Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Arvind Prabhakar
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering PPMCs and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense?... How is that

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Arvind Prabhakar
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote: ​ In fact, in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect of IPMC ​ ​ feeling in need to justify why it exists by micromanaging podlings. I've been through incubation as a mentor on Phoenix, Nifi, and

Need to be able to edit a page on wiki.apache.org

2015-08-03 Thread Amol Kekre
I want to create a wiki page for a proposal to incubate Apex with ASF. Can someone give me edit access for the following page? http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal For those unfamiliar with Apex; it is an unified batch and stream processing compute platform native to Yarn that was open

Re: Need to be able to edit a page on wiki.apache.org

2015-08-03 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote: I want to create a wiki page for a proposal to incubate Apex with ASF. Can someone give me edit access for the following page? http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal For those unfamiliar with Apex; it is an

Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-03 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:36AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering PPMCs and making

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: I've been waiting for a bout a week for other to chime in, but it seems that nobody has so I'll repeat my question as of a week ago: what would be the effective way to change the status quo around IPMC an make it more board like?

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2015-08-03 09:37, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering PPMCs and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense?... How is that different from the status quo where a

apache binary distributions

2015-08-03 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Hi all, some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point with regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary distribution of a source code release has to be handled like a release itself, and that there should be no download source of it outside of

Re: Request to add username in Incubator Wiki

2015-08-03 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Atri Sharma atri.j...@gmail.com wrote: Requesting adding of username AtriSharma to Incubator wiki ContributorGroup. Done. Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Request to add username in Incubator Wiki

2015-08-03 Thread Atri Sharma
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Atri Sharma atri.j...@gmail.com wrote: Requesting adding of username AtriSharma to Incubator wiki ContributorGroup. Done. Marvin Humphrey Thanks.

Request to add username in Incubator Wiki

2015-08-03 Thread Atri Sharma
Hi, Requesting adding of username AtriSharma to Incubator wiki ContributorGroup. -- Regards, Atri *l'apprenant*

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering PPMCs and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense?... How is that different from the status quo where a podling with active mentors can have their releases

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-03 Thread Alex Harui
OK, I’ll bite. Do you have links to where you got this information? -Alex On 8/3/15, 2:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: Hi all, some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point with regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:18 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote: I wonder how much of the silence is a notion of I don't want to be accountable if something goes wrong in this podling. Right, but that same concern could be applied to every single TLP and yet the board seems to do the

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Ross Gardler
This is that proverbial political overhead that a lot of folks are accusing ASF of and cite as a reason of not going into the foundation. Which is grossly unfair at the board level, but unfortunately seems to be very true at IPMC level today. +1000 -Original Message- From:

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: I've been waiting for a bout a week for other to chime in, but it seems that nobody has so I'll repeat my question as of a week ago: what would be the effective way

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering PPMCs and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense?... How is that

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Arvind Prabhakar arv...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com] Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 09:37 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator) [ ... ] It's not the central Incubator folks

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Zeppelin 0.5.0-incubating released

2015-08-03 Thread Dhaval Gmail
Congratulations on achieving this milestone and good luck for many more to achieve in near future! Best, Dhaval Sent from my iPhone, plaese excuse any typos :) On Aug 3, 2015, at 1:29 AM, Rajat Gupta rajat.iit...@gmail.com wrote: congrats guys On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Luke

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Zeppelin 0.5.0-incubating released

2015-08-03 Thread Jongyoul Lee
Good job!! On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Nihal Bhagchandani nihal_bhagchand...@yahoo.com wrote: that is a great news guys thumbs up to the whole team... Nihal On Saturday, 1 August 2015 11:42 AM, IT CTO goi@gmail.com wrote: Well done! Great team effort and great leadership

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Zeppelin 0.5.0-incubating released

2015-08-03 Thread IT CTO
Well done! Great team effort and great leadership by Moon. 0.6 here we come! Eran בתאריך שבת, 1 באוג׳ 2015, 09:08 מאת moon soo Lee m...@apache.org: Hi, The Apache Zeppelin team is proud to annouce the first release of Zeppelin inside the Apache incubator: 0.5.0-incubating. Apache Zeppelin

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Zeppelin 0.5.0-incubating released

2015-08-03 Thread Nihal Bhagchandani
that is a great news guys thumbs up to the whole team... Nihal On Saturday, 1 August 2015 11:42 AM, IT CTO goi@gmail.com wrote: Well done! Great team effort and great leadership by Moon. 0.6 here we come! Eran בתאריך שבת, 1 באוג׳ 2015, 09:08 מאת moon soo Lee m...@apache.org:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Zeppelin 0.5.0-incubating released

2015-08-03 Thread Rajat Gupta
congrats guys On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Luke Han luke...@apache.org wrote: Congratulations! On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:43 AM, 김영우 warwit...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations! On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 3:08 PM, moon soo Lee m...@apache.org wrote: Hi, The Apache Zeppelin team is

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Zeppelin 0.5.0-incubating released

2015-08-03 Thread madhuka udantha
Congratulation!! +1 On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 11:38 AM, moon soo Lee m...@apache.org wrote: Hi, The Apache Zeppelin team is proud to annouce the first release of Zeppelin inside the Apache incubator: 0.5.0-incubating. Apache Zeppelin is a web-based notebook that enables interactive data

Incubator PMC/Board report for Aug 2015 ([ppmc])

2015-08-03 Thread Marvin
Dear podling, This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly board report. The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 19 August 2015, 10:30 am PST. The report for your podling will

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2015-08-03 21:13, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: Yup. I believe this to be an unfortunate (at least from my standpoint) but and extremely fair observation. As far as I'm concerned the issue of RRs of IPMC is in a state of a stalemate right now. We clearly have a everything's fine lets just add

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Andrew Purtell
​ In fact, in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect of IPMC ​ ​ feeling in need to justify why it exists by micromanaging podlings. I've been through incubation as a mentor on Phoenix, Nifi, and now getting up to speed on Trafodion, I have not seen micromanagement of podlings.

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-03 Thread David Nalley
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: Hi all, some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point with regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary distribution of a source code release has to be handled like a

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Branko Čibej
On 03.08.2015 18:36, Marvin Humphrey wrote: It's not the central Incubator folks like our regular release reviewers and report contributors who invent these extra criteria Sorry but this has to be said: I see folks on this list inventing policy (or rather, confusing opinion and policy) all the

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Julian Hyde
In my experience incubating Calcite, the “overhead” was mostly the infrastructure and process, not politics. (If you think the incubator is political, you haven’t seen politics…) The process is necessary (mostly) to ensure clean IP. The infrastructure, less so. So, if we’re talking about how to

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-03 Thread Branko Čibej
On 03.08.2015 21:51, Julian Hyde wrote: In my experience incubating Calcite, the “overhead” was mostly the infrastructure and process, not politics. (If you think the incubator is political, you haven’t seen politics…) The process is necessary (mostly) to ensure clean IP. The