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the Flex PMC resolve this issue on that basis?
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the clarification!
I’m still not sure I understand. In plain English we seem to have these
unresolved questions:
1) (Re)compiling convenience packages
/aGm
https://github.com/rectang/asfrelease
It's delayed because I got swamped but it seems that the need has not
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with how that
policy has traditionally been applied.
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that are not produced in
a controlled environment with a controlled set of tools.
Changing policy to make binary releases official acts by the foundation would
require us to account for those liability issues -- a daunting undertaking.
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the RM attends a keysigning
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deleting such notices from individual source files.
* Not much else passes the test.
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to this suggestion of yours from upthread:
It's certainly a best practice to not put things in NOTICE that aren't
actually required.
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works around
the GPL incompatibility.
Were the Incubator to review Solr's licensing documentation today, I'm certain
that the project would be encouraged to pare things down -- to lower the cost
to downstream consumers, and in keeping with the modest original intent of
NOTICE.
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this frustration. It took way too much effort before I
felt a sense of mastery over this subject.
The addition of the Licensing How-To seems to have helped. Presumably
the completion of the release policy clarification initiative will
improve matters further.
(Gah, I have no time...)
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-- although we always recommend that
people use open ended language to start with.
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for podlings that have been in the Incubator a while. This
problem arises due to fundamental defects in the incentive structure
of Incubator -- the afflicted podlings are not at fault.
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Can somebody grant me access to edit incubator wiki page?
My account : AmareshwariSriramadasu
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as it is simple to spell and pronounce, and in some
way convey the project's meaning - to question intensely.
Whichever project accumulates less mindshare will forever be stuck
explaining no, not Apache [GD]rill, Apache [DG]rill. Not cool.
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a blocker I'll change my vote.
I concur with your reasoning, Justin. This is not just a licensing
documentation bug, it's a licensing error.
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older coders have brought to the younger
generations.
I think NASA makes Mattmann use one of those for his email.
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to the PMC Chair handling the report, I'm also
happy to pitch in.
I'll check in tomorrow to see where things are at.
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which can be
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interface without committing to the new format.
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
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Here's a first sketch of a YAML based incubator report
I
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It turns out that there were tasks from last month which were never completed:
* Remove expired monthly reporting tags in podlings.xml. (Since this wasn't
done, a few podlings got reminders today who should
toolset, and collaborating with the existing
volunteers.
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it has enough energy to survive as
a TLP -- especially now that our reforms have empowered sufficiently
motivated podling communities to drive the process.
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to enumerate all the possible
configurations in our licensing documentation. The only sane option is
to document only what is bundled.
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browser causes me to get logged out and then I stay logged out. I suggest
navigating to the August2014 page and trying to log in again.
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Can you please check whether “JulianHyde” has access. (Because
http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/UserNamesShouldNotBeCaseSensitive.)
I've removed julianhyde and added JulianHyde. Please try again.
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, exactly. We give podlings who fail to report the monthly tag for one
month, over and over as many times as necessary, until they finally report.
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For various reasons, I am probably going to have to cut back on my Incubator
time for a spell. Others are going to have to step up their game.
Hi folks,
FYI, production of the report is behind schedule, but I
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Till Westmann westm...@gmail.com wrote:
[ ] +1 Recommend the creation of the Apache VXQuery project.
[ ] 0 Don't care.
[ ] -1 The Apache VXQuery podling is not ready to graduate because ...
+1
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On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
Stratos is still getting Incubator reminders because they did not complete the
Graduation guide. Specifically, this step was missed:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#unincubate
I have CC'd
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
Can I get a volunteer to
perform the following edits on podlings.xml? I could do it myself, but the
point of writing all this out is to build community.
No volunteers. Sigh.
I've done this myself after all. It's
to cast binding
votes should consider this option.
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. Specifically, this step was missed:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#unincubate
I have CC'd the Stratos dev list on this message. Can a Stratos person please
review the Graduation guide, take care of editing podlings.xml and see whether
any other steps were missed?
