Smiles, agreeing with, Shawn, as the subject what to do.
A decade old question with Mister North.
Centerizing Blind games under a hud, in much the way Amazon, does with
stores to get certain items.
Or much like our own blind community of Blind Mice Mart Dot Com.
In which, products and be
Well, judging from the Chillingham review, the female voiceover sounds
darn right miserable to the point she didn't really want to do it. The
male voiceover didn't sound too bad. In Grizzly Gulch however, both
voiceovers sounded like they were having fun and were really keen on
doing it. Just
You know, I always felt the same way. And none of the characters in
Chillingham were really memorable, let alone worth making fun of. At least
in Grizzly Gulch you could laugh at the Marshall's gravelly voice or Cecil
whistling on every S. In Chillingham the only character you could really
Oh man I would love to hear that lol!
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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:47 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
You know, I
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On June 24, 2013 11:05:24 AM Sky Mundell s...@shaw.ca wrote:
Hello Thomas, I checked the sight and it is indeed shut down. Onnistly I
can't blame you guys. They are really really out of date, in my opinion
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I only wish I had it. LOL.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
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From: Darren Duff
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:44 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to
I am not about to read 40 messages, so I will just comment on this first one.
I agree with Thomas on his points. While I don't play many audio games mainly
because I don't care for the content when I have other games on my ps2/ps3 that
I play more, I see it all the time with this community
Of course Tom. 3 working days should be enough, but the more responsible you
are, more clients you will have. But 6 months? I understand that a developer
invests in software, sounds etc, but it is not likely that one doesn't have
at least a little profit from game developement. So if you want
P.S. When talking about those who offer us their games for free, that's
completely another thing. No responsability of this kind, no possibility of
making a crack, etc.
Best,
Milos Przic
twitter: MilosPrzic
skype: Milosh-hs
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward
I have apologized for what I posted if I misunderstood his meaning. However, I
reacted, perhaps in haste, based on what I read and how it was worded.
As for the possibility of an automated key generation method for Liam, I don't
know for sure, but I would think that it would not be cheap, and
If you are asking if we would pirate, my answer is an absolute No! It is
stealing, which I refuse to do when it comes to software. And, yes, I am
telling the truth. I respect and appreciate the work that these people go
through to produce games for us.
(Sent from my iPhone)
On Jun 23,
I doubt that it will come to that point, but every one that quits producing is
a loss to all of us, and if it is due to a few impatient and childish gamers,
it makes me furious!
It is ture, though, that it should not take months to get a registration key
after you have paid for one. Then
well, bavisoft would have to be put into that category of not coming through
with its customers. Sure,, not with keys but with whole orders as the older
members on this list knows.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
I doubt that it will come to that point,
And, as far as I know, they are no longer in existance.
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote:
well, bavisoft would have to be put into that category of not coming through
with its customers. Sure,, not with keys but with whole orders as
o didn't know that.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
And, as far as I know, they are no longer in existance.
(Sent from my iPhone)
On Jun 24, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote:
well, bavisoft would have to be put into that
Hi all,
Yeah, I don't think it will ever come to us not having any developers
developing accessible audio games simply because there a lot of
developers like Jeremy Kaldobski, Jim Kitchen, among others who do it
for free, and as a result don't have to put up with nearly the crap
Liam or anyone
Hi Brandon,
Definitely. It is for that very reason Bavisoft is no longer around.
Their website is history, and they were forced to shut down because of
their inability to be contacted. So I highly doubt we will ever hear
from them again.
Cheers!
On 6/24/13, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com
Hello Thomas, I checked the sight and it is indeed shut down. Onnistly I
can't blame you guys. They are really really out of date, in my opinion
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:07 AM
To: Gamers
what about others that have the game help the devs with keys etc so
they don't get bogged.
I'd do that for liam and others for nothing.
At 01:15 AM 6/25/2013, you wrote:
I have apologized for what I posted if I misunderstood his
meaning. However, I reacted, perhaps in haste, based on what I
bAvisoft was a unique case they didn't give a sausage about their customers
or anyone else talk about bringing your demise on yourself.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list
Lisa it sounds like it to me their games don't even work on the latest
and greatest I did buy Grizzly Gulch and wanted Chillingham but time
moved on and forgot all about it.
Chris
On 25/06/2013 00:06, Lisa Hayes wrote:
bAvisoft was a unique case they didn't give a sausage about their
Well, this is my personal opinion, but you didn't miss much by not
playing Chillingham. That game really didn't impress me. However,
Grizzly Gulch was fun the first few times I played it. It just lacks
replay value. I can think of about 10 different ways I would have
expanded it myself, content I
Hi Shaun,
Well, its mainly a matter of security. A developer's security is based
on his or her key generator so naturally they want to keep that pretty
close to the vest, and only hand it out to trusted individuals. Plus
every time a developer gets an order a duplicate database of customer
sales
A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by
developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a
registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't
have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3
Hi Charles,
You said it. The answer is those people need to grow up and stop
living in their own zone. Stop with the entitlment attitude or
whatever it is that makes them believe they should get whatever it is
they want when they want it and not a second later. Certain people can
be quite petty
Hi Charles,
Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting
registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the
developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check
orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes,
Your comments, followed by my responses:
Comment:
If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the
developer should be blamed.
Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the
developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more
people felt this way,
Slow your roll, Charles. We obviously have different interpretations of his
second point, but I would guess, given the nature of his entire post, that
he isn't advocating piracy. Rather he's saying that, given people's natural
tendency toward impatience--misguided or not--if they don't get what
I completely agree. Please try to take a step back and look at this
situation with a bit more objectivity. I don't think that 24 hours is
necessarily a reasonable time frame, although with automated systems
such as Draconus uses, I can see why someone would consider 24 hours
to be enough. However,
Quote: If I want money for my product, I have to check
orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get
them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another
developer end quote.
