On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote:
> Ryan Hill wrote:
> > These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW.
>
> I'm sure everyone is busy and this is already in the works, but updating the
> list page [1] would be helpful as well -- along with any other
"Eric Polino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:02:56 -0400:
> On 7/19/07, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "Eric Polino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
>> below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:52:16 -0400:
>>
>> > Yes t
On 7/19/07, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Eric Polino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:52:16 -0400:
>> OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional
>> packages to support them, shipping with everything on just beca
Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:11:38 -0600:
> Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>
>> gentoo-project
>> gentoo-dev-announce
>
> These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW.
Thanks. I checked earlier and didn't s
"Eric Polino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:52:16 -0400:
>> OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional
>> packages to support them, shipping with everything on just because it's
>> possible is not the Gentoo way. Tha
On Thursday 19 July 2007, Duncan wrote:
> OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional
> packages to support them, shipping with everything on just because it's
> possible is not the Gentoo way. That's what USE flags are for.
USE flags are not for controlling dependencies, t
Ryan Hill wrote:
> These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW.
I'm sure everyone is busy and this is already in the works, but updating the
list page [1] would be helpful as well -- along with any other documentation
that might be appropriate.
Is there a concise descr
Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> gentoo-project
> gentoo-dev-announce
These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW.
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On 7/19/07, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
joshua jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:10:35 -0700:
> Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was
> nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the de
joshua jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:10:35 -0700:
> Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was
> nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to
> what most people would consider sane
On Thu, 2007-19-07 at 15:22 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:02 -0600, Jim Ramsay wrote:
> > I'm all for doing it now in the profile, but it's not my package.
> > Perhaps someone from the net-im herd can make this decision?
>
> Well, as someone who spends a lot of time wor
On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> i dont think he'll accept, but i dont see Flameeyes name yet ...
his ISP decided to poop on him for a while, so he contacted me off list to say
he accepts
-mike
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Eric Polino wrote:
> Not sure if this fits in to what you're talking about, but I do know
> that as myself a "would like to me maintainer someday", I'm somewhat
> lost as to knowing how I can get involved and who I need to talk to.
>
Your best starting point is #gentoo-dev-help (if you need to tal
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:02 -0600, Jim Ramsay wrote:
> I'm all for doing it now in the profile, but it's not my package.
> Perhaps someone from the net-im herd can make this decision?
Well, as someone who spends a lot of time working on/with profiles, I
say go for it. Since these changes would on
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
> Now the new deal is meeting the same resistance just like the proctors
> and I suspect it will fail too. Gentoo needs to listen to the people.
No.
Gentoo needs to make intelligent decisions, whether it comes from a
single individual or an army do
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 23:11 +0100, George Prowse wrote:
> Mike Doty wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate.
>
> I have a question for in here. Now this is (rightly) going to -project,
> are any devs actually going to comment on the discussion?
Th
Mike Doty wrote:
[snip]
get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate.
I have a question for in here. Now this is (rightly) going to -project,
are any devs actually going to comment on the discussion?
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Eric Polino wrote:
> Alright, well I appreciate all the thought and discussion that
> exploded about this problem. The pidgin team appreciates it. Though
> I'm sorry to say I'm not up to speed with all this Gentoo talk. I
> gather that when IUSE defaults come out, the ability to specify
> defaul
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:22:19 +0100
George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not
see the question or not respond. Those that both see the question
and take time to respond are highly atypical.
If you were clever
George Prowse wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500
>> Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
of the user base in general.
>>> So if ten users reply then, are all ten in
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On 7/19/07, Marijn Schouten (hkBst) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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joshua jackson wrote:
> Jakub Moc wrote:
>> Petteri Rýty napsal(a):
>>> Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
>>> implemented.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Petteri
>>
Alright, well I appreciate all the thought and discussion that
exploded about this problem. The pidgin team appreciates it. Though
I'm sorry to say I'm not up to speed with all this Gentoo talk. I
gather that when IUSE defaults come out, the ability to specify
default USE flags on a per package
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:22:19 +0100
George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not
> > see the question or not respond. Those that both see the question
> > and take time to respond are highly atypical.
>
> If you were clever enough an
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500
Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
of the user base in general.
So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too?
Not my point. My p
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 21:59 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> The set of people who respond is
> heavily skewed towards better-informed users who have time to seek out
> and participate in that kind of questioning.
Fair point, but the more better-informed users we have, the better it is
for everyon
On Thursday, 19. July 2007 22:39, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> > Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> > > Associate an irc-channel with each package.
> Associate how? Sounds like a lot of work at the least and a lot of
> cruft at the worst.
