Alex Karasulu wrote:
Hello,
On behalf of the Apache Directory Project Team, this is a VOTE for
Directory to exit the Incubator.
+1
PS: I hate multi-list votes, let's do it on one mailing list only next
time, *please*.
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, regardless to the
tone. I'd start getting really scared if they stopped altogether.
;-)
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things harder without need :-/
In any case, if someone is less paranoid then me, he can switch all
cwiki files to html by using the versions in TEMP_HTML ;-) (if they
were not changed in the meantime).
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of
the same under site-author/projects/TEMP_HTML.
Please rename the original cwiki file to an html extension and copy
inside the html contents, checking that all is ok before committing.
TIA
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in months, especially WRT the community aspect.
The search.apache.org part is interesting as well, and maybe it can be
detailed a bit more.
One thing... there need not be a single Mentor. I would propose that
you, being already an Apache committer, be a Mentor as well.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I've created a branch [1] for the Incubator website, a rendered version
of which is visible here [2]
[1]
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/branches/move2html4forrest/
[2]
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/incubator-html/site-publish/
Given
this
to the Mentors and developers of these two projects.
In practice, given that we have decided to remove [EMAIL PROTECTED], should
I request the creation of separate mailing lists for these projects or not?
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Nicola,
Would you please update the STATUS and site to refect this information?
'k
Done.
Should we shutdown the mailing lists and remove commit rights to the
source?
Not yet, this is a 'heads up'.
Nobody objected, nor here, nor on the dev mailing
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Nicola,
Would you please update the STATUS and site to refect this information?
'k
Done.
Should we shutdown the mailing lists and remove commit rights to the
source?
Not yet, this is a 'heads up'.
Nobody objected, nor here, nor on the dev mailing
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Nicola,
Would you please update the STATUS and site to refect this information?
'k
Should we shutdown the mailing lists and remove commit rights to the source?
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'.
Objections?
Comments?
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docs in process via viewcvs.
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If you want to contribute, I don't think that there is nothing
preventing you from asking commit rights.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
For small projects we have created a common
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
Over time I haven't seen that a common list is needed, as all common
requests go to the general mailing list. In essence, it's not working as
the Jakarta commons mailing list, as because most
be the private club. #asf could then have a list of
other channels in the welcome message and/or topic.
Personally I don't want to promote IRC as a means of communication: it's
time-zone discriminating and noisy to read in the logs.
If people have questions, we have mailing lists.
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To unsubscribe
dev mailing list. Overmore it seems to be creating confusion in
users that only some projects are in a separate list.
Therefore I propose that we get rid of it and simply create the usual
dev and cvs||svn||commits mailing lists for each Incubating Project.
WDOT?
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resilient.
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Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Here is the current text of the JCR proposal from
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JcrProposal
Please cast your vote as +1 (yes), -1 (no), or something in between.
Vote ends 12pm (Noon) PDT -0700, Saturday, August 28, 2004.
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ASF site.
Of course, I'm willing to work on that. Perhaps I'll start something in a
wiki somewhere and go from there?
Look on the right hand side navigation of the Apache main page, and work
on what you find lacking.
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.
I'm cross-posting to lists where there might be interest in helping you
out on this.
www.daffodildb.com
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Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2003/11/11 00:01:00 $]
Can we drop off this posting of a status file that is not and AFAIK will
not be very live?
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wrong to have one PMC controlling both cocoon and lenya
because it would clearly be divided into two separate groups with little
overlap.
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to address
them, he can write to me personally, no problem with that.
If you read the threads, you will notice that I have not taken part in
this whacky one-way flamefest.
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Sander Striker wrote:
The SpamAssassin project has met the requirements
for incubation and will be recommended to the
board for TLP status
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Cliff Schmidt wrote:
...
The XMLBeans project has met the requirements
for incubation and will be recommended to the
board for TLP status
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
allow Lenya to put out a clearly marked incubation distribution
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ready, so we can install and use that to
generate the site automatically.
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Cliff Schmidt wrote:
...
Sounds like we're all in agreement here (at least all those who have
posted to the list in the last few days).
I'm happy to be in 'violent' and silent agreement :-)
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Over here [1] there are some FAQs about Apache.
I think that they are much better to be put here [2].
WDOT?
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/faq.html
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LICENSE.xopus
nicola, could you change the umask?
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we only accept projects the
community size/diversity of which we would deem ok for graduation (as it
has been IIRC always for Jakarta subprojects)?
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to Snickers a high performance
ASN.1/BER runtime and stub compiler based on NIO.
For me, with a mentor hat on, that's all I need to see before kicking
you outta here :-)
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this.
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html
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I'm particularly confident
that it will function well as a PMC.