How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get
Maybe they're descended from the Greek gods. LOL. Most of them were, after
all, the very embodiment of petty.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:28 AM
To: Gamers
I couldn't agree more. This is outrageous.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:47 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for
The solution is actually for the community to stop being so petty about it.
I agree with Charles.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Strunk
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:53 PM
To: 'Gamers Discussion
Exactly. There's no other possible interpretation for the way that was
worded.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:18 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re:
Not enough games to play?
that's ridiculous I have over 60 games on my computer
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Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you
supplied. That makes me sad, Brian.
As for yours, Charles, let me try and help.
Quote: If I want money for my product, I have to check
orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get
them to opt
Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
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From: Ryan Strunk
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it
I meant exactly what I said.
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it
Exactly. I know. It'd be almost impossible not to jump to that conclusion
based on the wording he chose.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:13 PM
To: Gamers
That doesn't make sense though. If he's selling something, and he
doesn't get back to his clients within 24 hours, he wouldn't tell
them, it's ok, just go out and crack my software. I don't give a
damn. That's just plain idiotic. I think Ryan is right--I gave an
objective viewpoint earlier in this
The problem is his wording seems to indicate that he would, at least when it
came to other people's products.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:15 PM
To:
No, it doesn't, as he wrote it in the first person. He was referring to
himself as the hypothetical developer.
But again, let's just ask him.
I fully realize I'm contributing to the very problem I'm trying to stop by
hashing and rehashing one silly little sentence someone may or may not have
meant
Well said Charles well said, who'd write games and get shit from people.
Not me. I'd close this list down if i had the power and then no air would
be given to the wingers of the blindness community.,
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
- Original Message -
From: Charles
well I don't mind waiting, especially when people are busy, after all
game dev is not a full time job, but 6 months or more can be a bit steep.
I also need to know that my messages are getting to where ever they
should go what addresses to use, etc.
I tried on twitter but the interface is
we need more automated systems then that is the only answer or have
others that can be trusted sending keys to people sort of like a
cloud based network.
I'd gladly do it as I often have time where I don't do anything at all.
At 05:47 AM 6/24/2013, you wrote:
Your comments, followed by my
The amount of flack that just flew around is absolutely unbelievable.
Yes, on the one point, I can see how it could be taken with the particular
wording used... however, I don't think there's any cause for ripping him one
the way you did, Charles. I'm probably sticking my neck out onto the
Since this topic shows no sign of stopping anyway, I'll just point out
that I added automatic credit card handling to Alter Aeon specifically
so that people could get their credits instantly, without having to
wait on me or anyone else. Now, with that experience under my belt, I
understand why
I aggree lisa.
But you only get shit if you ask for it or give it yourself.
And if you are not able to either close or ask for help.
aprone has help with his stuff now and thats good.
At 10:59 AM 6/24/2013, you wrote:
Well said Charles well said, who'd write games and get shit from
people. Not
Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't
care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact all
the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all
the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work.
bfn
Hello Bryan,
english is not my first language although I study translation and know (or
should have learned till now) the language very well. You got my point and
thank you for thinking rather than jumping without using your brain. I still
don't know what is wrong with my wording? Only that I
You said you would get them to opt for a cracked version. That's why
people were jumping down your throat because it implies you condone piracy.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Milos Przic
Sent: Sunday,
You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, Walmart.com,
etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within a
reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months before
inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be
Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no way obligated to discuss
their personal lives on list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right to
constantly harp on what few developers we have. People keep that sort of
behavior up and the day won't be long in coming when we'll have no
I aggree with both points.
At 12:35 PM 6/24/2013, you wrote:
Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no
way obligated to discuss their personal lives on
list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right
to constantly harp on what few developers we
have. People keep that sort of behavior
Milos half of these people act like they never would do anything
wrong. Lets be real if you pay for a product you exspect to get it in
at least a week. It didnt take them anytime to get my money I am
talking about codes and things that you purchase and download. If it
it is something that is
Hi Milos,
While I do agree that a developer should send out new or replacement
license keys in a timely fassion I have always have believed in the 72
hour rule. That is a customer can expect a replacement key within
three days upon request excluding weekends and holidays. That frees
the developer
Hi Bryan,
Let's hope it never comes to that, and I personally believe it won't
come to that. Saying we will have no developers at all willing to
develop audio games is a bit extreme.
After all, there are a number of audio game developers who for their
own reasons write free accessible games who
Hi Bryan,
Wrong. Apparently I am one of the few people who read Milos message
and didn't take it the way you and Charles have. I generally
understood Milos to mean if he were a developer and didn't get keys
out to a customer within 24 hours those customers would then turn to
piracy to get what
Wow! If this is the case, I really and truly apologize for what I sent to
the list!
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- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent:
Hi Charles,
I think what we have here is a failior to communicate properly. For
the record I didn't take Milos post as advocating piracy in any shape
or form. I understood it to mean if he were not responsible and prompt
at getting keys out to his clients that they themselves would turn to
piracy
Hi Charles,
I should hope so. Upon coming home aafter a day with the wife and kids
and finding my inbox over flowing with this argument I naturally went
and located the message that had everyone up in arms and read it
carefully. My initial read and subsequent reads
found Milos post poorly worded,
You betcha!
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- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take
Hi Desiree,
I completely agree with you. Waiting more than a week for a key
replacement is clearly unreasonable unless of course for some valid
circumstance such as the person is away on vacation or is unable to do
so because of a medical emergency. In such a case allowances should be
made, but
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