[gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Andreas Vinsander
Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Andrea Barisani
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: > Hi! > > Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the > list... is that an intentional change? > > I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. > > /Andreas > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Holly Bostick
Andrea Barisani wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Andrea Barisani
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:44:12PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: > > It's a simple question: "The list behaviour has changed; is it going to > change back, or not?" It's not going to change back unless big problems related to this are detected/reported. This will also be set on all other gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Arnstein Oseland
Andrea Barisani wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Holly Bostick
Arnstein Oseland wrote: Andrea Barisani wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread John Myers
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 09:00, Holly Bostick wrote: > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > Which mail client has that? KMail does. If you press 'L' on a list message, it does reply-to-list. -- t3h 3l3ctr0n3rd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Supermarket Deli Clerk and

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Andrea Barisani
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 06:00:40PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: > > > > > >Well, Thunderbird only supports "Reply" and "Reply All". If I do "Reply > >All" I have to manually intervene and remove the sender's mail-address. > > Don't forget also changing CC: for the list to To: and the fact that

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Mike Williams
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:21, John Myers wrote: > > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > > Which mail client has that? > > KMail does. If you press 'L' on a list message, it does reply-to-list. KMail also seems to get the reply to address right anyway. (I

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Holly Bostick
Andrea Barisani wrote: and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Ge

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread James Hiscock
> That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. ...or - at the very least - we'd have a quick way to answer folks with questions about this sort of thing... ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Collins Richey
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:52:08 +, Mike Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:21, John Myers wrote: > > > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > > > Which mail client has that? > > > > KMail does. If you press 'L' on a list message

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Mike Noble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Original Message Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:32:23 -0800 From: Mike Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
> > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > Which mail client has that? kmail. If you hit the reply button and hold it (or hit the right key to set it directly) you can choose from four forms of reply. Reply, Reply to the sender, reply to all, reply to the the m

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 11:49 am, Andrea Barisani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sick and tired of witnessing how difficult it is to reasonably > change a few headers in this mailing lists. While I acknolewdge the fact > that it's best to warn users before doing something like this I also

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 12:31 pm, Mike Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The best thing that the gentoo server could do would be that every mail > that comes into the server re-writes the Reply-To so that it always > sends mail back to the list. No, that's not the best thing. It break em

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote: Don't forget also changing CC: for the list to To: and the fact that anyone who doesn't feel like removing those additional entries will double my incoming mail for any thread I have responded to (because I'm in the CC so I get it personally, and I get i

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Christopher Fisk wrote: I agree, in fact, I will probably end up replying to the wrong person on some threads, which can become annoying. But that said, if you have access to procmail you can use the following recipe to keep from getting duplicate messages: :0 Wh: msgid.l

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Willie Wong
Not a direct response to Chris's post, but... If you really dislike getting duplicates AND believe that all mail should be directed and the list rather than to you personally, there is NOTHING to stop you from adding the Reply-To header yourself. =) I have a hook in mutt that does just that

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Karsten Baumgarten
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Holly Bostick wrote: | Andrea Barisani wrote: | |> and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no |> time to |> discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. |> | | Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:17:19 +0100, Karsten Baumgarten wrote: > Even though Andrea had (was forced?) to revert the changes for the > "reasons" mentioned in this thread, here's the simple solution for > Thunderbird users: Instead of using "Reply to sender" or "Reply to all" > simply use the "Edit a

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Bill Davidson
On 19:03 Wed 23 Feb , Holly Bostick wrote: > Andrea Barisani wrote: > > >and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time > >to > >discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. > > > > Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs pa

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Holly Bostick
Karsten Baumgarten wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Holly Bostick wrote: | Andrea Barisani wrote: | |> and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no |> time to |> discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. |> | | Anybody have the time and kn

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:54:51 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > > No, that's not the best thing. It break emails that use the reply-to > header for it's original (and standards-compliant) behavior. It may be > easy, but that doesn't make it right. > > Please read, if you haven't alread

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread W.Kenworthy
Oh #$#R*&Y not again, please check the (ancient) archives on why this list was changed from the behaviour that you seem to have initiated without consultation with the list. In short: 1) many replies to the list (and the expertise it represented) were lost as most people never bothered to navigate

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 06:17 pm, Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:54:51 -0600 > > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > No, that's not the best thing. It break emails that use the reply-to > > header for it's original (and standards-compliant) behavior. It may > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken

2005-02-25 Thread gottlieb
At Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:00:40 +0100 Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had > that. Which mail client has that? Emacs/gnus has this f (followup) or F (followup, include original). Both are located just to the right of the third h

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2005-02-23 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:04:30PM -0500, Dennis Taylor wrote: > Go ahead, if you like preaching to the choir. :-) In the land > of Perfect, there would be no Windoze, but I don't live in > perfect. > > I said long ago that Norton Anti-virus is not very effective > because it does not detect windo

RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Taylor
Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Andrea Barisani wrote: > and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to > discuss this and tell people

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Jeff Smelser
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 12:28 pm, Dennis Taylor wrote: > acronym http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=MUA pgpGca5dY10aN.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Holly Bostick
Dennis Taylor wrote: Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been out of circulation for a few years could find out what things like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me clueless. Mail User Agent. If

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Steven Susbauer
-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Andrea Barisani wrote: and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page about basic MUA configuration fo

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Holly Bostick
Holly Bostick wrote: Dennis Taylor wrote: Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been out of circulation for a few years could find out what things like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me clueless.