I'd also like to thank Geir in particular, and all other mentors for
helping the project: this proves that when the people actually do stuff
things happen.
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jakarta would oppose, but
a note there would be obviously done. The TBD in the page I posted are
not obvious, and so I thought it would be better to ask here.
AFAIK this has been the plan all along, it's not a problem... in fact, I
had already included this in my board reports :-)
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to license it
as GPL, it still should not be an issue.
In any case, the code that is at Apache is licensed with the Apache
license, which we believe is compatible with the GPL.
http://www.apache.org/licenses/
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
The Incubator project board report is due in a bit more than a week, as
the board meeting should take place on Wed, 21 Jan 2004, 10am Pacific [1].
Thus all Mentors should ensure that every Incubating Project sends in
their project report during this week, so that we
/${project-name}.html
As I have already told you :-) you have karma to it, but if you tell me
the others that need access as part of the incubating projects, just ask.
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this work can do it. That's why we keep telling you
(the volunteer) to just do it.
No wonder you are confused.
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which is not necessary.
What do others think?
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there is a recognizable benefit to moving.
+1
(during the Incubation period all the Apache infratructure can be set
up, but it doesn't mean that they have to use it, apart of course the
Infrastructure Project resources and the ppmc list)
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Ceki Gülcü wrote:
At 11:49 AM 1/12/2004 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
...
From what I understand so far, I can't see any advantages for *log4net*
to come through the Incubator instead of LS.
http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#does_project_X_really_need_Incubation
http
Matt Liotta wrote:
I didn't see a reply from anyone in regard to my message below. Just
curious if the interested parties have seen it.
Yes, thanks a bunch.
You may want to announce it also here: http://jazilla.sourceforge.net/
They are workin on a Java-only browser.
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Julie MacNaught wrote:
I updated the WSRP4J page in the incubator site, but it needs to be
regenerated.
Any plans to do that soon?
Yup, I saw that commit pass by a couple of days ago, I'll regen it in a
few hours.
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Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 12:44:40PM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
The role of Mentor is a self-selecting title (eg. anyone wishing to
become a Mentor and has the title to be one as described in our policy
just adds themselves to the projects/index webpage + the project
, as the template is made so that you need just to
replace values.
In any case, here is the syntax reference.
...
bigger howtos @ http://incubator.apache.org/
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committers. Like you, I think I'd like to see them
voted in by the PPMC.
Again? They are already voted in with the proposal, so I don't see why
they have to be voted in *again*.
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Thanks for the useful suggestions..
Sander Striker wrote:
On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 13:42, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
...
The status updates are posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED], prior ACK
from any Incubator PMC member.
Does this need an ACK?
I reckon it would need a go-ahead from the community
.
If an extreme need for it arises, we can deal with it as an exceptional
case, without it being part of pur normal policy.
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
it would be nice to create We are under incubation icon
See: http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator-logo.png
Here you can also find them in different sizes and background colors:
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/
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and
manage things on your own. By the way, would you be interested
in a position on the Incubator PMC to help out new projects?
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to be undone once the project has graduated.
I have already explained that this, in turn, creates other problems. Our
goal is not only to settle in new projects, but to ensure that projects
that should not proceed do *not* settle in right away.
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and publish the website for you if you make
changes (I had done so last time).
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Because they have started incubation without the rule. Our policy is not
to change the rules to incubating projects if not extremely necessary.
This thing is important but not critical, so it was not *that* important
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for it, feel free to contact me directly
to see if we can find the right way to opensource it.
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) Who I need to talk to get the mailing lists, cvs repo, etc. set up.
Send a note to infrastructure?
Yes.
Good work :-)
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jaxmenus.com
jaxmedicalpractice.com
jaxmetal.com
jaxmediaonline.com
jaxmetroford.com
ajaxmetal.com
viajaxmenos.com
ajaxmedia.com
ajaxmetalstamping.com
krackerjaxmedia.com
Search for US federal or canadian trademarks found no results.
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, you want to see Axion go through? Just do it.
You and other axion committers have now access to incubator CVS.
Fill_in_the_blanks. :-)
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/axion.cwiki?view=markup
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, after 72 hours
after a board member ACKs it, he's in.
Now it's all up to them. :-)
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or logging PMC members, and we will add them to the Incubator PMC.
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#updating_the_project_website
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. In the meantime I'm helping to do this, so you
should not wait long. In any case, it should be live now, please check.
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- status reports to the Incubator PMC are the means of reporting
and are also posted on general
I'm still thinking, but ATM I tend to believe that your scenario is
better. :-)
Others see problems with it?
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Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 02:16:49PM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
[snip everything above that I agree with]
:-)
Incubator PMC members not engaged in active discussion and development
on a project are on the project PPMC in quality of observers. They
should refrain from
indirections.
