If it was something feasible to do, it would have been done already.
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Hi there!
Long time ago I discovered that many language
the glibc-2.17 one.)
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Rails into account, as
right now it doesn't. I know because it was trying to get an ebuild for
Typo that I came to install my own blog (instead of using Gentoo Infra's
b2evo) and thus create the monstrosity that you all know nowadays.
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keyword, but the license incompatibility.
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On 31/12/2012 15:17, Ben de Groot wrote:
Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
forward and improved it this past year?
Have we?
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It doesn't — I guess gdm should have used [consolekit?,systemd(-)?].
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Just bumped into something I haven't encountered before. Running
On 31/12/2012 17:22, Roy Bamford wrote:
I'm older and more cynical than most on this list. In my mind,
improvement means change but change is not always improvement.
Thank you.
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That would be much more effective than a policy that may be
(accidentally) ignored.
+1
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need to know to start it up anyway, so it should be fine with
a default-off.
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol
with the new API.
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On 24/12/2012 10:08, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
/var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR
Maybe /var/spool/binpkgs ?
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On 24/12/2012 14:32, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer
queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing.
Not sure how /var/cache fits for binpkgs though, tbh.
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not get on with /srv right now please.
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On 24/12/2012 20:08, Mike Frysinger wrote:
i.e. saying we should get rid of gen_usr_ldscript and use --libdir=/lib
makes absolutely no sense. it's just begging for people to screw things up
constantly and waste developer time for 0 gain.
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documentation on where to find the upstream documentation?
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this
usually ends up being quite simple.
I get to speak about that as somebody who retired, and was then
re-instated. Going through the cycles was less bothersome than just
growing the motivation to get back to Gentoo, so I can't see the point.
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On 20/12/2012 17:16, Michael Mol wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
/var/db/portage/repositories/{non-cache,repo,names,go,here}
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in say /var/lib/licenses
or similar?
Why not in their own /var/db/pkg then? And +1 on this, it's something I
was wondering myself some time ago.
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properly instead of how it looks cooler.
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On 19/12/2012 14:03, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote:
But, anyway, I think, /var/repositories/gentoo is very very nice idea ;)
I'm going to repeat myself until this is shot down entirely.
We're not going to create a new top-level directory in /var. Get over
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allocation requirements for the tree compared to
distfiles, and I guess that if we put the tree there we could gain
something even for /var/db/pkg by splitting it.
Tree hierarchies are there to make things more easily organized, not
just to look nice.
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a single rsync source and tar it up from there.
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On 19/12/2012 16:54, Brian Dolbec wrote:
And YES Diego, it won't be /var/portage or /var/repositories, we heard
you.
Thanks, it's appreciated :)
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No /var/gentoo. No /var/repositories.
/var/db/gentoo, /var/db/repositories, /var/cache/portage ... as long as Zac
is fine with one whatever, but let's not invent any new top-level.
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uses default cflags?
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there.
Although I'm more for /var/cache/portage myself, as both distfiles and
tree can be re-generated.
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On 17/12/2012 11:33, Sven Eden wrote:
on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
That's -ggdb that increases the size.
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cataylist.
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to make USE=debug provide debug information rather
than debug codepaths.
Also the culprit is again -ggdb rather than -g.
Which makes now interesting for somebody to test what webkit-gtk
requires, memory-wise, with just -g rather than -ggdb.
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would still think they are cache. I can re-download Oracle's JRE
binaries; Portage's copy is a cache because I don't need to back it up.
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it to the user.
And yes I also agree that -ggdb makes more sense.
I'll write something about it later on I guess.
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On 17/12/2012 13:42, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
If we change the location, can we then move distfiles to some place
outside of the tree? Something like:
/var/cache/portage
/var/cache/distfiles
What I do on my systems is
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upstreams doesn't
distribute them anymore at all.
In which case you should keep them somewhere safer anyway, which is what
I do for that kind of files.
Remember that eclean acts on distfiles as well.
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into the rootfs for the laptops.
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the syncing/handling is done is a nightmare.
