Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 06:20:41PM -0400, Mark Loeser wrote: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org said: I agree. But Python 3.1 doesn't have more issues than Python 2.6, so the stabilization is reasonable. And how about all of the packages in the tree that use python?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] paludis and portage in gentoo statistics

2009-08-04 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 08:58:48PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:31:21 +0200 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: You seem to be hitting upon it with the 'global configuration' things. Pretty much everything in Paludis is a per-package setting, with wildcards

Re: [gentoo-dev] Preparing profiles for EAPI 3 IUSE strictness

2009-07-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 02:08:01AM -0400, Andrew D Kirch wrote: Ciaran, I've talked with the pkgcore people and they don't use the EAPI's (or PMS) in the first place. No clue who you talked to, but they weren't speaking for pkgcore- I speak for pkgcore pretty much solely. Pkgcore

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 09:43:53PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:29:39 +0200 Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org wrote: Which groups who would like to be able to contribute currently feel that they can't, why do they feel that and why haven't they said so? For

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] rsync support for fetching binary packages

2009-05-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:47:45PM +0300, Amit Dor-Shifer wrote: Hi. Looking at getbinpkg.py, I see that BINPKGs can be retrieved using http/s s/ftp. I'm wondering about rsync, as it is mostly supported across portage (and also in layman). Is there some design reasoning behind this lack of

Re: [gentoo-dev] PKG-INFO (Was: PMS EAPI 3 more or less ready)

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 02:57:34PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:56:08 +0300 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: Ok. So people should then be using has_version in pkg_info if they want to detect if it's installed or not? If they absolutely totally need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for April 23

2009-04-17 Thread Brian Harring
Mind you my opinion... On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:32:42PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:27:30 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: EAPI 4: Inclusion of prefix-related variables While I'm a fan of prefix, a stronger case for existing implementation

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2009-04-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 06:31:59PM +0200, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: As for EAPI=3 the only thing I've got a question on for now is Councils opinion on bug 264130 (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264130) would be appreciated- seems to have stalled out although the benefits are well

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for February 26

2009-02-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:19:20AM -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 23:12 Tue 24 Feb , Donnie Berkholz wrote: Here's the preliminary agenda. I'm running a bit behind on -dev, so it's a little out of date re GLEPs 54/55. People including lu_zero, cardoe, dev-zero, and tanderson should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:21:23AM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: My notes so far: 1) Status quo - does not allow changing inherit - bash version in global scope - global scope in general is quite locked down 2) EAPI in file extension - Allows changing global scope and the internal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for February 26

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:42:38PM +0100, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le mardi 24 février 2009 à 09:47 -0800, Brian Harring a écrit : On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:26:48PM -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd 4th Thursdays at 2000

Re: [gentoo-dev] eapi function (Was: Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives)

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:03:07PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:49:51 -0800 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: 4) eapi as a function; instead of EAPI=1, do eapi 1, required as the first statement (simplest way). Doesn't solve anything over having

Re: [gentoo-dev] eapi function (Was: Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives)

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:11:04AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:02:46 -0800 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: Bullshit. First invocation of the ebuild, that means it can do whatever it wants to the environment- literally swapping in the EAPI environment

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: bzr.eclass

2009-02-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 08:45:28PM +0100, Christian Faulhammer wrote: if [[ ${EBZR_REPO_URI} == */* ]]; then repository=${EBZR_REPO_URI}/${EBZR_BRANCH} elif [[ -n ${EBZR_BRANCH} ]] ; then ... else ... fi If I see this correctly, this appends EBZR_BRANCH if there is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 09:38:06AM +0100, Tiziano M??ller wrote: What is proposed in glep-55 seems to aim to solve both issues at the same time (it isn't stated) by switching file extension every time the eapi is changed. This is slightly against the principle of the least surprise and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:28:00PM +0900, Douglas Anderson wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Tiziano Müller dev-z...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Montag, den 23.02.2009, 22:25 +1300 schrieb Alistair Bush: Tiziano Müller wrote: What is proposed in glep-55 seems to aim to solve both issues

