Hi,
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
So strictly speaking this doesn't seem to meet the documented
Incubator graduation requirements.
Thanks for the insight! It sounds like Wink should try attracting more
active committers or go try graduating into a
Jukka,
Agree with your and Ant's assessment
-- dims
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
So strictly speaking this doesn't seem to meet the documented
Incubator graduation
Hi,
I just submitted our May report to the board. Thanks a lot to anyone
who chimed in with reviews and other help! Very much appreciated.
Let's try this again for the next report, perhaps in a bit more timely
and organized manner now that we're through the initial setup and have
more volunteers
Thanks Jukka,
One of the issues to address for next time is where to record
shepherds comments (if any). I suggest we do it directly in the
reports, in the Wiki. This requires no additional processes to
implement.
Once the shepherd process is working smoothly I'd also suggest that we
think about
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 9, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Luciano Resende wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave!
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:32 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Shepherds for podling reports
Thanks Jukka,
One of the issues to address for next time is where to record
shepherds comments
On 10 May 2012 13:39, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
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From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:32 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Shepherds for podling reports
Thanks Jukka,
One of the issues
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Shepherds for podling reports
On 10 May 2012 13:39, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
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Hi,
Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave!
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a
year
ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't understand why
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave!
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a
year
Hi,
Thanks for the report, Nuvem, and the review, Dave!
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
It is really hard to know what this project is trying to do other than be a
common
API for Cloud Apps. Very low activity. Apparently no users. A little pick up
On 9 May 2012, at 17:23, Luciano Resende wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave!
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
From activity it looks like
On May 9, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Luciano Resende wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave!
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
From activity it looks
Hi,
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I've done my shepherd reviews and made one comment (about Amber) on
this list). I'm not sure where you want general observations recording
but I have moved the projects to the recommended status category
That's
I was late to volunteer. Do you have any leftover projects?
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I've done my shepherd reviews and made one comment (about Amber) on
this list). I'm not sure where you want general observations recording
but I have moved
No such thing as leftover. Doubling up (or more) is just fine.
Q is whether there are some under-reviewed...
On May 8, 2012 6:40 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
I was late to volunteer. Do you have any leftover projects?
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Ross Gardler
Well, the Wiki page explicitly says that the chair will assign.
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
No such thing as leftover. Doubling up (or more) is just fine.
Q is whether there are some under-reviewed...
On May 8, 2012 6:40 AM, Benson Margulies
On 5/4/2012 1:27 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
In the Board agenda, we have a line where each Director can state they have
reviewed the report (before the meeting). They can also append queries and
comments. Little mini-discussions kinda happen in those comments.
Point here is: provide a similar
On May 2, 2012, at 1:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
In order to better share the effort of reviewing podling reports and
giving constructive feedback where needed, I'd like to propose
something like the shepherd model the ASF board is using for project
reports. For each report a single
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On May 2, 2012, at 1:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
In order to better share the effort of reviewing podling reports and
giving constructive feedback where needed, I'd like to propose
something like the shepherd
On May 5, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On May 2, 2012, at 1:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
In order to better share the effort of reviewing podling reports and
giving constructive feedback where
If you don't want to be a Shepherd, don't sign up. The board asked us
to do a better job of reviewing reports and detecting mentor
deficiencies. This is a plan to accomplish that.
-
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On May 5, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
If you don't want to be a Shepherd, don't sign up.
Yeah, I get that part.
The board asked us
to do a better job of reviewing reports and detecting mentor
deficiencies.
I get that too.
This is a plan to accomplish that.
My opinion
Hi Alan
For sure your point may be valid, but the whole point, if you read the
whole thread from the beginning, which I am sure you did, you will notice
that Jukka mentioned that this is a start and will assess the effort and
the whole plan after giving it sometime.
And actually having other
Thanks for replying with a thoughtful response.
Jukka put forth the idea of shepherds as a proposal. I was merely replying to
that proposal with my own considered ideas.
I am encouraged about the enthusiasm but I feel that it blurs the
responsibility of the mentor. Shepherding the shepherds
Hi Alan...
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.comwrote:
Thanks for replying with a thoughtful response.
Jukka put forth the idea of shepherds as a proposal. I was merely
replying to that proposal with my own considered ideas.
I am encouraged about the
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
This looks like a mind expanding activity. I added my name for a maximum of 2
per month.
Great, thanks!
Would you mind taking a look at for example Nuvem and Wink this month?
Or pick some other yet unclaimed
Hi Jukka...
