On Wed, 19 Dec 2012, Brian Dolbec wrote:
just to clarify, I'm voting for...
/var/cache/distfiles
/var/cache/packages
Fine.
/var/cache/repositories/
/var/cache/repositories/gentoo == the main portage tree
/var/cache/repositories/local== the new location for a local overlay
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J.
Ulrich Mueller posted on Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:11:39 +0100 as excerpted:
Also I wonder if local overlays should be in /var/cache? It might not
always be possible to restore them.
Good point. My local overlay's in /usr/local/ (which is a dedicated
partition I actually keep several backups of,
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:39 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
/var/cache/repositories/local== the new location for a local overlay
Also I wonder if local overlays should be in /var/cache? It might not
always be possible to restore them.
So, this is the present /usr/local/portage? What's
On 12/20/2012 03:31 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote:
On
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:19:52 -0800
Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/19/2012 02:01 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:56:44 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
Just mv /usr/portage /var/portage ? FFS no. Among other things, as
many said before,
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:25 AM, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:39 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
/var/cache/repositories/local== the new location for a local overlay
Also I wonder if local overlays should be in /var/cache? It might not
always be
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote:
No one has proposed moving everything to /usr. At the minimum, we would
still have /etc and /var in /, as well as various mountpoints. If we do
move those to /usr, then we effectively renamed / to /usr, which is
pointless. The
On 12/20/2012 07:02 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote:
No one has proposed moving everything to /usr. At the minimum, we would
still have /etc and /var in /, as well as various mountpoints. If we do
move those to /usr, then we
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Rich Freeman wrote:
I actually like the /var/cache/repositories approach. You can always
add a symlink to it if you want to for convenience (as I already do
for /var/lib/portage/world). There is really nothing special about
/usr/portage, other than it being the
Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org writes:
On 12/19/2012 02:01 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
If we are going to move distfiles out of the tree into, what are the
odds of getting /some/path/portage/local to move somewhere else too?
What program uses this local directory? It's not used directly by
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 09:11 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012, Brian Dolbec wrote:
just to clarify, I'm voting for...
/var/cache/distfiles
/var/cache/packages
Fine.
/var/cache/repositories/
/var/cache/repositories/gentoo == the main portage tree
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On 20/12/12 10:37 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote:
/var/cache/repositories/ /var/cache/repositories/gentoo ==
the main portage tree /var/cache/repositories/local== the
new location for a local overlay
/var/cache/repositories/some-overlay ==
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On 20/12/12 10:37 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote:
/var/cache/repositories/ /var/cache/repositories/gentoo ==
the main portage tree /var/cache/repositories/local== the
new
On 20/12/2012 17:16, Michael Mol wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
/var/db/portage/repositories/{non-cache,repo,names,go,here}
+1
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Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò
flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 20/12/2012 17:16, Michael Mol wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
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On 12/20/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 20/12/12 10:37 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote:
/var/cache/repositories/ /var/cache/repositories/gentoo ==
the main portage tree
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On 20/12/12 11:25 AM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
On 12/20/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Ian Stakenvicius
a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 20/12/12 10:37 AM, Brian Dolbec
wrote:
/var/cache/repositories/
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
/var/db/portage/repositories/{non-cache,repo,names,go,here}
+1
-1
The subdirs are too deeply
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Diego Elio Pettenň wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such data
is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or
calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or restore
the data.
Now I wonder: After removal of e.g. the Portage tree from a system,
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 06:58:11AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:25 AM, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:39 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
/var/cache/repositories/local== the new location for a local overlay
Also I wonder if
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Michael Mol wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
/var/db/portage/repositories/{non-cache,repo,names,go,here}
-1
The subdirs are too deeply nested.
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
/var/db/portage/repositories/{non-cache,repo,names,go,here}
+1
-1
The subdirs are too deeply nested.
There is a practical advantage of having the
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On 20/12/12 12:27 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such
data is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or
calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:37:52 -0800
Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
My idea for having all repos under one directory is to make it easier
for a pkg manager to simply scan the directory to know all installed
overlays.