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expired. Commit any changes.
[... edit podlings.xml with your editor of choice ...]
svn ci -m Remove expired 'monthly' attributes.
If you want, I can remove Stratos and add Flink to the report.
That would be great, thanks!
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On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
Fleece's entry is already correct, including the `monthly` tag and the
duration. It's not clear to me why no reminder went out. :(
I bet it's because clutch.py hadn't been run after the update to podlings.xml
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014, at 04:33 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
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Roman, hope you don't mind me getting this started early...
Anyone interested
to be approved.
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that since the Incubator
perennially has difficulty mustering release votes, a alternate system
has been put into place. Had this system been followed, the current
tally would have been enough for the VOTE to pass today.
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases
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I'd be interested in helping this month, with an eye to doing the report
manager work for July and perhaps onwards from there.
It's nice to be ahead of the game!
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the vote on Celix as I usually do on votes for podlings I
haven't been involved with, but I think the concerns expressed by Bertrand and
others are important to consider.
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On 10 June 2014 16:20, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
One fundamental problem with compiled deps is that unlike source code, they
cannot be reviewed by a PMC -- so they are potential trojan horses
: succinct and
informative.
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=56
We should definitely preserve shepherding whenever somebody contributes it.
I've restored your review:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014?action=diffrev1=58rev2=59
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doesn't get around to adding a blurb about ODF
Toolkit's release using the alternate process before you submit the
report to the Board, please add one yourself. (See
http://s.apache.org/q7.)
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may be very far apart.
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missing and some that
weren't in this month's report were present. I've contributed a fix:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014?action=diffrev1=54rev2=55
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votes by non-PMC members.
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com wrote:
Marvin,
What do you think about listing storm under ready to graduate instead
of community growth?
Sounds fine. They list a couple of TODOs, but graduation is clearly in
sight. Let's go with your judgment.
Marvin
why.
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IMO -- it was the information we had available when the report
was prepared. We'll drive ourselves crazy if we try to be
up-to-the-minute current.
Should we remove podlings not reporting from the TOC?
Yeah, sounds good -- I always forget that.
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Are you going to enter this report on the wiki?
I've taken the liberty of adding it.
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be to keep it in because I think we should leave the
Podling's work intact if we can.
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enjoying this Sunday Evening Report Sprint. :)
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is coming soon,
and nothing ever made it to their dist directory.
http://incubator.apache.org/kalumet/downloads.html
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/kalumet/
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editorial -- Write narrative, misc, legal, infrastructure, etc.
I figure you've got this task under control.
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Chair -- Deliver report to Board.
mechanical -- Prepare next month's report template.
It seems to me that your shepherd manager partially overlaps the
mechanical responsibilities laid out here.
Joe, what would you like to take on?
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the report to
general@incubator, giving podlings a chance to react to the reviews. I
suggest that that the Report Manager just send out the complete report
instead.
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working through the challenges, and for taking the initiative to start
this month's report as well.
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like a licensing violation -- it should not
pose a risk to the foundation and so it seems to me OK to file a ticket and
fix in a subsequent release.
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just try to stay vigilant going forward. If it keeps happening, we can
revisit our approach.
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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Alan Gates ga...@hortonworks.com wrote:
Should I now set up the rest of the infrastructure (commits
list, JIRA, website) so that the podling can get going in
earnest?
+1, proceed -- I agree with your reasoning.
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schedule, what we normally do is
just remove the monthly attribute once a late podling reports, and they go
back to their old schedule. That typically means that the next report will be
due in 1-2 months (which is OK).
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sponsoring developers.
It is in the interest of the project to diversify contributions of CI
resources just as with developers, but there are no restrictions per se on
that front.
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are generally understood to be covered under the platform clause.) If they
might want to maintain Artistic1 deps post-graduation, though, further inquiry
would be required.
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[ ] +1 Yes, to pre-clear the ODF Toolkit Polding to use the Alternate
Release Voting Process
[ ] -1 No, do not pre-clear the ODF Toolkit Polding to use the
Alternate Release Voting Process
+1
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of releases). I'm happy to provide support as needed.