I also added myself, but as being a Mentor of CloudStack I would rather
take (shepherdZ: DeltaSpike, Nuvem, Wink) while Dave Fisher takes (shepherdY:
CloudStack, NPanday, VCL)
Dave would you please ACK that ?
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Jukka Zitting
In the Board agenda, we have a line where each Director can state they have
reviewed the report (before the meeting). They can also append queries and
comments. Little mini-discussions kinda happen in those comments.
Point here is: provide a similar location for IPMC members (including
shepherds)
On May 3, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
OK, so let's see how this works out in practice. We have 19 podling
reports to review by next Wednesday (Ambari is still empty).
To keep the required effort down to a reasonable level, I divided
these to six slots of three reports
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
...
The resulting TODOs are (see also the May2012 wiki page):
- jukka: Airavata, Droids, SIS, Wookie, Zeta Components
- rgardler: Amber, PhotArk
- mfranklin:
On May 4, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
Hi Jukka...
I also added myself, but as being a Mentor of CloudStack I would rather
take (shepherdZ: DeltaSpike, Nuvem, Wink) while Dave Fisher takes (shepherdY:
CloudStack, NPanday, VCL)
Dave would you please ACK that ?
Sorry
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
In the Board agenda, we have a line where each Director can state they have
reviewed the report (before the meeting). They can also append queries and
comments. Little mini-discussions kinda happen in those comments.
Point
for podling reports. It provides more review for the
Incubator PMC itself, in order to determine what it needs to do. Then
it kicks the result up to the Board and starts to perform the Action
Items that fell out of those reports.
My concern was on the notion of permanently assigning a shepherd
Hi,
OK, so let's see how this works out in practice. We have 19 podling
reports to review by next Wednesday (Ambari is still empty).
To keep the required effort down to a reasonable level, I divided
these to six slots of three reports each and divided them among me,
Ross and Matt and three other
Added my name, but, haven't mentors already kind of volunteered for this by
virtue that they are mentoring?
Matt Hogstrom
m...@hogstrom.org
A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine
On May 2, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Ross
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org wrote:
Added my name,
Great, thanks!
Would you mind taking the role of shepherdX this month and giving a
closer look at Clerezza, Lucene.NET and Syncope?
but, haven't mentors already kind of volunteered for this by virtue
On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org wrote:
Added my name,
Great, thanks!
Would you mind taking the role of shepherdX this month and giving a
closer look at Clerezza, Lucene.NET and Syncope?
but,
Hi,
In order to better share the effort of reviewing podling reports and
giving constructive feedback where needed, I'd like to propose
something like the shepherd model the ASF board is using for project
reports. For each report a single shepherd [*] is assigned
responsibility for a deeper
Jukka,
This is a good idea. I have signed up. I only ask you bear one thing
in mind. Some months active people here have lots of their own
podlings reporting, which takes quite a bit of time if done
diligently. When assigning shepherd each month please bear in mind how
many reports they are
Hi,
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
This is a good idea. I have signed up.
Excellent, thanks!
I only ask you bear one thing in mind. Some months active people here
have lots of their own podlings reporting, which takes quite a bit of time
if
On 2 May 2012 10:19, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
This is a good idea. I have signed up.
Excellent, thanks!
I only ask you bear one thing in mind. Some months active people here
have lots
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Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:54 AM
To: general
Subject: Shepherds for podling reports
Hi,
In order to better share the effort of reviewing podling reports and
giving constructive feedback where needed, I'd like
-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:24 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Shepherds for podling reports
On 2 May 2012 10:19, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:59
On 2 May 2012 12:50, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
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From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com]
...
Looking a little further forward i.e. not suggesting this initial
small step should be transformed into a larger step but rather looking
at
Hi,
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I don't imagine the bucketing to be enshrined in written process, or
even be fixed. More of a convenience. We might do it by, for example,
asking Shepherds to identify the projects they would *prefer* to
-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:09 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Shepherds for podling reports
On 2 May 2012 12:50, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
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On May 2, 2012 8:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
I don't imagine the bucketing to be enshrined in written process, or
even be fixed. More of a convenience. We might do it by, for example,
asking Shepherds to identify the projects they would *prefer* to
shepherd and
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 2, 2012 5:57 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 2, 2012 8:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
I don't imagine the bucketing to be enshrined in written process, or
even be fixed. More of a
there is value in the
long term plan as expressed during the incubator reboot discussions. But
you make a strong argument as to why the shepherds process is the wrong
place to hang this particular goal.
Hrm. Maybe I wasn't clear: I completely support the notion of
shepherds for podling reports. It provides
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