Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 09:31:21 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:18:43PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote > > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate > > > > with one another and removing it c

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:54 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: what _is_ that?! (Don't tell me, if we ignore it maybe it will go away) On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:2

[gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts

2010-02-11 Thread Damian
Hello, I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd (via /etc/init.d/mpd) mpdscrible is started as well. What is the best way to achieve this? Thanks in advance, Damian.

Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hello, I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd (via /etc/init.d/mpd) mpdscrible is started as well. What is the best way to achieve this? Thanks in advance, Damian. I found this by looking in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: > On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> ... > >> your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. > >> > >> start here: > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) > >> > >> and then proceed with the li

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > >> OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now > >> understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memo

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another > > desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). > > yeah good luck with that. Bec

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote > I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files > so that you can find them easier than typing a search term & clicking > on the correct result. You just don't want to try it because your > current methods are "g

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote > > > I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files > > so that you can find them easier than typing a search term & clicking > > on the correct result. You just don'

Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts

2010-02-11 Thread Damian
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Dale wrote: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: >> >> Hello, >> >> I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd >> (via /etc/init.d/mpd)  mpdscrible is started as well. What is the best >> way to achieve this?

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. > > Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if > Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the > linux developer community, a

Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hello, I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd (via /etc/init.d/mpd) mpdscr

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another > > > desktop manager (even after being

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > > > > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good

[gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?

2010-02-11 Thread Walt Rarus
I have a java (clojure, actually) program which is invoked via a bash script. When the script is invoked from the shell, the java program always runs and succeeds. However, when the script is invoked via a cron job, the java program always runs and crashes with a null pointer exception. Any though

[gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE="sun-bcla-j2ee" to /etc/make.conf. Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These

Re: [gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?

2010-02-11 Thread Alex Schuster
Walt Rarus writes: > I have a java (clojure, actually) program which is invoked via a bash > script. When the script is invoked from the shell, the java program > always runs and succeeds. However, when the script is invoked via a > cron job, the java program always runs and crashes with a null po

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010,

Re: [gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:40:09 Walt Rarus wrote: > I have a java (clojure, actually) program which is invoked via a bash > script. When the script is invoked from the shell, the java program always > runs and succeeds. However, when the script is invoked via a cron job, the > java program al

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: > How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? > > I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords > and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE="sun-bcla-j2ee" to /etc/make.conf. dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* > > Below is

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: > Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I > can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be > times when I can but it is rare. > > I just don't get this thing that indexing is a resource hog.

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: >> How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? >> >> I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords >> and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE="sun-bcla-j2ee" to /etc/make.conf. > > > dev-java

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: > >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/11/2010 7:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: And if I really wanted a glitzy, bloated, slow-as-molasses, pointy-clicky-touchy-feely-oowee-GUI, I would've stayed with Windows, thank you. I started with Blckbox and am now on ICEWM. So, to summarize: * You don't like modern desktop environment desi

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:56:51 dhk wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: > >> How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? > >> > >> I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords > >> and tried adding ACCE

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried addin

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is rare.

Re: [gentoo-user] New application: app-portage/kportagetray

2010-02-11 Thread Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas
Hello fellow, Finally KPortageTray was ported to KDE 4.4. You can install it from kde-orverlay (app-portage/kportagetray). Regards, -- Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas Control and Automation Engineer Gentoo Foundation Member Em Qui 07 Jan 2010, às 22:11:10, Neil Bothwick escreveu: > On Thu, 7 Jan 201

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Alex Schuster
Dale writes: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Whoops? > Have you synced lately? According to mine it is not masked or > keyworded and should install without changing anything. I synced last > night and I get this: You're probably running an x86 system, whil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Well, in 4.3.x I eliminated it after the first try, because it took so many > resources of my machine, that I could not use it for something else. So, you > mean, in 4.4.x it takes only a 10% of the resources it took with 4.3.x? LOL, > althou

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
Dale wrote: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: >>> How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/port

Re: [gentoo-user] Broadcom firmware doesn't work with 2.6.32-r4

2010-02-11 Thread Kaddeh
Check out http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304265 and then update to 2.6.32-r5 Cheers Kad On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: > Hi collective, > > I just upgraded from linux-2.6.32-tuxonice-r1 to r4 and my network card > no longer works. It is "Broadcom Corporation Net

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:31:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use > > interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not > > necessarily everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to > > tell programs when your Interne

Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:15:04 +0100, Damian wrote: > > I found this by looking in the cups init script.  It should help. > > > > depend() { > >    use net > >    need avahi-daemon dbus > >    before nfs > >    after logger > > } > I've tried putting "after mpdscribble" without success. Also the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use > find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody > else's desktop. Is this ignorance or FUD? It must be FUD because it has already been stated coun