If we conflate the issue, we can stop discussing as we're never ever
going to go anywhere.
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leave it at that.
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Any other suggestions on where to place it? And please don't say
/var/lib because that would usually be backed up.
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just like NIH, seriously.
Somebody already proposed /var/db — that probably makes more sense if
you want to go that route, although I wouldn't put distfiles or packages
there.
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On 12/12/2012 19:07, Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
It would be preferred to move that package in tree though.
I don't like it. Please use an overlay to test this kind of stuff, thanks.
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are using, right?
I wouldn't say we have any problem with that. Fabio already got Sabayon
to support the shim. The only problem is that we'd have to provide a
shim binary that _is_ signed, rather than building it from source, but I
don't see it as a mayor problem myself.
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, this looks like it's
going to be a world full of pain. Again I don't think we have to go there.
Also the title of the threads is now completely misleading so let's stop
here, k?
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it ;)
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
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# Tomáš Chvátal scarabeus@ (04 Nov 2012)
# Masked for testing with gcc-4.7 and to verify reverse deps
dev-libs/icu-49.9.1
I
on this it would benefit everyone.
Or maybe we can just agree that common sense rules all, and we always
set the proxied maintainer as assignee, and the proxy maintainer as CC..
because, you know, that's the only way a proxy maintainer can
close/change a bug at all.
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is not developer - this would never confuse
scripts for automated bug filing
Yes if you notice I usually go around changing the order if I find the
order not matching the instruction, as the output of Portage, and thus
my script, use the first as assignee and the rest as CC.
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are a pain for maintainers and users alike.
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sysadmin that thinks he can run Gentoo in production and can't even see
what the updates are. So please drop it.
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crashing, and requiring manual
intervention to get rid of the new libraries and downgrade?
Of course it's not my call, but my suggestion is forget about split
packages.
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can repeat it 20 times
and waste our time 20 times, or you can get the clue, and see if someone
else agrees with your or not.
The only thing that bothers me right now is that I'm not allowed to just
plonkfile you, but I'm very tempted to.
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it would be a revision bump — and that should still
give us time enough for this to hit before LibreOffice.
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This one I'll take care of (I'm already in metadata).
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a scenario that you find yourself into often .. you
should consider changing habits.. drastically.
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USE=-minimal to
USE=-server means that _you're losing your server_.
Robin, how would you feel about that? It would also solve the issue of
USE=cxx depending on USE=!minimal right now (for not really any good
reason).
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sure it's blank, because people point them at their groin and shoot.
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to build.
We have INSTALL_MASK and FEATURES=nodoc if you don't want the
documentation, after all.
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. There are a lot of package names not matching a command name
and it's not a problem either.
It is a problem if that means having to change hundres of packages,
three eclasses, and every developer's configuration.
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case that has been proven not happening in our world.
Especially since we were the first (and not even with ruby-ng, the
syntax has been the same for years, starting with ruby16).
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And the Ruby syntax has been devised to suit the _installed commands_
for the most part: ruby18 and ruby19 are _the commands you run_.
We're not going to change it just because. So stop trying to use us as
an example.
Thank you very much,
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because.
So, once again, please leave us alone.
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to hear we're now addressing the problem from the technical
prospective.
Thanks Rich,
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as you seem to expect,
which yes, is appalling.
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WTFPL came up to be.
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for free, if not try asking FSFe, I know they have a legal
counsel office.
Or do you think that Sun/Oracle and Google refuse to get people working
on their project from Europe?
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case you're losing
your author's rights, but you're giving the company the ability to do
what they want with the code.
Again, this should be handled through the Foundation, so ask the
Trustees or if you don't want to, ask FSFe or SFLC.
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, and only crowd while still not becoming laughing stock.
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, the need has long past.
Nobody has ever provided a valid reason for using sep. /usr in the ML
either.
Ibidem.
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- /.
To me, I don't care. I haven't even used /boot in years.
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on bitbucket)
People _are_ laughing at it. On G+, on Twitter, I suppose identi.ca and
IRC as well.
But yes, many more can't understand that... and neither do I.
