On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Stuart Brorson wrote:
Therefore, I was wondering if other folks might be interested in
getting occasional private e-mails from me alerting them to any such
articles. Then, folks who felt moved could respond to the posts.
That way it wouldn't only be me
al davis wrote:
[ ... nice cover crop story, thanks!]
So, for Zuken, the freeware version of Eagle, the freeware
version of Multisim, the student version of Pspice
What is the organic matter being added to the soil?
What are the beneficial insects?
For Eagle I really don't see
On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
Let us be clear on this concept. The EDA market place is in the 4 to 5
billion dollar range per year.
http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/business/showArticle.jhtml?
articleID=175701340
You can do all the gorilla marketing that you want to
This is a chicken and egg problem.
With revenue in the billions the major eda tool companies have far more
resources to keep developing capabilities.
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 10:23 -0700, John Doty wrote:
On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
Let us be clear on this concept. The
On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Steve Meier wrote:
This is a chicken and egg problem.
With revenue in the billions the major eda tool companies have far
more
resources to keep developing capabilities.
Bloat and complexity are expensive for everybody.
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 10:23 -0700,
When Jobs and Wozniak were tinkering in that garage, the dominant
computer hardware was System/370. They were wise not to try to
compete with that.
jobs and woz used a disruptive technology (the integrated circuit) to
compete with the bigger hardware.
And FOSS is disruptive
On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
When Jobs and Wozniak were tinkering in that garage, the dominant
computer hardware was System/370. They were wise not to try to
compete with that.
jobs and woz used a disruptive technology (the integrated
circuit) to
compete with the
John,
Mentor Graphics provides schematic and board level translators
www.mentor.com/products/pcb/pads/translators
Altrium does as well and did about 55 million in sales last year.
https://wiki.altium.com/display/ADOH/Moving+to+Altium+Designer+From
+OrCAD
Steve Meier
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at
These are importers, but you were talking about exporters before. But
yes, there's more support for interoperabilty than I knew about.
On Jan 30, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
Mentor Graphics provides schematic and board level translators
www.mentor.com/products/pcb/pads/translators
What I have been talking about is interoperability.
How users can share projects even though they use different tools.
GEDAs lack of exporting and importing limits the projects that a
consultant can use it for. PCB's lack of exporting the pads ASCII makes
it more difficult for assembly shops to
On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
What I have been talking about is interoperability.
Me too, but we differ on what kind of interoperability is important.
How users can share projects even though they use different tools.
I work with customers who either do their own layouts
Specifically, exporting netlists to just about any other tool
is a radical strength.
That's a *specific* problem, of narrow interest
Where as I WAS! (and will no longer) talking about the general issues of
having to share work with others like open office can with MS office.
Steve Meier
On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
Specifically, exporting netlists to just about any other tool
is a radical strength.
That's a *specific* problem, of narrow interest
Where as I WAS! (and will no longer) talking about the general
issues of
having to share work with
John,
If there exist two tools each that can import from the other then they
can communicate.
If person A can only speak German but can understand French and Germen.
And person B can only speak French but can understand French and German
then they can talk just fine.
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at
GEDA is a Shark in a very small pond.
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 18:32 -0700, John Doty wrote:
On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
Specifically, exporting netlists to just about any other tool
is a radical strength.
That's a *specific* problem, of narrow interest
Where as
Stuart Brorson wrote:
Hello --
I've seen an uptick in interesting industry news and industry blog
postings related to zero-cost as well as open-source EDA software
recently [1]. Here are two examples:
http://www.eeproductcenter.com/embedded/brief/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212902950
On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
If there exist two tools each that can import from the other then they
can communicate.
OK, so part of the problem from your perspective is that the
commercial tools don't support their side of this deal with gEDA. ;-)
GEDA is a Shark in a
On Friday 30 January 2009, Joerg wrote:
What's your take on this? Why does Zuken give the tool away
for free?
A while back, on another mailing list (Free Software Business,
f...@crynwr.com), there was a posting about the concept of
a cover crop in marketing. I will now take the liberty to
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:17:47 -0500, al davis wrote:
because it describes my feeling well...
To me, the trial-, academic-, crippled-, whatsoever-licenses just look
like baits to lure users into vendor lock-in. Give-away now, cash-in
later, when hooked. Just happened last week at my
I don't know about guerilla marketing, but it might help to tell
people about successful gEDA projects. Matt Ettus (http://
www.ettus.com) has apparently built a thriving business around free
hardware designed with gEDA. My friends at MIT and Espace, Inc. are
using his products to upgrade
on-topic plugOur little company, Evil Mad Science LLC (
http://evilmadscience.com/ ) has a similar model-- Most of our products
are open source hardware kits that were designed in gEDA. We're not shy
about it; whenever possible, we point out that the projects were done with
gEDA, and we make the
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 17:34 -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote:
I suspect that interest in both zero-cost *and* true FOSS EDA
stuff will increase as the world economy continues to tank
That would certainly be nice.
FWIW, I've seen folks use various licenses with different degrees of
success for open
On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 15:38 -0500, Windell H. Oskay wrote:
on-topic plugOur little company, Evil Mad Science LLC (
http://evilmadscience.com/ ) has a similar model-- Most of our products
are open source hardware kits that were designed in gEDA. We're not shy
about it; whenever possible, we
Bdale Garbee wrote:
FWIW, I've seen folks use various licenses with different degrees of
success for open hardware projects.
Would you elaborate on the degrees of success you have seen? I'm launching
that kind of business myself.
Kits and TAPR licensed open hardware systems for field
On Friday 30 January 2009, Steve Meier wrote:
The issue isn't, is geda or kicad technologically competitive
tools, the issue is can users move designs back and forth
from the established eda tools and the free tools?
If you answer yes then you reduce the risk of the users if
you answer no
Hello --
I've seen an uptick in interesting industry news and industry blog
postings related to zero-cost as well as open-source EDA software
recently [1]. Here are two examples:
http://www.eeproductcenter.com/embedded/brief/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212902950
Stuart Brorson wrote:
I was wondering if other folks might be interested in
getting occasional private e-mails from me alerting them to any such
articles. Then, folks who felt moved could respond to the posts.
Sure Stuart.
John
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