Re: [gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:35:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > You must set up your own environment in your script run from cron. For > example, you are likely missing JAVA_HOME and friends. "source /etc/profile" at the top of the script often works. -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succee

[gentoo-user] in-memory database

2010-02-11 Thread Hung Dang
Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance Hung

Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database

2010-02-11 Thread Alexander
On Thursday 11 February 2010 20:27:15 Hung Dang wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. > I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any > in-memory package. Any suggestion? > > Thanks in advance > Hung > What kind

[gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread ubiquitous1980
With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / unreadable: for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry >> found; done the same of output for ls is similar: -k?x?B?{U?I?3s?? ???N???Q ?ܝw?Ϭw??9c̃}}WzǸ??t Ƿ~??? ?^8?O? ?^???­?cB?f???vV?!?@ ???8%??{??8?y

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 19:58:25 ubiquitous1980 wrote: > With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / > unreadable: > > for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry >> found; done > > the same of output for ls is similar: > > -k?x?B?{U?I?3s?? > ???N???Q > ?ܝw?Ϭw?

Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database

2010-02-11 Thread Hung Dang
Hi Alexander, Thanks a lot for your quick reply. I just start my project then I might have to try some in-memory dbs and see which one is suitable for my application. Thanks Hung On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Alexander wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 20:27:15 Hung Dang wrote: > > Hi

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 18:09:33 Alex Schuster wrote: > Dale writes: > > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > Whoops? SeaMonkey. Dale has his eyes set on holding the world record to be the last KDE-3.5 user left standing with the longest continual uptime for

Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database

2010-02-11 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 11 Feb, Hung Dang wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. > I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any > in-memory package. Any suggestion? > You might use dev-db/sqlite and put its files on a tmpfs directory.

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Switch to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-Fx) and ls things there, perhaps the > garbage dumped to the screen in your for simply upset the terminal > emulation. In which case, running reset in the affected terminal should clear it. -- Neil B

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:28:55 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Dale has his eyes set on holding the world record to be the last > KDE-3.5 user left standing with the longest continual uptime for any > app from the Mozilla stable. > > This is a worthy goal. He deserves our support. Without us, the tit

Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database

2010-02-11 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > On 11 Feb, Hung Dang wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. >> I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any >> in-memory package. Any suggestion? >> > > Y

Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database

2010-02-11 Thread Ognjen Bezanov
Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 11 Feb, Hung Dang wrote: Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? You might use dev-db/sqlite and put its files on a t

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
dhk wrote: > Dale wrote: >> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: > How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? > > I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~am

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 11 February 2010 18:18:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: > perhaps the garbage dumped to the screen in your for simply upset the > terminal emulation. ...in which case, perhaps typing RESET in the terminal will help. -- Rgds Peter.

[gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Mark Knecht
Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files when making quickpkg files? Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about someone stealing them and getting access to settings, but I can see tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: > Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files > when making quickpkg files? > > Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be > a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about some

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:06:50 dhk wrote: > Another question about this. > > Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and > JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set > them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? How many users

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 21:47:33 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Switch to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-Fx) and ls things there, perhaps the > > garbage dumped to the screen in your for simply upset the terminal > > emulation. > > In which case,

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: >> Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files >> when making quickpkg files? >> >> Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: > >> Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files > >> when making quickpkg files? > >> > >> Se

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > >> Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use >> find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody >> else's desktop. > > Is this ignorance

[gentoo-user] Re: Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread walt
On 02/11/2010 12:06 PM, dhk wrote: Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? Also when starting j2ee I get the following error. # /opt/sun-j2e

Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts

2010-02-11 Thread heini
Am Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010 18:00:09 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:15:04 +0100, Damian wrote: > > > I found this by looking in the cups init script. It should help. > > > > > > depend() { > > >use net > > >need avahi-daemon dbus > > >before nfs > > >after logge

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> > On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to inclu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:55:23 +0100, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down eve

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:05:46 +0100, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 09:31:21 Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:18:43PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications t

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:06:50 dhk wrote: >> Another question about this. >> >> Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and >> JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set >> them globally for all users should they go in /et

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
walt wrote: > On 02/11/2010 12:06 PM, dhk wrote: >> >> Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and >> JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set >> them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? >> >> Also when starting j2ee I get the fol

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knec

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 23:40:37 Zeerak Waseem wrote: > True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the > mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. Sure you can choose not to have > hal/dbus/*kit, but then you also choose not to use a growing number of > apps that seem t

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:10:06 dhk wrote: > My /usr/bin/java was linked to run-java-tool, don't know what that is. > # ll /usr/bin/java > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Feb 11 11:20 /usr/bin/java -> run-java-tool That's correct. It's a man-in-the-middle thing installed by the java configurator,

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:32:44 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > In which case, running reset in the affected terminal should clear > > it. > > Every time I've tried to tell people to do that, they tell me they > can't do it because > > %#!*^ > > obviously is not a valid command. It's not, if i

