Re: [gentoo-dev] [brainstorm] dev-lang internal package managers and portage

2013-01-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
If it was something feasible to do, it would have been done already. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov m...@mva.namewrote: Hi there! Long time ago I discovered that many language

Re: [gentoo-dev] Switching order of packages in virtual/pkgconfig

2013-01-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
the glibc-2.17 one.) -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] [brainstorm] dev-lang internal package managers and portage

2013-01-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Rails into account, as right now it doesn't. I know because it was trying to get an ebuild for Typo that I came to install my own blog (instead of using Gentoo Infra's b2evo) and thus create the monstrosity that you all know nowadays. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Local bindist descriptions

2012-12-31 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
. It's not patent-encumbered being the keyword, but the license incompatibility. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

2012-12-31 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 31/12/2012 15:17, Ben de Groot wrote: Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it forward and improved it this past year? Have we? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] emerge --depclean vs missing IUSE in older ebuild.. what exactly is right?

2012-12-31 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
It doesn't — I guess gdm should have used [consolekit?,systemd(-)?]. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Leho Kraav l...@kraav.com wrote: Hi all Just bumped into something I haven't encountered before. Running

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

2012-12-31 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 31/12/2012 17:22, Roy Bamford wrote: I'm older and more cynical than most on this list. In my mind, improvement means change but change is not always improvement. Thank you. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local bindist descriptions

2012-12-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 30/12/2012 04:03, Mike Gilbert wrote: That would be much more effective than a policy that may be (accidentally) ignored. +1 -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc-2.17: nscd is optional

2012-12-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
need to know to start it up anyway, so it should be fine with a default-off. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Gentoo and Github (Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) )

2012-12-29 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
We are. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Lastrites: media-sound/logitechmediaserver-bin, net-dialup/misdn, net-dialup/misdnuser, net-misc/asterisk-chan_misdn, www-apache/mod_authn_pam, www-apache/mo

2012-12-26 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
with the new API. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?

2012-12-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 24/12/2012 10:08, Ulrich Mueller wrote: /var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR Maybe /var/spool/binpkgs ? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?

2012-12-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 24/12/2012 14:32, Ulrich Mueller wrote: This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing. Not sure how /var/cache fits for binpkgs though, tbh. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?

2012-12-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
not get on with /srv right now please. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] gen_usr_ldscript --libdir=/lib

2012-12-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 24/12/2012 20:08, Mike Frysinger wrote: i.e. saying we should get rid of gen_usr_ldscript and use --libdir=/lib makes absolutely no sense. it's just begging for people to screw things up constantly and waste developer time for 0 gain. Amen. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2012-12-23 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
documentation on where to find the upstream documentation? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
this usually ends up being quite simple. I get to speak about that as somebody who retired, and was then re-instated. Going through the cycles was less bothersome than just growing the motivation to get back to Gentoo, so I can't see the point. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-20 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 20/12/2012 17:16, Michael Mol wrote: /var/cache/portage/distfiles /var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo /var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs} /var/db/portage/repositories/{non-cache,repo,names,go,here} +1 -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee

Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping licenses around

2012-12-20 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
in say /var/lib/licenses or similar? Why not in their own /var/db/pkg then? And +1 on this, it's something I was wondering myself some time ago. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
properly instead of how it looks cooler. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 19/12/2012 14:03, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: But, anyway, I think, /var/repositories/gentoo is very very nice idea ;) I'm going to repeat myself until this is shot down entirely. We're not going to create a new top-level directory in /var. Get over it. Stop. -- Diego Elio Pettenò

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
allocation requirements for the tree compared to distfiles, and I guess that if we put the tree there we could gain something even for /var/db/pkg by splitting it. Tree hierarchies are there to make things more easily organized, not just to look nice. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
a single rsync source and tar it up from there. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 19/12/2012 16:54, Brian Dolbec wrote: And YES Diego, it won't be /var/portage or /var/repositories, we heard you. Thanks, it's appreciated :) -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
No /var/gentoo. No /var/repositories. /var/db/gentoo, /var/db/repositories, /var/cache/portage ... as long as Zac is fine with one whatever, but let's not invent any new top-level. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:20