That's going to cause trouble, unless we start forcing overlays to
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On 20/12/12 12:52 PM, Vaeth wrote:
However, I have strong objections against using /var/cache at all:
FHS explicitly states:
Such data is locally generated ... The application must be able
to regenerate or restore the data.
emerge --sync
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 18:27 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such data
is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or
calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or restore
the data.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
On 20/12/12 12:27 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such
data is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or
calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:27:26 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such data
is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or
calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or restore
On Thursday 20 December 2012 13:36:27 Alan McKinnon wrote:
What program uses this local directory? It's not used directly by
portage itself, though portage has an exclude for it in the default
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS setting
(in /usr/share/portage/config/make.globals).
It goes back a long
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On 20/12/12 01:12 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
What about /usr/portage/licenses, for example? Some of the
licenses are required to be present on the system if the
corresponding software is installed. So users cannot legally remove
them.
...
On 20 December 2012 17:44, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Michael Mol wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
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On 20/12/12 01:18 PM, George Shapovalov wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2012 13:36:27 Alan McKinnon wrote:
What program uses this local directory? It's not used
directly by portage itself, though portage has an exclude for
it in the default
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:44:06 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
There's no good reason for nesting it so deeply. As it is proposed
above, /var/cache/portage would contain only two subdirectories, and
/var/cache/portage/repositories only a single gentoo on a stable
system. Also
On 20/12/2012 19:19, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
... well, along those lines, the list of licenses are not pertinent
to the system unless the software that relates to them is installed;
maybe emerge should automatically during the merge phase ensure the
license files are copied to the main system
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:31 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 06:58:11AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:25 AM, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:39 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:44:06 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
There's no good reason for nesting it so deeply. As it is proposed
above, /var/cache/portage would contain only two subdirectories, and
/var/cache/portage/repositories only a single gentoo on a
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
We should go with a shorter (easier to remember, easier to type) path
and move things at least one level up. Two would be even better.
You shouldn't ever be typing that path in...
Ebuilds tell users to do so:
pkg_nofetch() {
einfo Please
On Thursday 20 December 2012 13:21:11 Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
Nope, he means /usr/portage/local, not /usr/local/portage.
Alan's description *was* for /usr/portage/local
Really? It matches /usr/local/portage pretty well. How did it come around
then? We had /usr/local/portage for ages for
On 12/20/2012 06:12 AM, Graham Murray wrote:
Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org writes:
On 12/19/2012 02:01 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
If we are going to move distfiles out of the tree into, what are the
odds of getting /some/path/portage/local to move somewhere else too?
What program uses this
Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
Such data is locally generated ... The application must be able
to regenerate or restore the data.
emerge --sync -- regenerates/restores the portage tree
Perhaps my English is too poor, but IMHO
download != regenerate/restore.
Indeed, the FHS also emphasizes only
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On 20/12/12 01:55 PM, George Shapovalov wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2012 13:21:11 Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
Nope, he means /usr/portage/local, not /usr/local/portage.
Alan's description *was* for /usr/portage/local
Really? It matches
On 12/20/2012 03:36 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:19:52 -0800
Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/19/2012 02:01 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:56:44 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
Just mv /usr/portage /var/portage ? FFS no.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/18/2012 11:58 PM, Duncan wrote:
I didn't know that. Last I knew, stable portage had special-case
acceptance of @system and @world to prepare the way, but I hadn't seen
that full /etc/portage/sets/* and
On 12/20/2012 12:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/18/2012 11:58 PM, Duncan wrote:
I didn't know that. Last I knew, stable portage had special-case
acceptance of @system and @world to prepare the way, but I hadn't seen
that
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 20/12/12 01:12 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
What about /usr/portage/licenses, for example? Some of the
licenses are required to be present on the system if the
corresponding software is installed. So users cannot legally
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:18:56 +0100
George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote:
It goes back a long time, and is basically a poor man's local
overlay without having to use layman. As I understand it, portage
will treat the directory like any other when looking for ebuilds
and resolving
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 12:23 -0800, Zac Medico escribió:
On 12/20/2012 12:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/18/2012 11:58 PM, Duncan wrote:
I didn't know that. Last I knew, stable portage had special-case
acceptance
On 12/20/2012 10:19 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
On 20/12/12 01:12 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
What about /usr/portage/licenses, for example? Some of the
licenses are required to be present on the system if the
corresponding software is installed. So users cannot legally remove
them.
