On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote:
have something to say about it. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned about the
Incubator PMC Chair
up until now (actually I'm not, and I bet that no one steps up to agree with
me here, I expect
to be alone in my opinion.)
I
Sorry if I'm late to the party, but my 2 cents...
The more I read about this, the more I latch onto Justin's Observers notion.
As a non-Apache Member, non-IPMC, PPMC member for OODT, I feel like I am
qualified to vote on a release in the sense that I am closer to the code than
Justin (sorry to
On 08/16/2010 09:32 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
I've already decided that I'm going to have to recruit a number of key
mentors to help me protect the project during incubation.
Historically, I think there are two
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:29, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Ross Gardler wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I think that it is a very interesting proposal, that could work very
well in
specific circumstances, and I'd be willing to see it tried as an
experiment,
if the Board buys into
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:31, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message
From: Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
Greg Stein wrote:
Using
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:53, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's optimized for success while making mentors potentially responsible for
failure (iow a project with crappy mentors will fail no matter how much they
grok apache). Still have doubts about escalating the graduation
As a Member, and mentor, I take offense at being called a hawk,
lunatic, drive-by-shooter, process-obstructor, etc.
There is absolutely no reason to conflate changing the dynamics of the
Incubator by adding this kind of bile to the discussion.
I feel disempowered and insulted by the consistent
I'm really worried about the growing meme that RAT is solving the IP management
problem.
It is not a solution, it is merely a tool that is useful for a very specific
use case.
All it does is do a pattern match for an Apache licence header in a bunch of
files. It's really useful for checking
Hello everybody,
I append some informations to this proposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JSpiritProposal.
I am always looking for mentors, Champion in the Apache community.
Send me your feedback about this proposal and I were pleased to answer
and develop this with your assistance.
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name to a
piece of electronic paper.
Personally I imagined my binding vote, as a mentor, to indicate a) the project
debs want this tongi ahead
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be I like
Sent from my mobile device.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than
On 17/08/2010 05:32, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote:
I've already decided that I'm going to have to recruit a number of key
mentors to help me protect the project during incubation.
Historically, I think there are two classes
Ross, while I understand the All it does part I don't get the
dangerous part.
I think noone has ever announced RAT as a solution. It is a helper
tool. I think the recommendation to use RAT (for what it offers) is
just plainly right. Nothing more - nothing less.
Jochen
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:
Ross, while I understand the All it does part I don't get the
dangerous part.
I think noone has ever announced RAT as a solution. It is a helper
tool. I think the recommendation to use RAT (for what it offers)
On 2010-08-17, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Ross, while I understand the All it does part I don't get the
dangerous part.
It becomes dangerous if people start to believe it did more than scan
for licenses.
Stefan
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To unsubscribe,
On 17/08/2010 10:15, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Ross, while I understand the All it does part I don't get the
dangerous part.
There have been a number of people who have stated things like
(paraphrasing) IP management issues have largely gone away now we have
RAT. I'm sure the statements are not
On 17/08/2010 10:45, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
On 2010-08-17, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Ross, while I understand the All it does part I don't get the
dangerous part.
It becomes dangerous if people start to believe it did more than scan
for licenses.
More specifically scan for *only* Apache
Hi,
I understand the fear. With any tool like that and, indeed,
process, it
is all too common to go through the motions and ignore the spirit of why it
was being done in the first place. When preparing a release I found
it necessary to wade through the available documentation to find out
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
If I am to offer a suggestion, I would suggest that there be a clear release
process documented in a single location, with the rational for each of its
steps
included.
Is this what you'd want?
On 16 August 2010 19:18, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Shiro community and the mentors of the project think the
project is ready to graduate and is asking for IPMC's recommendation
to present the project resolution to the board. The community
graduation vote was
On Aug 17, 2010, at 4:29 AM, sebb wrote:
On 16 August 2010 19:18, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Shiro community and the mentors of the project think the
project is ready to graduate and is asking for IPMC's recommendation
to present the project resolution to the
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:14:02 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
On 17 Aug
Thanks - I think it's my crusty memory - the problems I had was
determining precisely what to do with generating
keys, etc., which was just a part of all this.
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stuart Monteithstuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
If I am to offer a
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
As a Member, and mentor, I take offense at being called a hawk,
lunatic, drive-by-shooter, process-obstructor, etc.
As a very freshly printed member of this PMC, there are, of course, some
limits on what
On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.orggeneral@incubator.apache.org
Cc: general@incubator.apache.orggeneral@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:14:02 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp
LOL know problem Ross ;)
On 8/17/10 1:46 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be I like
Sent from my mobile device.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the
hi, I am from BlueSky. i just finished my intern and went back home in the
last two days. Sorry that i forget the monthly report.. will cover it soon.
2010/8/17, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com:
Matt Benson, Srinath Perera, and Michael McCandless all joined the
Incubator. Several more will
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:45:01 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp
On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[...]
Isn't that why we encourage IPMC members to participate in
discussions
On 08/17/2010 11:39 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:45:01 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp
On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[...]