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that podling's report and submit next
month. There is little harm in delaying, and reports submitted late
do not leave us time for proper review.
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Shepherding April 2014
DataFu
Justin Mclean (jmclean):
Relative new podling yet to make a release. One mentor is active on
public mailing list no obvious issues that need attention.
Phoenix
John Ament (johndament):
Phoenix is a newer
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In my estimation, the ODF Toolkit podling has sufficient expertise to
participate.
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wiki username seems to be
`Henry Saputra` with a space.
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, will be very
useful.
I'm not a Maven expert, but performing a web search for `maven-jar
license notice` yielded some results which look promising. For
instance this one:
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MJAR-103
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, but they come at too high a price. I
think we owe it to our volunteers to ensure that the time they invest
yields the best possible return.
If we cease attempting to recruit both shepherds AND a Report Manager
for duty each month, I suspect that we will have less difficulty
filling slots.
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editorial -- Write narrative, misc, legal, infrastructure, etc. sections.
mechanical -- Normalize report formatting
mechanical -- Send shepherding email
Chair -- Deliver report to Board.
mechanical -- Prepare next month's report template.
What's your preference?
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normally appear. [...]
The wherever such third party notices normally appear for jar files would be
META-INF.
IANAL but it seems good for the party supplying the binaries to get this
right.
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Greets,
We haven't recruited a Report Manager for April yet, and many
potential candidates will be occupied with preparations for ApacheCon.
I'll volunteer for another month. Roman, how about we divide tasks
the same as last time?
I plan on leaving May to someone else, though. :)
Marvin
April 2014 Incubator report timeline:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
Wed April 02 -- Podling reports due by end of day
Sun April 06 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
Sun April 06 -- Summary due by end of day
Tue April 08 -- Mentor signoff due by end of day
://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/NOTICE
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to start
maintaining non-binding best-practice guidance on how to compose licensing
documentation for binary redistributions.
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for going through all of this effort to get these files right.
+1, thanks for hanging in there, James.
Your suggestion elsewhere regarding adding example cases to the licensing
howto is well taken.
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Because the file is named NOTICE, people tend to think it's for anything
notice-ish. This is a pernicious misconception which keeps coming back
over and over like a weed...
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speaking, helpful mailing-list contributions on related
projects, etc. Then, if that initiative is successful, perhaps return to the
Incubator with your new collaborators.
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present: `2014-01-01 - present`
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in the redirects for a
number of retired podlings.
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then be deleted?
+1
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where clicking on a podling reveals expanded data. I'm not in favor of that
(too much work) but I mention it as another alternative to creating new web
pages.
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Call the vote and celebrate!
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and NOTICE.txt?
This is permitted. However the preference is that the files be called
LICENSE and NOTICE.
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Justin Mclean (jmclean):
IPMC has voted for graduation and just started a vote on
general@incubator.
DeviceMap
Roman Shaposhnik (rvs):
I will agree that the community activity is very low and the trend is
not positive. I
Greets,
The Incubator PMC has voted to offer membership to Justin Mclean
and he has accepted.
Justin came to the Incubator via Flex and is an active member of the Apache
Flex PMC. We're glad that he has returned!
Welcome, Justin!
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(not
necessarily the same as your Apache ID or username for other ASF
wikis) and we'll set you up.
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March 2014 Incubator report timeline:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2014
Wed March 05 -- Podling reports due by end of day
Sun March 09 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
Sun March 09 -- Summary due by end of day
Tue March 11 -- Mentor signoff due by end of day
from Board member Roy Fielding on the subject:
http://s.apache.org/roy-binary-deps-0
http://s.apache.org/roy-binary-deps-1
http://s.apache.org/roy-binary-deps-2
http://s.apache.org/roy-binary-deps-3
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-- Send shepherding email
Roman -- Deliver report to Board.
Marvin -- Prepare next month's report template.
Sound good?
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