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 01:50:10PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:26:49 -0800 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: There also is the angle that deploying g55 requires waiting at least a full stage release (~year, at least by the old standards) to ensure people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for compression handling

2009-02-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:03:28PM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If there's an inclusion list and an exclusion list, there's only a need to delete things from the exclusion list if the exclusion list has bad initial values, and never any need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] DIGESTS metadata variable for cache validation

2009-02-14 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 02:01:24AM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:55:51PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: Brian Harring wrote: Frankly, forget compatibility- the current format could stand to die. The repository format is an ever growing mess- leave

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] DIGESTS metadata variable for cache validation

2009-02-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:55:51PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:55:41AM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: All that I can say right now is that I recall questions about it in the past from overlay maintainers (I don't have a list) and the funtoo project

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] DIGESTS metadata variable for cache validation

2009-02-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:55:41AM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: All that I can say right now is that I recall questions about it in the past from overlay maintainers (I don't have a list) and the funtoo project is the only one which I can name offhand. However, the ability to distribute cache

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] equery: deprecate --category filtering in belongs

2009-02-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 02:07:08PM +0900, Douglas Anderson wrote: Hi, does anyone use --category filtering in equery belongs? I want to get rid of it, or at least deprecate it. My reasoning: * We use 'equery belongs' when don't know to what package a file belongs. Even if we have a

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] equery: deprecate --category filtering in belongs

2009-02-07 Thread Brian Harring
patch attached against 0.2.4.2-r1; rough stats follow; full cold cache [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/equery in *... ] app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.4.2-r1 (/usr/bin/equery) real0m10.320s user0m0.733s sys 0m0.162s [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/equery in app-portage... ]

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] How to extract the version/revision of an installed package?

2008-11-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:05:21PM +0200, Amit Dor-Shifer wrote: Given the following: # qlist -Iv sys-apps/portage sys-apps/portage-2.1.4.5 How do I safely extract the 2.1.4.5? (I don't necessarily need to use qlist. Just want to get the version of an installed package within a bash

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 is brokened :(

2008-10-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 10:53:13PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:47:36 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Unfortunately Portage and Pkgcore have broken EAPI 2 implementations. snip Ciaran, I would think at this point you

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 is brokened :(

2008-10-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 11:34:59PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:22:19 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where exactly is this sky is falling issue you're worried about? Bugs happen. It means anyone using EAPI 2 now is going to encounter severe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects without a homepage, and valid contents of HOMEPAGE (per bug 239268)

2008-10-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Steve Long wrote: Robert Buchholz wrote: On Sunday 05 October 2008, Thilo Bangert wrote: Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:44:20 -0700 Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either we need special cases to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI-2 and src_configure in eclasses

2008-10-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 05:07:21PM +0100, Steve Long wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:38:11 +0200 Ulrich Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, do we really want to special case eapi-2 in every eclass ? That's lot of code duplication and will get even worse

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Merging or overwriting KEYWORDS from eclass

2008-06-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:05:39PM +0200, Tiziano M??ller wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 01:53:55AM +0200, Robert Buchholz wrote: Hi, I've stumbled upon an inconsitency between package managers the other day [1], which was due to both an ebuild and an eclass

Re: [gentoo-dev] Merging or overwriting KEYWORDS from eclass

2008-06-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 01:53:55AM +0200, Robert Buchholz wrote: Hi, I've stumbled upon an inconsitency between package managers the other day [1], which was due to both an ebuild and an eclass defining inconsisting KEYWORDS. bla-1.ebuild: inherit myeclass KEYWORDS=~arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:32:20AM +0100, David Leverton wrote: On Friday 13 June 2008 11:23:29 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:49 PM, David Leverton There's a reason for Paludis not accepting them, and the same reason applies to the question of allowing them in PMS or

Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:43:39AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Anyway pkgcore and portage devs, I'd like your opinion on this point. Custom repository is how I intended to implement this; the upshot of the version translation is that the resultant vdb version is managable by any PM, regardless

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:16:51AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:12:47 +0200 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Package manager maintainers refusing to do basic testing before claiming support for a new EAPI has very messy consequences. If

Re: [gentoo-dev] eapi1 bug/pkgcore sucks thread [was EAPI-2 - Let's get it started]

2008-06-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:39:21AM +0200, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: On 12 Jun 2008, at 04:16, Brian Harring wrote: Why the exherbo/paludis/PMS folk decided to go this route to report, I'm not quite sure aside from assuming they're just griefers. s-exherbo/paludis/PMS-pkgcore-g

Re: [gentoo-dev] eapi1 bug/pkgcore sucks thread [was EAPI-2 - Let's get it started]

2008-06-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:02:52AM -0400, Thomas Anderson wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:16:05PM -0700, Brian Harring wrote: I'm not quite sure how you're trying to present this, but are you really trying to say that EAPI 1 isn't documented? I myself found this in pms.pdf in 2 minutes(it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:09:43AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 04:11 Wed 11 Jun , Brian Harring wrote: if the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral* standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, Anyone working on a package manager

Re: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:14:21PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: TeX isnt a format that integrates with Gentoo. should just convert it to docbook and be done with this garbage. I've not looked, but is anyone aware of a simple way to integrate this doc into the gentoo web hierarchy? Pdf's are

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:06:17AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote: This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC). If you're supposed to show

Re: [gentoo-dev] extending existing EAPI semantics

2008-06-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 06:51:46AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:46:39 +0200 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:33:41 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lay out how .006/.6 would work properly *per* eapi

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 02:00:19PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:49:19 +0200 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is Create tests for EAPI=1 stuff. not a way to describe how to reproduce a problem? because EAPI1 isn't specified completely so you don't have

[gentoo-dev] eapi1 bug/pkgcore sucks thread [was EAPI-2 - Let's get it started]

2008-06-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:00:16PM +0100, David Leverton wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008 02:46:03 Jim Ramsay wrote: David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since at least one ebuild has already been modified specifically to work around the bug, I'd say it's pretty real. For those of

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 05:54:49PM +0100, Richard Brown wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 17:39, Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this point, we should really only discuss features that all 3 package managers have implemented. I'm not sure that's a good idea, only two have

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 01:42:34AM +0200, Bo ??rsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 01:03:47 Marius Mauch wrote: Things I believe should be trivial to implement: - Custom output names in SRC_URI, also called arrows (bug #177863) This I'd definitely delay as it probably

[gentoo-dev] extending existing EAPI semantics

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
Bit curious what folks opinions are re: conversion of eapi requirements into a function, instead of a var. Essentially, currently- #my ebuild. EAPI=1 inherit blah DEPEND=monkey funcs_and_such(){:;} pros: * simple, and was enough to get EAPI off the ground w/out massive fighting (at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] extending existing EAPI semantics

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:20:04AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:56:23 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * easy to shoehorn in for any profile.bashrc compliant manager (portage/pkgcore); realize paludis is left out here (via it intentionally being left

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:26:55PM -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: Let's try to aim to do an EAPI=2 sometime soonish since Portage now has USE flag depends in version 2.2 which is looming on the horizon. It'd be nice to hit the ground running with supporting these. I know it'll be trivial for

Re: [gentoo-dev] extending existing EAPI semantics

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:38:01AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:33:11 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * doesn't address versioning changes. Or indeed any change where the ebuild can't be visible to older package managers without breaking them

Re: [gentoo-dev] extending existing EAPI semantics

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
You actually pretty much completely misinterpreted what I was saying, so inserting the example back into the email and trying again... On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:25:55AM -0400, Mike Kelly wrote: Brian Harring wrote: One thing I'll note is that the .ebuild-$EAPI approach isn't the end all fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] extending existing EAPI semantics