Finally, the private pmc list should be a last resort mechanism, so we
will not be doing normal project mentoring there.
I think that the below proposal explains the PPMC in sufficient detail:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PpmcProposal
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Question: doesn't this go contrary to wanting 1Project == 1PMC?
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Leo Simons wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Hence I ask to vote
It's a big thing to vote on all at once.
Ok, got the message. In fact there are serious enough points to decide
to split the vote.
I still have
question marks with some points. What I'm looking
for is some signal that we
to the archives.
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Jason van Zyl wrote:
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 03:23, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
...
In any case, if the vote is positive, we can start using the new rules
and continue discussing your proposal as a next step.
No, I would ask that you don't continue as my vote will not be positive
and at the very
it on to the Webservices PMC
- Juddi: pass it on to the Webservices PMC
- Lenya: pass it on to the Cocoon PMC
- Pluto + Wsrp4j: pass it on to their sponsoring PMCs and suggest
them to form a TLP when possible
- XmlBeans: move to Xml PMC
- Directory: create PPMC
- Ruper: create PPMC
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Sander Striker wrote:
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 18:49, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
First of all, we are in the process of deciding and clearly documenting
that only TLPs are to be incubated. Why? Because in Apache there are
only TLPs. Thus, Ruper
Adding the changes suggested by Sam.
Still need input from AltRMI and FTPServer.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I believe that the Incubator Reorg RT has brought us to very interesting
conclusions, that I'd like to summarize here as a proposal, for which
I'd like to ask a vote after some discussion
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Sander Striker wrote:
There was a discussion on the board list at the end of 2002. What was
basically the point was that every external codebase would come through
Incubator. No exceptions (for obvious reasons). IIRC the conclusion
the Incubator first, then we can deal
with that.
I like this.
IIUC it would also mean that the Incubator project members should
subscribe to the committers-cvs list, to help monitor and maintain the
checklist.
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that are in a limbo and
that need their status reassessed, and projects that need to exit
incubation. @see the [PROPOSAL] Incubator Reorg, as I will ask a vote
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also need to create additional documentation for point (3), and add
all PMC chairs to the Incubator PMC.
Fire at will.
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'.
That should be it for now, TIA
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Sam Ruby wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
...
For that reason, I believe that there needs to be a clear distinction
between PPMC members who are primarily observers and vetoers of last
resort, and those who are active in the construction of the project.
Is it really needed? I
the grant stuff.
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Sam Ruby wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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Lenya will become a sub-project of Cocoon. Or better, a sub-codebase
of the same project. It's fair to assume that once incubation is
finished, the Lenya codebase will go to the Cocoon PMC and that all
Lenya committers will go in the Cocoon PMC
when Lenya leaves the Incubator, with the Incubator PMC
dropped out.
The PPMC is not a mechanism to teach Sam the The Apache Way, but
used as I am describing it above, it would provide a structure for
the Jakarta PMC to teach The Apache Way, and to help alleviate
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wicked Sam stuff
in it that I still can't see ;-)
Finally, this does not preclude that other projects can decide to employ
the PPMC mechanism inside themselves, but that's not our problem.
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On to problem solving...
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to strike a balance between self-governance and oversight.
How is it to be done?
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Leo Simons wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
How is it to be done?
Shoot.
JFDI applies.
I'm trying to recap, I had a hard time understanding some details in all
the mails I'm reading.
I think every PMC member and every ASF
member that had something to say about the PPMC idea
was basically
in disclaimers that the project is not finally in
Apache, the project is in fact legally already *inside* Apache.
I think I know where this is coming from ;-)
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PROTECTED], so
who wants to can easily track both changes to the wiki and to the site.
Let's see what other think about this, so that we can have a vote on it
soon and adopt it.
Thanks
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Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 12/2/03 8:04 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
How is it to be done?
Ditch the incubator bureaucracy entirely and have the sponsoring member go
into the community, show them the light and then demonstrate to the PMC or
governance
detail, to sign up to the CVS diffs
of the incubator site to be notified of changes in the incubation status
of Ruper.
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accountable for their decision.
We are not deciding on the name but on the need or not to have a name
change. In case for a name change, this will surely be the case.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Aaron Bannert wrote:
The Geronimo folks are talking about making logos and there seems to
be a desire to have official signoff on the name. Please vote on one
of the following choices:
[ ] - Let them keep Geronimo as the official name.
[ ] - Punt the decision
for the Directory project,
and we'll see how that looks?
I was hoping to hear this :-)
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probably
be more than the prospected ones.
Till now we have (except Roy's -1 about the name):
dims +1
noel +1
Other votes? Are all PMC members on the general list?
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