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Jean-Francois Gagnon Laporte
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:28:03 -0500, Dennis Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been > out of circulation for a few years could find out what things > like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember > from years ago, but I have re

RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread Dennis Taylor wrote: > Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been > out of circulation for a few years could find out what things > like MUA mean?

RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dennis Taylor wrote: > Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been > out of circulation for a few years could find out what things > like MUA mean? GOGLE. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dennis Taylor wrote: > (whether I like it or not, no MS flames please) Why shouldn't we flame the easiest virii target on the planet? ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Taylor
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dennis Taylor wrote: > (whether I like it or not, no MS flames please) Why shouldn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Steven Susbauer
many that leave me clueless. -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Andrea Barisani wrote: and probably leaving the old setup is the best

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2005-02-23 Thread Dave Nebinger
This is a perfect example of why the 'reply to' thing was originally broken, recently fixed, and today reset back to the broken state. One person posts an OT message that is quite easily resolved by doing a simple google search. But since the 'reply to' is broken again, we get 7 different replies

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2005-02-23 Thread Holly Bostick
Dave Nebinger wrote: This is a perfect example of why the 'reply to' thing was originally broken, recently fixed, and today reset back to the broken state. One person posts an OT message that is quite easily resolved by doing a simple google search. But since the 'reply to' is broken again, we get

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2005-02-23 Thread Mike Noble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Holly Bostick wrote: | | Yes, but the point of the list is to tell the list, not that one person | alone. Had all 7 replies been to the OP, then no one else who wanted the | answer, now or in the future, would know what the answer was. | | In which case

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2005-02-23 Thread Eric S. Johansson
Mike Noble wrote: Holly is so correct here, all replies should go back to the list. If you want to make a reply to the specific person, you know that you want to change the behavior and you make a conscious effort to change the the address to which the message is being sent. I understand what you

RE: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-23 Thread Dave Nebinger
> Yes, but the point of the list is to tell the list, not that one person > alone. Had all 7 replies been to the OP, then no one else who wanted the > answer, now or in the future, would know what the answer was. The broken 'reply to' means that you don't have to think about where your replies go,

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2005-02-23 Thread Peter Karlsson
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote: This is a perfect example of why the 'reply to' thing was originally broken, recently fixed, and today reset back to the broken state. One person posts an OT message that is quite easily resolved by doing a simple google search. But since the 'reply to' is

RE: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-24 Thread Dave Nebinger
> I know that today I sent two messages back to the people who originally > posted when I really wanted it to go back to the list. Yes I was not > thinking and just did a reply (which should have gone to the list). That's just it - the thought process should go into which messages go to the list,

RE: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread

2005-02-24 Thread William Kenworthy
Wrong, a reply that does not go back to the list is knowledge lost to the community ... BillK On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 08:28 -0500, Dave Nebinger wrote: > > I know that today I sent two messages back to the people who originally > > posted when I really wanted it to go back to the list. Yes I was

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2005-02-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 24 February 2005 07:43 am, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wrong, a reply that does not go back to the list is knowledge lost to > the community ... No, it's not. You can *always* send a message again if it was supposed to go to the list. You *can't* retract a message

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2005-02-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:08:21 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > No, it's not. You can *always* send a message again if it was supposed > to go to the list. You *can't* retract a message if it was not supposed > to go to the list. If you are going to send potentially offensive, libellous or

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2005-02-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 24 February 2005 10:01 am, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:08:21 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > No, it's not. You can *always* send a message again if it was > > supposed to go to the list. You *can't* retract a message if it was > > not su

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2005-02-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:23:39 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > My statement does not concern offensive, libellous, or embarrassing > emails at all. :P My statement concerns the fictional "loss of > information" associated with not sending to the list. It is not fictional. if the list has

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2005-02-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 24 February 2005 11:10 am, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Next you'll be claiming it doesn't matter whether you use vi or emacs > ;-) Let's not get into religion on this list. ;) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy -- gentoo-user@

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2005-02-25 Thread Andreas Vinsander
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Thursday 24 February 2005 11:10 am, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Next you'll be claiming it doesn't matter whether you use vi or emacs ;-) Let's not get into religion on this list. ;) Hehe, I use both... Wonder where that takes me... /Andreas -- gento