2008-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
Kindly respond to the rest of the email first of all... On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 06:22:31AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:16:21 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, there is absolutely no reason for all future EAPIs to be a superset of old eapis

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:26:44AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 01:13:58 +0200 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know exactly which standard -ffast-math violates (IEEE/ISO floating point spec) and how (the man page is quite complete about this), --as-needed

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-30 Thread Brian Harring
While we can continually loop around w/ the --as-needed is evil since c++ does this one odd thing occasionally argument, why not hear from the folks using it, specifically finding out what breaks in their usage? Ciaran: yes, just because the tree works now w/ --as-needed doesn't mean that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 02:50:20AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:43:56 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So... folks have pointed out a benefit to using --as-needed. But they haven't. They've pointed out a flaw in libtool that is sort of worked around

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 08:45:09AM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:28:27 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fact: It works. Unlike your vapour-proposal to fix libtool. But it

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 02:03:45AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Requested attendees === PMS: ciaranm, pkgcore dev, portage dev, any other tools that care about versions Might I suggest that if PMS is going to be discussed, a copy of PMS.pdf actually be available

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:01:19PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 03:57:16 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 02:03:45AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Requested attendees === PMS: ciaranm, pkgcore dev, portage dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:44:53PM +0200, Santiago M. Mola wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If PMS is going to be discussed in some form, it's a fair request that folks have an easily readable version. Here you have latest pms revision built

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:23:39PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 04:15:10 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If PMS is going to be discussed in some form, it's a fair request that folks have an easily readable version. The relevant sentence was provided. Had

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserving mtimes

2008-05-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 01:52:19AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 07 May 2008 00:44:28 +0200 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I think that would be the correct thing to do, but either way I'd like PMS to specify what should happen wrt to mtimes, so that I can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dependencies that're available at pkg_*inst

2008-04-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 12:57:28AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:38:06 +0200 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what the general use of pkg_preinst is, but in pkg_postinst the package itself should be runnable, so its RDEPENDS should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] explicit -r0 in ebuild filename

2008-03-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 05:40:44AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:16:51 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contrasting tabs vs spaces is a whole other matter. One of the things you attempted to do in splitting PMS was to force certain technical tweaks

Re: [gentoo-dev] explicit -r0 in ebuild filename

2008-03-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:59:39PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sunday 30 March 2008, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: those arent the same thing. -r# is a Gentoo-specific revision marking. _alpha/_rc/etc... are used to track upstream. if upstream

Re: [gentoo-dev] explicit -r0 in ebuild filename

2008-03-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:46:33AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:40:46 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont particularly care about -r0, i'm just stating that banning _alpha0/etc... is not acceptable. Lay out your reasons please; the meaning

Re: [gentoo-dev] explicit -r0 in ebuild filename

2008-03-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 01:06:02AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:02:16 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the PV does. PV varying first of all, isn't incredibly grand from where I'm sitting- yet more any versionator style code has to account

Re: [gentoo-dev] explicit -r0 in ebuild filename

2008-03-29 Thread Brian Harring
Reordering the email a bit... On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 03:48:11AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:39:02 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I'm emailing -dev is to ensure there is consensus on leaving off an explicit -r0 in the ebuild name- long term

Re: [gentoo-dev] explicit -r0 in ebuild filename

2008-03-29 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 04:20:57AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:12:37 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What this email is about is the inconsistancy allowed on disk and the fact explicitly leaving -r0 out of on disk name thus far seems

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: RFC: New build types

2008-03-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 06:51:13AM +, Steve Long wrote: Rémi Cardona wrote: Steve Long a écrit : First and foremost to give an environment wherein people can write their installation scripts using the language they are most comfortable with. If bash is not easy or straightforward

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: One request for the next SoC: non already-devs students

