Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:28:06PM +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...The word champion doesn't seem to describe this new role precisely.  A champion is someone who fights on your behalf -- in the context of a new

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
On 23 November 2011 09:14, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ... Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which this one derives) - it's just a coordination role. +1 I imagine I would

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I can already hear the questions: Can I serve as a Champion, I am not a

Fwd: [NOTICE] Account created: Sean David Cooper (secooper)

2011-11-23 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Looks like I don't have sufficient karma to do it myself. Could someone with karma please give 'secooper' svn rights for the rave project? Requested change in [1]:

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
On 22 November 2011 03:50, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote: : We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of : the podlings.  Podlings should only be brought in for a few specific : examplesto mention.  That's the first thing to correct. While I generally

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-23 Thread Joe Schaefer
Well IMO the whole point of the reporting at the ASF is for the business requirements of being a non-profit org are satisfied. What that means is that the committee's activities, and ONLY the committees activities, are relevant to the board report.  Yes we talk about community and non-PMC member

Re: Fwd: [NOTICE] Account created: Sean David Cooper (secooper)

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:10:57 AM Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: Looks like I don't have sufficient karma to do it myself. Could someone with karma please give 'secooper' svn rights for the rave project? Done. Dan Requested change in [1]:

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-23 Thread sebb
On 23 November 2011 05:17, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote: All, I'm happy to announce that Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3 is available and ready for your testing and voting. Release candidate artifacts: http://people.apache.org/~pnasser/Lucene.Net/2.9.4-incubating-RC3/

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2011-11-23, sebb wrote: On 23 November 2011 05:17, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm happy to announce that Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3 is available and ready for your testing and voting. Release candidate artifacts:

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-23 Thread Shane Curcuru (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13156042#comment-13156042 ] Shane Curcuru commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: --- Note that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Shane Curcuru
Great stuff, and great discussion. Thanks in particular Bertrand for making it a specific proposal. +1 On 2011-11-22 4:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ... 3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor. Correct - from the organizational point of view, the champion role as defined is

[SITE] Champion documentation

2011-11-23 Thread sebb
Given the expansion in the Champion role that is being proposed, I think it would make sense to include an entry for the champion role in podlings.xml. Also, it would make sense to publish the name of the champion in the listing of podlings: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html Not

Re: [VOTE] Release Sqoop version 1.4.0-incubating (with release candidate rc1)

2011-11-23 Thread Tom White
+1 Checked signatures/md5, ran RAT, tag looks good. Cheers, Tom On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Bilung Lee b...@apache.org wrote: This will be the first incubator release for Apache Sqoop, version 1.4.0-incubating. We got two IPMC votes from our dev list and are looking for a third.  

[SITE] Link to board meeting minutes for podling acceptance/graduation

2011-11-23 Thread sebb
Just wondering whether it would be useful to add a link to the board minutes that establish podlings and create TLPs? So for example, Libcloud was established in [1]; this could be added to podlings.xml and added as a link in Start Date column in the list of podlings [2]. Similarly for graduated

Re: [SITE] Link to board meeting minutes for podling acceptance/graduation

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Shahaf
sebb wrote on Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 20:19:47 +: Just wondering whether it would be useful to add a link to the board minutes that establish podlings The IPMC creates podlings. and create TLPs? +1 - To unsubscribe,

Re: [SITE] Link to board meeting minutes for podling acceptance/graduation

2011-11-23 Thread sebb
On 23 November 2011 20:29, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: sebb wrote on Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 20:19:47 +: Just wondering whether it would be useful to add a link to the board minutes that establish podlings The IPMC creates podlings. Doh! [Sorry, brian farted!] and create

Re: [SITE] Link to board meeting minutes for podling acceptance/graduation

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Shahaf
sebb wrote on Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 20:38:51 +: I suppose an alternative would be to create an index to the board meeting minutes just showing the TLP creations ordered by TLP name. That might be more generally useful. Shane has that in a CSV somewhere I think.