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
uses default cflags? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
there. Although I'm more for /var/cache/portage myself, as both distfiles and tree can be re-generated. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 17/12/2012 11:33, Sven Eden wrote: on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use - march=native, -O2 and -ggdb. That's -ggdb that increases the size. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
cataylist. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
to make USE=debug provide debug information rather than debug codepaths. Also the culprit is again -ggdb rather than -g. Which makes now interesting for somebody to test what webkit-gtk requires, memory-wise, with just -g rather than -ggdb. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
would still think they are cache. I can re-download Oracle's JRE binaries; Portage's copy is a cache because I don't need to back it up. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
it to the user. And yes I also agree that -ggdb makes more sense. I'll write something about it later on I guess. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 17/12/2012 13:42, Ulrich Mueller wrote: If we change the location, can we then move distfiles to some place outside of the tree? Something like: /var/cache/portage /var/cache/distfiles What I do on my systems is /var/cache/portage/tree /var/cache/portage/distfiles -- Diego Elio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
upstreams doesn't distribute them anymore at all. In which case you should keep them somewhere safer anyway, which is what I do for that kind of files. Remember that eclean acts on distfiles as well. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
into the rootfs for the laptops. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
the syncing/handling is done is a nightmare. If we conflate the issue, we can stop discussing as we're never ever going to go anywhere. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
leave it at that. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
... Any other suggestions on where to place it? And please don't say /var/lib because that would usually be backed up. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
just like NIH, seriously. Somebody already proposed /var/db — that probably makes more sense if you want to go that route, although I wouldn't put distfiles or packages there. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Permission to add a dummy package in tree

2012-12-12 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 12/12/2012 19:07, Theo Chatzimichos wrote: It would be preferred to move that package in tree though. I don't like it. Please use an overlay to test this kind of stuff, thanks. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] borked release media

2012-12-09 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
are using, right? I wouldn't say we have any problem with that. Fabio already got Sabayon to support the shim. The only problem is that we'd have to provide a shim binary that _is_ signed, rather than building it from source, but I don't see it as a mayor problem myself. -- Diego Elio Pettenò

Re: [gentoo-dev] borked release media

2012-12-09 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
, this looks like it's going to be a world full of pain. Again I don't think we have to go there. Also the title of the threads is now completely misleading so let's stop here, k? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] OK to unmask icu-50?

2012-12-07 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
it ;) Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.orgwrote: # Tomáš Chvátal scarabeus@ (04 Nov 2012) # Masked for testing with gcc-4.7 and to verify reverse deps dev-libs/icu-49.9.1 I

Proxy maintainers in metadata.xml (was Re: [gentoo-dev] introduce a soft-limit policy for changing other developers ebuilds)

2012-12-04 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
on this it would benefit everyone. Or maybe we can just agree that common sense rules all, and we always set the proxied maintainer as assignee, and the proxy maintainer as CC.. because, you know, that's the only way a proxy maintainer can close/change a bug at all. -- Diego Elio Pettenò

Re: Proxy maintainers in metadata.xml (was Re: [gentoo-dev] introduce a soft-limit policy for changing other developers ebuilds)

2012-12-04 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
is not developer - this would never confuse scripts for automated bug filing Yes if you notice I usually go around changing the order if I find the order not matching the instruction, as the output of Portage, and thus my script, use the first as assignee and the rest as CC. -- Diego Elio Pettenò

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
are a pain for maintainers and users alike. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
sysadmin that thinks he can run Gentoo in production and can't even see what the updates are. So please drop it. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
crashing, and requiring manual intervention to get rid of the new libraries and downgrade? Of course it's not my call, but my suggestion is forget about split packages. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
can repeat it 20 times and waste our time 20 times, or you can get the clue, and see if someone else agrees with your or not. The only thing that bothers me right now is that I'm not allowed to just plonkfile you, but I'm very tempted to. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
it would be a revision bump — and that should still give us time enough for this to hit before LibreOffice. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some packages up for grabs