2008-03-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 08:57:03PM +0100, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: On Sunday, 02. March 2008 20:25:09 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Do we inspire them by telling them that anybody who has made this choice in the past is not to be rewarded financially for doing so? This brings up a

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] relying on vdb only

2008-02-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 12:58:51PM +0100, Selckin wrote: On Monday 11 February 2008 12:50:39 Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 09:48:01AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote: Well, the idea that devs will have to revbump packages just for RDEPEND version restrictions so that portage

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] relying on vdb only

2008-02-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 09:48:01AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote: Hi, reading comments on bug 209538, I've seen this dangerous thing from Zac: Once these issues are solved it will be nice if we can rely exclusively on the dependencies from /var/db/pkg. Well, the idea that devs will have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 01:37:28PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten?? wrote: Santiago M. Mola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having a complete deptree and having a small system package set should be independent goals, maybe your proposal should focus on making possible to have a deptree as

Re: [gentoo-dev] has_version etc parallelisability

2008-01-04 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 02:28:44PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:11:16 -0800 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/30/07, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it legal for ebuilds to call has_version and friends in parallel? Is it legal for ebuilds to

Re: [gentoo-dev] New PDEPEND behaviour.

2007-07-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 02:08:39PM +0200, Piotr Jaroszy??ski wrote: Hello, As a result of bug #180045 PDEPENDs can be now merged even before the package that pulls them. Zmedico says that's intended behaviour and PDEPEND is really a RDEPEND, but with a ability to resolve circular deps:

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [RFC] Properties of package sets

2007-06-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:03:54PM -0700, Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 05:07 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: - should sets be supported everywhere, or only in selected use cases? (everywhere would include depstrings for example) Please NO. emerge.py should know about sets but ebuild.py

Re: [gentoo-dev] guidline to set a timeline of removal of ebuild from stable tree

2007-06-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 04:35:31PM +0200, Robert Buchholz wrote: The problem is rather that the patches are gone from the distfiles mirror after two weeks. The sources often stay upstream, but could also be gone. Is there an archive for these files I missed? That archive ('purgatory' being

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Should _p0 be allowed as a version suffix?

2007-05-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 04:10:56PM +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: On Sat, 05 May 2007 18:40:13 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's sure we talking about the same thing when we say implicit _p0. The patch attached to bug 171259 will make ntp-4.2.4_p0 greater than ntp-4.2.4,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 news item for review: Radiant upgrade

2007-05-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 07:21:02PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 6 May 2007 14:17:29 -0400 Dan Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which elog could easily be extended to do. But which elog does not do by default, and for good reason. and what good reason would that be?

Re: [gentoo-dev] tests

2007-05-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 12:55:05AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: You're talking implementation details. This isn't the time for that! No-one has worked out what, if anything, is to be done, so you can't know how much work whatever it is is. Having said that, there's no need to figure it out

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-25 Thread Brian Harring
@council; cross posting to provide the reasoning, if discussion continues on council ml, kindly cc me (unsubscribed long ago). Technical discussion (which should be the basis of why it was banned should be on dev ml imo). On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:11:44PM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Hi all,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:40:55PM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 5. April 2007 20:20 schrieb Mike Doty: Torsten Veller wrote: * Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: apparent decline of QA in our packages. Why do you want this to be a council topic if it wasn't even a topic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 12:16:18AM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: * There is at least one outstanding QA issue that i know of which is related to Portage and can't be fixed w/o slot deps properly. Read: KDE's problems with ranged deps and the way it currently breaks the vdb's RDEPEND

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 12:41:50AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: Brian Harring wrote: Breaking EAPI=0 via pushing slot deps in isn't much of an option in my opinion; usual needs to have been on release media for at least 6 We can push for an EAPI=1 == (EAPI=0 + slot deps)... Can, yep

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:04:57PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:47:46 +0200 Thomas Rösner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other things I want from Gentoo right now depend on factors other than the package manager, too; prebuilt packages A package manager that supports a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 01:44:24PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:35:51 +0100 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I find it amusing that no-one complaining about this has actually asked to see it. I think ferringb did, just not very

