gave the app a very bad rating and review on the app store.
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Hey, Hayden.
I wrote him and share with him how I worked with another developer on
making apps accessible.
I also told him I would love to help him to make the game accessible
and would like it if he could be able to give me a call so he could
hear the parts where the game could be made accessi
well i won't be playing this game if that's the way he's going to be.
Ian McNamara
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Subject: [Audyssey] Silversword is not the game for the blind.
Hey, All.
I wrote Mario a email sharing him some suggestions about the game.
And he wrote a bad response to me.
So I will not support his bad atitude about accessibility for blind and
low vision people.
Here is the message he sent me.
Hi
Hey, All.
I wrote Mario a email sharing him some suggestions about the game.
And he wrote a bad response to me.
So I will not support his bad atitude about accessibility for blind and
low vision people.
Here is the message he sent me.
Hi Michael,
at first it was nice. Then it was constructive
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