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
This one I'll take care of (I'm already in metadata). -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
-- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
a scenario that you find yourself into often .. you should consider changing habits.. drastically. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
USE=-minimal to USE=-server means that _you're losing your server_. Robin, how would you feel about that? It would also solve the issue of USE=cxx depending on USE=!minimal right now (for not really any good reason). -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
sure it's blank, because people point them at their groin and shoot. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: intel-sdp.eclass add USE=examples doc

2012-11-27 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: intel-sdp.eclass add USE=examples doc

2012-11-27 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
to build. We have INSTALL_MASK and FEATURES=nodoc if you don't want the documentation, after all. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: proposal for consistency between {RUBY,PYTHON,PHP}_TARGETS

2012-11-26 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
. There are a lot of package names not matching a command name and it's not a problem either. It is a problem if that means having to change hundres of packages, three eclasses, and every developer's configuration. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat

2012-11-26 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposal for consistency between {RUBY,PYTHON,PHP}_TARGETS

2012-11-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
case that has been proven not happening in our world. Especially since we were the first (and not even with ruby-ng, the syntax has been the same for years, starting with ruby16). -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposal for consistency between {RUBY,PYTHON,PHP}_TARGETS

2012-11-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
. And the Ruby syntax has been devised to suit the _installed commands_ for the most part: ruby18 and ruby19 are _the commands you run_. We're not going to change it just because. So stop trying to use us as an example. Thank you very much, -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposal for consistency between {RUBY,PYTHON,PHP}_TARGETS

2012-11-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
because. So, once again, please leave us alone. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
to hear we're now addressing the problem from the technical prospective. Thanks Rich, -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Copyright issues (Was: udev-ng?)

2012-11-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
as you seem to expect, which yes, is appalling. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Copyright issues (Was: udev-ng?)

2012-11-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
WTFPL came up to be. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Copyright issues (Was: udev-ng?)

2012-11-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
for free, if not try asking FSFe, I know they have a legal counsel office. Or do you think that Sun/Oracle and Google refuse to get people working on their project from Europe? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Copyright issues (Was: udev-ng?)

2012-11-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
case you're losing your author's rights, but you're giving the company the ability to do what they want with the code. Again, this should be handled through the Foundation, so ask the Trustees or if you don't want to, ask FSFe or SFLC. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
, and only crowd while still not becoming laughing stock. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
, the need has long past. Nobody has ever provided a valid reason for using sep. /usr in the ML either. Ibidem. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
- /. To me, I don't care. I haven't even used /boot in years. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
on bitbucket) People _are_ laughing at it. On G+, on Twitter, I suppose identi.ca and IRC as well. But yes, many more can't understand that... and neither do I. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
of the Gentoo is rice fame? Do we want to go back to that? _I_ don't think so. So yes, the social platforms matter and are our problem. And it appals me that a member of the council can't see that. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reminder: open season on robbat2's packages

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 18/11/2012 03:11, Robin H. Johnson wrote: net-libs/libmonetra Maybe time to get rid of this one? https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341721 -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
where openrc starts udev up before localmount has run, and then things fall apart. I honestly can't remember if pci.ids was ever in /etc — I always knew it in /usr/share/misc... -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
new data to the master databases since I end up often enough having some extra gadget around... (If you're thinking of replacing pci/usb ids with a formatted complex database, yai! Finally you guys followed my suggestion from 2008 ;)). /off topic -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
to shut your mouth? It might not be the most tactful way to say it, but the more you write, the more Gentoo as a whole project is looking like a circus... the AGILE bullshit was really the last straw for me trying to keep quiet... -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
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Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
with the result. Then keep being happy for the result, but leave it to someone else to speak. Because Robin is not making us looking like a bunch of idiots, you are, with your replies. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
please keep ryao away from the keyboard. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
of the Linux code. Most people don't even know that, and I'm fine with that. Sometimes you do shit because you feel like doing it, and sometimes it brings you results, other times it brings you nothing... it's just shit you're doing, which is fine but makes you neither bad nor good. -- Diego Elio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Additional USE_EXPAND variables: E_MODULES and E_MODULES_CONF