...
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On 12/20/2012 03:25 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 20/12/12 01:12 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
What about /usr/portage/licenses, for example? Some of the
licenses are required to
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On 12/20/2012 01:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:27:26 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such data
is locally generated as a result of
On 12/20/2012 12:35 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 12:23 -0800, Zac Medico escribió:
On 12/20/2012 12:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/18/2012 11:58 PM, Duncan wrote:
I didn't know that. Last I knew,
We're drifting here, but the concept is that machine-local stuff like
configuration stays out of /usr, and generic distro stuff stays in
/usr.
A webserver for site1 vs site2 would be identical in /usr, but
different elsewhere.
That has always been the case. In fact people have tried to
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
If only a small subset of licenses require it, then maybe we should just
use dodoc on those licenses that require it. Saving all licenses could
be overkill.
Seems like a reasonable compromise. I would think such licenses
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:44:36 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
We should go with a shorter (easier to remember, easier to type)
path and move things at least one level up. Two would be even
better.
You shouldn't ever be typing that
Due araujo no longer taking care of them:
dev-lang/gnu-smalltalk
dev-lang/gwydion-dylan-bin
dev-lang/pike
dev-lang/io
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Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On 12/18/2012 11:58 PM, Duncan wrote:
I didn't know that. Last I knew, stable portage had special-case
acceptance of @system and @world to prepare
Ulrich Mueller schrieb:
Now I wonder: After removal of e.g. the Portage tree from a system,
it is generally not possible to restore it. (It can be refetched,
but not to its previous state.)
Is it required that the _exact_ _same_ _data_ will be regenerated? This
is not the case with most users
sorry for the format, this was
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On 2012-12-20, at 4:51 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:09:45 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On 12/18/2012
On 12/20/2012 03:00 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
sorry for the format, this was
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-12-20, at 4:51 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:09:45 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:16:25PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
On a personal note, if any copyright assignment was in place, I would
never have been able to become a Gentoo developer, and if it were to be
put into place, I do not think that I would be allowed to continue to be
one. I'm sure lots of
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
contributing to the
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:32:25AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:16:25PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
On a personal note, if any copyright assignment was in place, I would
never have been able to become a Gentoo developer, and if it were to be
put into place, I do not
Rich Freeman wrote:
I think the bar for keeping access should be kept low - they
shouldn't be forced to go find some trivial change to make just
to get their name in the logs.
When I first started looking into becoming a Gentoo developer I got a
very strong and very clear impression that this
Peter Stuge wrote:
I think the bar for keeping access should be kept low - they
shouldn't be forced to go find some trivial change to make just
to get their name in the logs.
When I first started looking into becoming a Gentoo developer I got a
very strong and very clear impression that
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:32:25AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
1. Are you party to any *copyright assignment* (eg FSF copyright assignment)?
You need to rephrase this to be (in order for it to make any sense):
Are you
On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
contributing to the distro in many ways other
Rich Freeman posted on Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:33:55 -0500 as excerpted:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org
wrote:
I could MAYBE understand it if they're consuming some valuable resource
that we need to free up by retiring them. But instead they get a
nasty-gram
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Do you realize that you just wrote a two-and-a-half page single-spaced
thousand-word email? Seriously, this is way too much. This mailing
list is way too much.
Alexandre Rostovtsev posted on Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:10:38 -0500 as
excerpted:
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 18:27 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such data
is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or
Matt Turner posted on Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:29:09 -0800 as excerpted:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Do you realize that you just wrote a two-and-a-half page single-spaced
thousand-word email? Seriously, this is way too much. This mailing list
is way too
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Duncan wrote:
The FHS says:
/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such
data is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or
calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or
restore the data.
I'd been wondering
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