Isn't that why we
Need access to incubator group
--
Key: INCUBATOR-110
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-110
Project: Incubator
Issue Type: Wish
Components: policy
Reporter: Eric Yang
On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
I certainly could have handled it better. But that thread is
*indicative* of the problem. We've pointed out a several now: two with
Subversion, one with OODT.
Since you've brought it up time and again, it's worth thrashing
through. The
- Original Message
From: Carl Trieloff cctriel...@redhat.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:35:29 PM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp
I've been following this thread, and have another mail written, but not
posted,
maybe I will at some point...
- Original Message
From: Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com
To: Incubator general@incubator.apache.org; Apache Board bo...@apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: an experiment
On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
I certainly could
Hi Daniel,
On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
One of the first things you learn in Apache is that there are (at
least)
three levels of involvement that community members can take:
contributor, committer, PMC
Fixed both issues Sebb raised. I doubt either was an impediment to
graduation, but keep 'em coming. Oh and the votes too! (I fear our
little vote will get lost in experiment/radical chat).
Kalle
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Aug 17, 2010, at
Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
One of the first things you learn in Apache is that there are (at least)
three levels of involvement that community members can take:
contributor, committer, PMC member. See how it works, roles, etc. etc.
on the Apache site.
+1
You have worked hard to get to this point, having survived the release
process, two name changes, and community building exercises.
I have no reservations about graduating Shiro to a full member of the
Apache community.
Congratulations,
Craig
On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Kalle
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote:
...
Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
...
I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache
I fully second this sentiment. +1 and godspeed as a TLP!
Martijn
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Craig L Russell
craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote:
+1
You have worked hard to get to this point, having survived the release
process, two name changes, and community building exercises.
I have no
Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-26?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12732740#action_12732740
Based on this I've been advising projects to put the apache LICENSE
On 8/17/10 8:23 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
+1
You have worked hard to get to this point, having survived the release
process, two name changes, and community building exercises.
You also have my +1. It was a long graduation, but at the end, the team
get The Apache way large and long. Go !
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David Jencks david_jen...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
On Aug 17, 2010, at 5:09 PM, David Jencks wrote:
Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-26?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12732740#action_12732740
Based on this
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
* Les Hazlewood (lhazlew...@apache.org)
* Kalle Korhonen (kao...@apache.org)
* Peter Ledbrook (pledbr...@apache.org)
* Jeremy Haile (jha...@apache.org)
* Craig L Russell
On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David Jencks david_jen...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
+1.
- Original Message
From: Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:28:04 PM
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP
[X] +1 - Recommend graduation of Apache Shiro as a TLP
Nice work.
Gav...
On 8/18/10 12:24 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
snip/
I'm with Stefano there: I do contest the view that svn is the
release,
You can contest, but the fact is that a release is just a revision in
the SVN trunk, not a package you deliver, AFAIU. I suggest that you read
carefully this :
- Original Message
From: Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:09:12 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP
On 8/18/10 12:24 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
snip/
I'm with Stefano there: I do contest the
On 8/18/10 1:03 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
Yes, the name changes were difficult to deal with, ...
It was very interesting that the team didn't exploded after such an
unpleasant experience !
But consider that it could have been much worse : what if you have
picked 'Dalvik' for the project name
Greg Stein wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:26:24 -0400:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com
wrote:
I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache community.
FWIW Greg once complained about infra's use of machine names
in our board reports as being a bit too cloistered for the
board to follow coherently. To address this we added
parentheticals that associated more common service names
to the first usage of any hostname and so far the board has
found
On 17/08/2010 17:35, Carl Trieloff wrote:
To this question, (what will make this model succeed or fail) I find
myself not coming
to defensible answers... I would love to see thoughts of others on this
question.
The thread implies it comes down to the 3+ members on the project.
It's not that
On 8/18/10 1:15 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
In other word, the release *is* the SVN revision that has been voted.
Bzzt. The release package may contain files not found in svn. See httpd
releases for examples. That is why the document you referenced avoids
discussion of svn; it's the actual
On 17/08/2010 17:45, Joe Schaefer wrote:
I do
question the idea that just having 3 Members on the project and leaving them
to their own devices will actually work well for the majority of our podlings.
I don't think anyone is claiming it is right for the *majority* of
podlings. Just *some*
Boy is that rare for someone to express appreciation
for being corrected.
You're definitely welcome!
- Original Message
From: Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:52:11 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Agreed, but I will claim that my proposal has worked successfully for httpd,
so it's not coming out of the clear blue sky. Perhaps you're onto something,
that diversifying the podling incubation process so we can pick
Gavin,
Thank you for all your help on Wookie to date. The kinds of
contributions you have made (helping ensure that licence headers etc.
are clear) are exactly the kind of contributions that are needed.
You leave a legacy that will ensure that our release (when it comes
about) will be more
While inconclusive, based on the discussion I've restored the LICENSE
file at the top of our svn trunk. Please refrain yourself from further
comments regarding the LICENSE file in this thread, this is a vote (my
fault; I know I should have kept my mouth shut).
Kalle
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