2012-11-15 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/11/2012 11:45, Thomas Sachau wrote: ok, so what about ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES as USE_EXPANDED var? LGTM -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] fixing dev-libs/icu c++11 bustage, testers wanted

2012-11-15 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
soon as the current one is done (libav-9). Sounds good! It's setting up... it takes a while because something was bringing in 49 even though the tinderbox has 50 unmasked... that's never good. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] fixing dev-libs/icu c++11 bustage, testers wanted

2012-11-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
this is still under the idea that C++11 support is kept _disabled_ for now. Anyway I'll run an icu tinderbox soon as the current one is done (libav-9). -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-05 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
the whole tinderbox works. I suggest you read the two posts I wrote on the topic, which will form a basis for the documentation of the tinderbox: http://goo.gl/SM9Rp http://goo.gl/SF0Dz -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-05 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
that you're sure it's aligned with the rest of the tree, and it can be tested, and you don't have to guess where a package is coming from. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-05 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
for, please. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-05 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
(and should be tested) together, something that's easier done from a staging overlay. It's actually easier done by package.mask as Ian already pointed out. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 31/10/2012 23:13, Graham Murray wrote: Though is it not normally a reasonable assumption that the library consumers will be built with the same or later compiler version as the library? In which case it does no harm. Not really, it's not. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
is not especially excellent. It's not a shortcoming as much as an intentional design. So thank you very, much stop second guessing me. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
that your design can be made even more useful, if only for others, in ways you didn't think of yourself. See what I wrote above. If you don't understand _why_ I'm avoiding overlays with reason, then I'm seriously wasting my time responding to you. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/boost: boost-1.46.1-r1.ebuild metadata.xml boost-1.49.0-r1.ebuild boost-1.51.0-r1.ebuild ChangeLog boost-1.47.0.ebuild boost-1.35.0-

2012-11-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
to track down Internal Compiler Errors in two dozens packages, or on one, even if it takes slightly longer when it breaks compatibility? (And almost never it takes _that_ long anyway.) I would definitely prefer the one. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Documenting touching of arch profiles' files

2012-11-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/11/2012 16:47, Robin H. Johnson wrote: I'm going to put the following masks in for the above: If you're already doing the job would you mind just masking the use flag globally, and not just for mysql/mariadb? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
into p.mask; if _all_ packages fail to build because the API is totally broken and nobody fixed it, it'll just add to the number of open bugs I have. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Merging the devrel handbook into the devmanual

2012-10-31 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 31/10/2012 05:39, Michael Palimaka wrote: In bug #304435[1], hwoarang suggested merging the devrel handbook[2] into the devmanual[3]. +1 it was on my TODO list for over two years at this point. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/boost: boost-1.46.1-r1.ebuild metadata.xml boost-1.49.0-r1.ebuild boost-1.51.0-r1.ebuild ChangeLog boost-1.47.0.ebuild boost-1.35.0-r2.e

2012-10-31 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
it _thoroughly_ unfortunately, because of the stupid testsuite that goes nowhere and so on ... but I made sure that an update on a stable system does not change links to libraries and headers, and now I'm running tinderboxing for both ~arch, masked and stable.) -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc-2.16 moving to ~arch

2012-10-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
reason. Upstream is moving on to new versions, we're behind one major and one minor right now. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=gnutls-3 -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc-2.16 moving to ~arch

2012-10-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 30/10/2012 08:21, Rich Freeman wrote: That might warrant a news item. Sure, they're ~arch, but they're not going to know about this unless somebody tells them. Is it just my impression or did you just volunteer? ;) -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: glibc-2.16 moving to ~arch

2012-10-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
it. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Dropping slotted boost

2012-10-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
it and that's about it? Thanks, -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

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