Re: [SITE] Link to board meeting minutes for podling acceptance/graduation

2011-11-23 Thread Shane Curcuru
+1 to any of sebb's ideas. Making it easier to find this kind of historical stuff would be great. Also see (manually maintained after board meetings): https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/board-meeting-history.csv Most of which probably doesn't have to be private, but needs

RE: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
As member of a PPMC whose champion continued after formation of the podling, I would miss someone in that role. Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has a certain appeal. At the moment, our champion is the person who performs many of the actions that require more

Re: [SITE] Link to board meeting minutes for podling acceptance/graduation

2011-11-23 Thread sebb
On 23 November 2011 21:36, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: +1 to any of sebb's ideas.  Making it easier to find this kind of historical stuff would be great. Also see (manually maintained after board meetings):

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: 3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor. Ah now I know what confused me. A Champion is not necessarily a mentor - but he should be either on the IPMC, a Officer or a Member, right? A Champion cannot be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:13PM -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has a certain appeal. It seems a little odd to me that a PPMC member who is neither an ASF Member nor on the IPMC may be elected to the Champion role and then would

Re: [SITE] Champion documentation

2011-11-23 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Given the expansion in the Champion role that is being proposed, I think it would make sense to include an entry for the champion role in podlings.xml. +1 Also, it would make sense to publish the name of the champion in the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:13PM -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has a certain appeal. It seems a little odd to me that a PPMC member who is neither an ASF Member nor on

Re: [SITE] Champion documentation

2011-11-23 Thread sebb
On 23 November 2011 22:39, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Given the expansion in the Champion role that is being proposed, I think it would make sense to include an entry for the champion role in podlings.xml. +1

RE: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'm sorry. I did not mean to suggest that the champion of the PPMC of which I am a member is any of those cases. I'm certain our champion is an ASF Member. I haven't checked to see if the champion is a member of the IPMC, though I wouldn't be surprised. I was not speaking on behalf of

Re: [SITE] Link to board meeting minutes for podling acceptance/graduation

2011-11-23 Thread David Crossley
Daniel Shahaf wrote: sebb wrote: Just wondering whether it would be useful to add a link to the board minutes that establish podlings The IPMC creates podlings. Could link to the mail-archives for the result of the acceptance vote. -David

[VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-23 Thread Neha Narkhede
Hi, Kafka community is excited to share that RC for release of Kafka-0.7.0-incubating has been +1'd over at kafka-user@incubator. Please try it out and vote for the Apache Kafka 0.7.0-incubating release. This is the first release of Kafka since we've joined the Apache incubator. Based on the

Re: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-23 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
It's unfortunate that the vote only took 24 hours on the Kafka list; it was my understanding that votes take 72 hours. Anyway, I've found some problems in the NOTICE file in that Kafka uses/ship NUnit but it's not in the NOTICE file. -1 Regards, Alan On Nov 23, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Neha

Re: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-23 Thread Neha Narkhede
Alan, It's unfortunate that the vote only took 24 hours on the Kafka list; it was my understanding that votes take 72 hours. Because the only change was in the NOTICE and DISCLAIMER files from previous RC, our champion (Chris C) suggested we could run a quicker lazy 24 hour vote. Anyway, I've

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'm sorry.  I did not mean to suggest that the champion of the PPMC of which I am a member is any of those cases.  I'm certain our champion is an ASF Member.  I haven't checked to see if the champion is a

Re: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-23 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Nov 23, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Neha Narkhede wrote: Alan, It's unfortunate that the vote only took 24 hours on the Kafka list; it was my understanding that votes take 72 hours. Because the only change was in the NOTICE and DISCLAIMER files from previous RC, our champion (Chris C)

Re: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-23 Thread Chris Douglas
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure the vote can be shortened.  I could be wrong.  If it can then I totally agree with the inclination to get goin' with this release.   I'm sorry it's had so many first and starts. As long as the only