It could be included in the herds.xml:
kde
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500
Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
> > of the user base in general.
>
> So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too?
Not my point. My point is that m
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 15:45 -0500, Dale wrote:
> I just decided to grow a pair today and speak up.
That right there is the most important thing you could have done. I hope
more users and devs decide to speak up about things.
Thanks,
Seemant
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100
> George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users...
>> ask them!
>>
>
> Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
> of the user base in genera
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100
George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users...
ask them!
Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
of the user base in general.
that is why the pro
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:36:34 +0100
Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> > Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such
> > Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't
> > need to go and annoy upstream.
In #gentoo we *
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100
George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users...
> ask them!
Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
of the user base in general.
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Steve Long wrote:
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such
Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't need to
go and annoy upstream. Associate an irc-channel with each package. Most
packages have a herd associated wi
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such
> Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't need to
> go and annoy upstream. Associate an irc-channel with each package. Most
> packages have a herd associated with them which
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:08:20 +0200
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So just start using IUSE defaults! There's no problem with doing it
> at once since it can be considered as a part of EAPI=0.
No, IUSE defaults are EAPI 1.
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On 19/07/07, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unfortunately, that is the state we're currently in with regards to our
> profiles and the tree. I know I would *love* to see us start using IUSE
> defaults as soon as possible in the tree.
So just start using IUSE de
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2007-07-19 18:52:59 Chris Gianelloni napisał(a):
> On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 12:19 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> > Petteri Räty napsal(a):
> > > Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
> > > implemented.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Pet
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 12:19 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Petteri Räty napsal(a):
> > Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
> > implemented.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Petteri
>
> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree.
> Plus, what vapier said, this
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joshua jackson wrote:
> Jakub Moc wrote:
>> Petteri Rýty napsal(a):
>>> Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
>>> implemented.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Petteri
>> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tr
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Jakub Moc wrote:
> Petteri Räty napsal(a):
>> Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
>> implemented.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Petteri
>
> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree.
> Plus, what vapier said,
Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:19:11 +0200
> Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree.
>> Plus, what vapier said, this info belongs to the ebuilds, not to
>> profiles.
>
> What, it belongs in multiple ebuild fi
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:19:11 +0200
Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree.
> Plus, what vapier said, this info belongs to the ebuilds, not to
> profiles.
What, it belongs in multiple ebuild files, rather than a single profile
file
Jakub Moc kirjoitti:
> Petteri Räty napsal(a):
>> Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
>> implemented.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Petteri
>
> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree.
> Plus, what vapier said, this info belongs to the ebuilds, not to
Petteri Räty napsal(a):
> Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
> implemented.
>
> Regards,
> Petteri
As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree.
Plus, what vapier said, this info belongs to the ebuilds, not to profiles.
Wrt pidgin - seriously
Luca Barbato kirjoitti:
> Eric Polino wrote:
>> Would it be possible to have all the protocols for net-im/pidgin
>> turned on by default. We often get people coming to #pidgin looking
>> for help as to why they can't get MSN or some other protocol working.
>> It most often is because they haven't
Welcome back Sven!!! Nice to have you with us once again :)
On 7/19/07, josé Alberto Suárez López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Glad to see you back :)
El jue, 19-07-2007 a las 00:22 +0300, Petteri Räty escribió:
> Your doc zombie Sven Vermeulen has risen from his grave and is back to
> beat www.g
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:22:56AM +0300, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Your doc zombie Sven Vermeulen has risen from his grave and is back to
> beat www.gentoo.org/doc/en with his fingers. Give him the usual welcome
> with nice head shots.
Where's Chainsaw when you need him?
Really great to see you're b
Eric Polino wrote:
> Would it be possible to have all the protocols for net-im/pidgin
> turned on by default. We often get people coming to #pidgin looking
> for help as to why they can't get MSN or some other protocol working.
> It most often is because they haven't enabled the given protocol USE
Glad to see you back :)
El jue, 19-07-2007 a las 00:22 +0300, Petteri Räty escribió:
> Your doc zombie Sven Vermeulen has risen from his grave and is back to
> beat www.gentoo.org/doc/en with his fingers. Give him the usual welcome
> with nice head shots.
>
> Regards,
> Petteri
>
> PS. I tried b
On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 01:53 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
> Does this mean that any user-set "-march" flag is overridden for these
> cases? Just curious.
Thanks for the explanations given, Mike, Ioannis, Ryan, and Andre! I'm
much clearer on the isue now. :]
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# Alin Năstac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (19 Jul 2007)
# Dead upstream, forked in net-dialup/xl2tpd.
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