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 01:46:56PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:51:27 +0100 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I'd like it spelt out please. Here we go: So why not start by imposing deadlines upon more important projects like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-03 Thread Brian Harring
General suggestion ciaran, calm the hell down and just wait for the council. Not helping your case for why you think I shouldn't see the stupid thing at all with rants like this (not saying I want you to succeed in blocking me from the doc mind you). On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 02:14:11PM +,

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Improvement suggestion for emerge: Not using a new connection for every file

2007-02-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 05:55:47PM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 10:00:29PM +0100, Beginner wrote: I recommend not to use wget and not to reconnect to the server for every single packet, but to hold the connection therefore spare traffic and download more fast. If

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 04:13:11AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:04:37 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm saying that until there is an independent implementation, the | specification is worthless and will contain huge numbers of errors. | | Seriously?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 02:43:57PM +0100, Thomas R??sner wrote: Brian Harring schrieb: On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 04:13:11AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:04:37 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm saying that until there is an independent implementation

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Global ebuild variables and pkg_setup

2007-02-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 09:04:04AM +0100, Christian Faulhammer wrote: Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sadly this feature was removed from portage again - nice to see it coming up again. Please fix or point out ebuilds that are broken. Yep. Could someone compile a list (with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 05:07:22PM +0100, Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 14:26 schrieb Brian Harring: On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 04:13:11AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:04:37 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | In process terms, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 08:11:34PM +0100, Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 17:41 schrieb Brian Harring: Further, getting away from the daft FUD we're trying to 'replace the ebuild format' that was leveled. Also have a look at our statements regarding overlays again

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages not yet converted to Manifest2

2007-02-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 03:16:27PM +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: While Diego did an awesome job with converting many packages to Manifest2 there are still about 400 packages that aren't converted yet. If you maintain any package in the attached list please update it to use Manifest2. To

EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 03:11:20PM +, Steve Long wrote: Before you go- were you working on EAPI? I've been waiting ages on that.. No, that's spb's project (with apparent help from ciaranm). http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/PMS Possible they've gone and shifted the name (or disabled

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 03:52:07PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:49 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:35:32AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker | archs

Re: EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 03:49:56PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:24:54 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 03:11:20PM +, Steve Long wrote: | Before you go- were you working on EAPI? I've been waiting ages

Re: EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 05:22:59PM +, Stephen Bennett wrote: On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:24:54 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possible they've gone and shifted the name (or disabled notification); either way, think it's probably worth getting a status update on it in council

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: r5993 - main/trunk/pym/portage/dbapi

2007-02-18 Thread Brian Harring
round two of the patch, still is missing... On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 06:27:59PM +, Marius Mauch wrote: Author: genone Date: 2007-02-18 18:27:59 + (Sun, 18 Feb 2007) New Revision: 5993 Modified: main/trunk/pym/portage/dbapi/vartree.py Log: extend check for internal references,

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: r5993 - main/trunk/pym/portage/dbapi

2007-02-18 Thread Brian Harring
Bleh, pardon; left out a bit accidentally- On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:03:33AM -0800, Brian Harring wrote: On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 06:27:59PM +, Marius Mauch wrote: - for lib in preserve_libs.copy(): - old_contents_without_libs = [x for x

Re: [gentoo-dev] Google Summer of Code 2007

2007-02-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:19:04PM +, Dimitry Bradt wrote: Petteri Räty wrote: Maybe we should restrict people we approve to work on projects to existing Gentoo developers or to people with a history of contributions to bugzilla or overlays. This would at least increase the change that

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: r5975 - FEATURES=preserve-libs

2007-02-17 Thread Brian Harring
Realize you didn't want comments upon the implementation, but tough cookies, already reviewed it; suckers in svn mainline anyways, thus it's fair game. Modified: main/trunk/pym/portage/dbapi/vartree.py === ---

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