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of the Gentoo is rice fame? Do we
want to go back to that? _I_ don't think so.
So yes, the social platforms matter and are our problem. And it appals
me that a member of the council can't see that.
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On 18/11/2012 03:11, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
net-libs/libmonetra
Maybe time to get rid of this one?
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341721
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where openrc starts udev up before localmount
has run, and then things fall apart.
I honestly can't remember if pci.ids was ever in /etc — I always knew it
in /usr/share/misc...
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databases since I end up often enough having some extra gadget around...
(If you're thinking of replacing pci/usb ids with a formatted complex
database, yai! Finally you guys followed my suggestion from 2008 ;)).
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to shut your mouth? It might not be the
most tactful way to say it, but the more you write, the more Gentoo as a
whole project is looking like a circus... the AGILE bullshit was
really the last straw for me trying to keep quiet...
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with the result.
Then keep being happy for the result, but leave it to someone else to
speak. Because Robin is not making us looking like a bunch of idiots,
you are, with your replies.
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keep ryao away from the keyboard.
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of the Linux code.
Most people don't even know that, and I'm fine with that.
Sometimes you do shit because you feel like doing it, and sometimes it
brings you results, other times it brings you nothing... it's just shit
you're doing, which is fine but makes you neither bad nor good.
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On 15/11/2012 11:45, Thomas Sachau wrote:
ok, so what about ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES as USE_EXPANDED var?
LGTM
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soon as the current one is done
(libav-9).
Sounds good!
It's setting up... it takes a while because something was bringing in 49
even though the tinderbox has 50 unmasked... that's never good.
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this is still under the idea that C++11 support is kept
_disabled_ for now.
Anyway I'll run an icu tinderbox soon as the current one is done (libav-9).
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the whole tinderbox works. I
suggest you read the two posts I wrote on the topic, which will form a
basis for the documentation of the tinderbox:
http://goo.gl/SM9Rp
http://goo.gl/SF0Dz
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that you're sure it's aligned with the rest of the
tree, and it can be tested, and you don't have to guess where a package
is coming from.
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for, please.
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(and should be tested) together, something
that's easier done from a staging overlay.
It's actually easier done by package.mask as Ian already pointed out.
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On 31/10/2012 23:13, Graham Murray wrote:
Though is it not normally a reasonable assumption that the library
consumers will be built with the same or later compiler version as the
library? In which case it does no harm.
Not really, it's not.
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is not especially excellent.
It's not a shortcoming as much as an intentional design. So thank you
very, much stop second guessing me.
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that your design can be made even
more useful, if only for others, in ways you didn't think of yourself.
See what I wrote above. If you don't understand _why_ I'm avoiding
overlays with reason, then I'm seriously wasting my time responding to you.
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to track down Internal Compiler Errors in two
dozens packages, or on one, even if it takes slightly longer when it
breaks compatibility? (And almost never it takes _that_ long anyway.) I
would definitely prefer the one.
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On 01/11/2012 16:47, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
I'm going to put the following masks in for the above:
If you're already doing the job would you mind just masking the use flag
globally, and not just for mysql/mariadb?
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into p.mask; if _all_ packages
fail to build because the API is totally broken and nobody fixed it,
it'll just add to the number of open bugs I have.
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On 31/10/2012 05:39, Michael Palimaka wrote:
In bug #304435[1], hwoarang suggested merging the devrel handbook[2]
into the devmanual[3].
+1 it was on my TODO list for over two years at this point.
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it _thoroughly_ unfortunately, because of the
stupid testsuite that goes nowhere and so on ... but I made sure that an
update on a stable system does not change links to libraries and
headers, and now I'm running tinderboxing for both ~arch, masked and
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reason. Upstream is moving on to new versions, we're behind one
major and one minor right now.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=gnutls-3
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On 30/10/2012 08:21, Rich Freeman wrote:
That might warrant a news item. Sure, they're ~arch, but they're not
going to know about this unless somebody tells them.
Is it just my impression or did you just volunteer? ;)
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it and that's about it?
Thanks,
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