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:32:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get > the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command > line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right > way automatically? You can

Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:22:50 +0100, heini wrote: > > Or you could remove mpd from the default runlevel and call both the > > init scripts from /etc/conf.d/local. > > Nope. Lookup /etc/rc.conf: I'd forgotten all about that, nice one! -- Neil Bothwick First Law of Laboratory Work: Hot glass

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get > > the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command > > line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right > > way automat

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:13:14 +0100, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 23:40:37 Zeerak Waseem wrote: True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. Sure you can choose not to have hal/dbus/*kit, but then you also choo

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:40:37 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the > mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. You're trying to assign guilt by association. They were also introduced to X, hand edited conf files and a faster desktop. Are

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:26:56 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:32:44 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > In which case, running reset in the affected terminal should clear > > > it. > > > > Every time I've tried to tell people to do that, they tell me they > > can't do it because

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:37:08 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:40:37 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. You're trying to assign guilt by association. They were also introdu

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app > communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication that is needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get > > > the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command > > > line. Where's the documen

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication th

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 12 February 2010 00:10:06 dhk wrote: > >> My /usr/bin/java was linked to run-java-tool, don't know what that is. >> # ll /usr/bin/java >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Feb 11 11:20 /usr/bin/java -> run-java-tool > > That's correct. It's a man-in-the-middle thing insta

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann > > wrote: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app > >> communication that is necessary without dbus. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:03:27 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: >> Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-ap

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:58:52 dhk wrote: > I put /usr/bin/java back the way it was. > ln -s /usr/bin/run-java-tool /usr/bin/java > > I set the CLASSPATH, got it from java-config --runtime > export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/resources.jar: > /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/l

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 01:58 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: > With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / > unreadable: > > for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry >> found; done er... you just executed everything in your home directory and piped the output to a file... I thin

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:03:27 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann > > wrote: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann > >> > >> wrote: > >> > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zee

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:56:33 Zeerak Waseem wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann > > wrote: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app > >> communication that is necessary without dbus. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread dhk
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 12 February 2010 00:58:52 dhk wrote: >> I put /usr/bin/java back the way it was. >> ln -s /usr/bin/run-java-tool /usr/bin/java >> >> I set the CLASSPATH, got it from java-config --runtime >> export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/resources.jar: >>

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 01:10:58 Zeerak Waseem wrote: > But honestly, I don't have a solution to the problem, what I can however > say is that my browser and my mail app, are pretty deft at realizing that > their attempts to access a server, are in vain, without any network > manager to te

Re: [gentoo-user] Broadcom firmware doesn't work with 2.6.32-r4

2010-02-11 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 08:48 -0800, Kaddeh wrote: > Check out http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304265 and then > update to 2.6.32-r5 thanks, that wasn't there when I started looking :) I'll see what they find (in the mean time, Go Flaky Wireless!) -- Iain Buchanan Whatever is not nailed

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:56:04 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > > One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get > > > > the buildpkg feature to inclu

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 01:18:33 Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 01:58 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: > > With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / > > unreadable: > > > > for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry >> found; done > > er... you just executed ever

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> > One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get >> > the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command >> > line. Where's the documen

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 00:21 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > oh yeah, it is just a great thing that the mail app constantly tries to reach > servers and then throws errors. Not like this needs zero cpu cycles and zero > ram. It is so much worse that the mail app knows that there is nothing t

Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> > One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get > >> > the buildpkg feature to include the configs.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Christian Apeltauer
Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + schrieb Neil Bothwick : > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find > > another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 > > years). > > It's so mandatory it takes

Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable

2010-02-11 Thread ubiquitous1980
Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 01:58 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: > >> With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / >> unreadable: >> >> for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry >> found; done >> > > er... you just executed everything in your home directory

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + > > schrieb Neil Bothwick : > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find > > > another desktop manager (even after being my p

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 00:21 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > oh yeah, it is just a great thing that the mail app constantly tries to > > reach servers and then throws errors. Not like this needs zero cpu > > cycles and zero ram. It is so much

Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thursday 11 February 2010 18:09:33 Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Whoops? SeaMonkey. Dale has his eyes set on holding the world

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:31:26 +0100, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 01:10:58 Zeerak Waseem wrote: But honestly, I don't have a solution to the problem, what I can however say is that my browser and my mail app, are pretty deft at realizing that their attempts to access a s

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:47:39 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > I'm not saying dbus is all that bad, just that it might be a bit > unnecessary for a number of users. Which to me means, that it should > be something that can be chosen, rather than something that's chosen > for you. It's not there for

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:35:10 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > Oh there's not much of a problem with dbus to be quite honest. But > that perhaps is a bit of the point, that dbus seems like it might be, > as someone else put it, a "solution-in-search-of-a-problem". Yes, it could be what one person cal

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